DC has NO chance against Jon

[Area809]

Jones was a clear winner in a competitive fight. I'm not sure why people think it was total domination. Sure DC gassed in the last two rounds but it was damn competitive in the first three rounds, even the ones Jones won. So many things can happen in a fight (like Aldo getting ko'd in 13 seconds), I wouldn't be so quick to say no chance.

 

[Pem123]

DC will beat Jones this time.

 

[Mike]

Lot of revisionist history in these threads. Clearly winning four rounds to one is a pretty dominant win. Yes the rounds were fairly close, but you don't just give close rounds to the guy clearly losing them.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Rewatched DC vs Jones and Gus both. Now commentators are saying that DC faded against Jones but proved he has a gas tank against Gus. But watching them fight that isn't true at all; DC fought a 3 rnd paced fight against Jon hoping to get the KO and to nullify the reach. He just worked his tank empty being explosive in the clinch.

Which brings me to reason he won't beat Jon. Jon completely dominated him in the clinch. DC's favorite technique, the uppercut with the right while the left pulls down on the head which worked so well against Gus, only worked a handful of times against Jon. Jon dug his head into the collar bone of DC's left side and opened up with elbows and knees. Any time he lost that position he immediately broke and covered up from DC's overhand right. DC had no answer.

TLDR
Jones beats DC in the clinch, and uses effective kicks at distance. DC has no answer to this and showed no improvement in Gus fight.

Great breakdown. A lot of truth in there.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

DC will beat Jones this time.

How?

 

[L0ki]

Lot of revisionist history in these threads. Clearly winning four rounds to one is a pretty dominant win. Yes the rounds were fairly close, but you don't just give close rounds to the guy clearly losing them.

It was clearly 3 rounds to 2.

Seen that fight a number of times and scored it 48-47 Jon each time.

 

[L0ki]

Great breakdown. A lot of truth in there.

Not really.

DC was clearly better than Jon in the clinch. That's where Cormier was most effective. Almost every time they clinched DC would and X amount of uppercuts.

DC only needs to modify very little to get a UD against Jon.

 

[Mike]

It was clearly 3 rounds to 2.

Seen that fight a number of times and scored it 48-47 Jon each time.

That's cool. A ton of people had it 49 to 46

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Not really.

DC was clearly better than Jon in the clinch. That's where Cormier was most effective. Almost every time they clinched DC would and X amount of uppercuts.

DC only needs to modify very little to get a UD against Jon.

Lol, Jon also took DC down whenever he felt like it...

 

[L0ki]

Lol, Jon also took DC down whenever he felt like it...

TD's were almost meaningless that fight.

The TD's were 3 to 1 in favor of Jon.

DC had the only slam.

Both guys landed a grand total combined of zero strikes while either on the ground or while the opponent was trying to get back up.

 

[Mr. Hammer]

Jones won the first fight decisively, I don't care what his haters will have you believe about a "competitive" fight. It wasn't.

I predict Jones will win the rematch without too much trouble, though the one thing that could work in DC's favor is Jones' layoff. Who knows how it will affect Jon.

 

[Mr. Hammer]

Not really.

DC was clearly better than Jon in the clinch. That's where Cormier was most effective. Almost every time they clinched DC would and X amount of uppercuts.

DC only needs to modify very little to get a UD against Jon.

Not at all my recollection of the fight. Didn't Jones easily dump Cormier on his ass from the clinch?

 

[Mr. Hammer]

TD's were almost meaningless that fight.

The TD's were 3 to 1 in favor of Jon.

DC had the only slam.

Both guys landed a grand total combined of zero strikes while either on the ground or while the opponent was trying to get back up.

TD's count whether there is any gnp resulting or not. Jones taking DC at all was unbelievably impressive, much less multiple times. Those TD's weren't "meaningless", they spoke volumes as to who was the superior MMArtist that night. The Olympic gold medal elite wrestler got outwrestled.

 

[Dart Feld]

Not really.

DC was clearly better than Jon in the clinch. That's where Cormier was most effective. Almost every time they clinched DC would and X amount of uppercuts.

DC only needs to modify very little to get a UD against Jon.

Did you only watch round 2 or something?

Actually scratch that, since even at that point Jones was firing back with knees to the body and elbows. From round 3 on, Jones held the advantage in the clinch. The uppercuts were neutralized, Jones gained the upperhand in the handfighting, he controlled DC, and between them he landed the meaningful strikes there for the remainder of the fight. That's not to mention the TDs in the 4th.

The clinch is actually one of the major areas DC needs improvements in to win in the rematch.

 

[1King]

Jones was never in any danger, and controlled the entire fight. DC is a world class, top 5 p4p fighter IMO, honestly I'd favor him over anyone in history that isn't Jones, but there isn't a whole lot he brings to this matchup.

 

[L0ki]

Not at all my recollection of the fight. Didn't Jones easily dump Cormier on his ass from the clinch?

No. DC just landed uppercut after uppercut. It's where he scored most of his points.

The TD's all lasted about 1 second, as both guys were able to get up immediately and take zero damage.

 

[dr benway]

I picked DC to be the one to beat Jones when I first began watching his Strikeforce fights. He choked in the first fight; I'm sticking with my opinion. DC beats Jones and sets up a trilogy.

 

[L0ki]

Did you only watch round 2 or something?

Actually scratch that, since even at that point Jones was firing back with knees to the body and elbows. From round 3 on, Jones held the advantage in the clinch. The uppercuts were neutralized, Jones gained the upperhand in the handfighting, he controlled DC, and between them he landed the meaningful strikes there for the remainder of the fight. That's not to mention the TDs in the 4th.

The clinch is actually one of the major areas DC needs improvements in to win in the rematch.

Did you watch the fight?

I've seen it several times. Round 3 was DC's most solid round.

As far as TD's, I would say Cormiers 1 TD was worth more than Jons 3. You can't include their wrestling accolades as justifying one over the other in terms of a fight.

The TDs Jon landed were small TDs. The only one that was really big and with authority was DCs slam.

I see it as "what would you rather land....3 decent jabs or 1 solid, hard punch?" just in wrestling terms.

Jon was ahead in significant strikes by a slight margin after round 2. DC was ahead in significant strikes by a slight margin walking into round 4.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

You guys realize Jones has been off for over a year, right?

 

[TheComputerGuy]

I love the fantasy world you live in.

DC won round 2. Was winning round 3 until eye poke. Lost the rest of the round and 4,5. AKA the eye poke changed the fight.

Without an eye poke Jones can not win a fight.