DC has NO chance against Jon

The Schmoop said:
I didn't see it that way either. He clearly won, but to say whipped DC's ass is an exaggeration. I thought DC was doing really well until he made it about securing takedowns when he was gassing himself out trying for them and clearly needed a finish by round 5.
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as a kid I didnt view that video as racist. The movie where your avatar is from
 
Schoolboy Q said:
More likely Jones finishes via body shots, DC didn't handle them well last time.
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Jon got plenty of body strikes in but DC is fat and can take more abuse than Jones boney frame. Jones will break if DC dares to counters Jones to the body.
 
DC has a good chance. I still think Jones wins, though.
 
Of course he has a chance. I wouldn't bet on him but he has a reasonable chance of winning. First fight he chased Jon on a straight line and got chewed up coming in. He's a smart guy though, I'm sure him and his coaches have been working his movement
 
if there was ever good time to fight Jones its after he comes off a long ass layoff and a shitload of personal problems. Still think Jones wins tho and reminds everyone why he's a beast causing a chain reaction of whiney douchey shertard threads about why he's a cheat/sucks/drugaddict/ect
 
Wherever people think something has no chance of happening we get

Serra over GSP
Andersen going to sleep vs Weidman
Holly kicking Rhonda into full time acting
Gonzaga cro coping Cro Cop
Jardine over Iceman
Moose eating a spinning back kick counter and a flying knee from Hall

This is a fight. Anything can happen.
 
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Fullmount Triangle said:
so you watched Jones/Cormier but think he has no shot despite doing very well for the first 3 rounds?

Cormier faced adversity, and his response to it was to take a round off. The onyl wide round for Jones was round 4, where Cormier was clearly stopping to regain some energy. Cormier needs to adjust his approach, moving in on a straight line just caused him to eat body shots on the way in which caused him to get tired, but the fact is that since then, Cormier has faced adversity vs Rumble and Gustafsson, and his response to that was to bite down on his mouthpiece and get back to work. Cormier has shown a change, Jones hasn't fought since then. We don't know how he will react to a long layoff or to a Cormier who isn't going to break.

I get that the revisionist history is that Jones dominated Cormier, but he didn't, it was a very competitive fight.
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When Cormier faces adversity against Jones he won't be able to respond like he did against Rumble and Gus. They are not as well rounded as Jones. DC exploited Rumble's clinch, gas tank, and bottom game. He turned around the fight against Gus in large part due to his dirty boxing in the clinch. Neither are an option for him in this rematch. Jones clinch and gas tank are far better than Rumble's and he's never been controlled in the few times he's been taken down. Him and his corner managed to neutralize the dirty boxing in a round last time and are prepared for it going into UFC 197.

DC's vulnerability to body shots has something that his been in his game since the beginning. Mir was the first to use it to any real success but never fully committed to it. It's not something that's particularly easy for him to shore up esp. not in this fight against someone that has proven to be able to target it with a variety of strikes.

Cormier is not a pushover for any man, that much is true. What he's gained from the fights against Rumble and Gus should be put into perspective nonetheless.
 
What really depleted his gas tank was the amount of strikes Jones made him eat every time he tried to close the distance. Cormier was trying to get the most significant strikes there, because he knew he wasn't going to win with volume.

That won't change in the next fight for both.
The game changer though is the wrestling. Cormier should work hard to get one TD in each of the first three rounds, while maintaining the fight more or less like the first time when they are standing. That will get him ahead of Jones in the score cards, or at the very least, it will make Jones believe that he might be trailing and that will make him take risks.

The problem is that this game plan will tire DC completely for the champ rounds and Jones is a creative fighter, he seizes opportunities and does a lot of improvisation.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
DC has no chance in a fight that some people had it scored 48-47? He wasn't dominated. It was competitive and neither guy came close to getting finished.

He'll have to use his wrestling more but he can beat Jones with the right gameplan. Jones has had a long layoff and I don't think his mind is on fighting. It seemed almost as if it was a hobby that he was just really good at. I might look stupid but I can see him coming back and looking very average or at least have lost a step and that's enough for DC to win.
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I think Jon will be sharp, but I think you make a valid point. It's been over a year since last fight. We'll have to see if he can be like No-Rust Cruz.
 
I think the X factor here is if Jones can come back at the same level he was at prior to all his problems.
 
Cant believe people watched it and thought Cormier won any round but the 3rd. No hit looked like it phased Jones. He backed away and rolled with the punches like he always does, he landed HARD shots to DC's body, and great kicks as always. Do people really overvalue punches that much?
 
Dart Feld said:
When Cormier faces adversity against Jones he won't be able to respond like he did against Rumble and Gus. They are not as well rounded as Jones. DC exploited Rumble's clinch, gas tank, and bottom game. He turned around the fight against Gus in large part due to his dirty boxing in the clinch. Neither are an option for him in this rematch. Jones clinch and gas tank are far better than Rumble's and he's never been controlled in the few times he's been taken down. Him and his corner managed to neutralize the dirty boxing in a round last time and are prepared for it going into UFC 197.

DC's vulnerability to body shots has something that his been in his game since the beginning. Mir was the first to use it to any real success but never fully committed to it. It's not something that's particularly easy for him to shore up esp. not in this fight against someone that has proven to be able to target it with a variety of strikes.

Cormier is not a pushover for any man, that much is true. What he's gained from the fights against Rumble and Gus should be put into perspective nonetheless.
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I'm not saying that it will be the exact same, but the mindset is clearly different from Cormier. He's spoken about taking a round off and how it won't ever happen again, and that's what killed him in the initial fight. Whether or not he'll meet adversity and how he will answer it is neither here nor there, the point is that he went his entire career unchallenged until jones, and after that he's been challenged, and since jones, has met every challenge with grit and violence.

It's an incredibly interesting rematch/
 
Ex Jones fan . I don't like the new one . Calling it now Jones will lose the rematch ..
 
Fullmount Triangle said:
I'm not saying that it will be the exact same, but the mindset is clearly different from Cormier. He's spoken about taking a round off and how it won't ever happen again, and that's what killed him in the initial fight. Whether or not he'll meet adversity and how he will answer it is neither here nor there, the point is that he went his entire career unchallenged until jones, and after that he's been challenged, and since jones, has met every challenge with grit and violence.

It's an incredibly interesting rematch/
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I'm not questioning the mindset so much as I'm questioning how far that can translate to success when the style matchup is against DC instead of favorable to him. Cormier was(some would say foolishly) extremely committed to the moral victory of getting a single TD on Jones in the 5th. He poured all of his remaining energy/will into that. He got a short lived one after more than 4 mins. of effort.

Let's say he finds himself down on the cards again, he'll need more than will. It'll be tougher this time with the advantage in the clinch, wrestling, and striking projected to being on Jones' side as well.

I do think it's still an interesting fight but Cormier's improvements to take back the advantage in the clinch and wrestling in the rematch just haven't been seen to this point.
 
I honestly can't think of a time where I wanted a fighter to win more than this fight but at the same time I'm confident that Jones dominates start to finish. I hope not, but it's what I expect. I will be gladly proven wrong if DC pulls off the upset.
 
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