Dan Henderson is much older than Fedor and had more mileage, more fights, damage when he KO’d him

TheBulge said:
Build in excuse in case he would lose soon.

Fedor according to his fans had his career-best performance against Arlovski, ducking and dodging every single punch from the fastest hands @ HW and knocking him out inside of 1 round.

The biggest game changer was Fedor fighting in a modern time against evolved MMA fighters and secondly he sucked even more in a cage.

Nogueira and Cro Cop two more examples of outdated HW's who couldn't compete in a new era. Same old one trick pony's. Cro Cop's another one like Fedor. Career best performances right before he's magically and conveniently past his prime when he loses.

Fedor lost in his prime against Werdum, Bigfoot and a middle aged MW. A literal MW. Beating him at his own game. Ooof.
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Foedor was getting lit the fuck up against Arloski and I was a big fan of Fedor back then too. Arloski would have won that fight, if he didnt threw that stupid flying knee.
 
Krimzon said:
actually, the opposite is the case. Everyone on sherdog said Fedor looked terrible vs Arlovski and didn't have the fast twitch reaction from years past
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exactly true. That was the time when fans started to think he was declining.
 
markg171 said:
It's kinda funny all the Fedor fans talking about fighters aging differently meanwhile Fedor is still active today while Henderson retired years ago, and furthermore is the #3 HW in Bellator.

But sure, a loss a decade ago shows he didn't age well.
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Fedor is not remotely close to the fighter he was in PRIDE. The best professional fighters still say he was the best in his prime.
 
donkeyjr said:
No, he just started fighting better competittion. lol
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Then why do the best fighters like GSP, DC, Cain etc. disagree and say he was the GOAT.

I will take the opinion of GSP over a random person when it comes to MMA.
 
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Escabar said:
Everyone talking about TRT yes it helps but its not some wonder drug that makes you 10x the fighter. Hendo was on trt against Machia and off it against Rashad there was literally nothing different about his level of performance. Sure Fedor had slowed but Hendo is one of the greatest to ever step in the ring and is a handful for anyone in or close to his prime.
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I agree, but it's worth pointing out that IMO Henderson looked the same because of his knee injuries far more than TRT or non-TRT.

After he injured his knees preparing for Jones he became the flat footed, stiff fighter that everybody remembers him for as he clearly couldn't move properly anymore. Before that he was far more agile, which in large part is what won him the Fedor fight, and Rua fight afterwards too. The dude hit like a Mack truck and could move well enough to get those shots in. The leg kick-overhand right, which yes KO'd Bisping earlier in his career, became a meme in the latter half of his career because it's one of the few moves he clearly still could do lol.

So considering he still made it to split decisions against Machida and Rashad it's fairly likely without his knee injuries he'd have beaten them, regardless of TRT. Regardless, to me it's the biggest reason for those performances. TRT or not isn't fixing poor knees.
 
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campbecc said:
Fedor is not remotely close to the fighter he was in PRIDE. The best professional fighters still say he was the best in his prime.
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I didn't say he was.

But you can't simultaneously say Fedor aged more than Henderson did a decade ago meanwhile Fedor is still active today and Henderson isn't, and on top of that is the #3 HW in a major organization.

Clearly Fedor's longevity is greater than Henderson's and you'd have to have a colossal cognitive dissonance to say otherwise.
 
HP_Nut said:
This is so dumb, is TS not aware that some guys past their prime at different ages? Fedor's advantage at HW is he is usually faster, more athletic & explosive than the slow, plodding HWs. Guys who rely on speed & reflexes generally decline younger. This thread is akin to saying that since Henderson was 41 yrs old, anyone who loses before 41 can't claim to not be in their prime. Not everyone declines at the same time, I would even say Henderson was also in decline, so I'm not claiming it was prime Henderson either. Henderson is a guy who on a good day, could beat just about anyone, but could also just as easily lose to any of the top 5
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Or maybe he just wasn't fighting a slow, plodding HW but an agile MW/LHW and so didn't have that advantage.
 
markg171 said:
I didn't say he was.

But you can't simultaneously say Fedor aged more than Henderson did a decade ago meanwhile Fedor is still active today and Henderson isn't, and on top of that is the #3 HW in a major organization.

Clearly Fedor's longevity is greater than Henderson's and you'd have to have a colossal cognitive dissonance to say otherwise.
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Hendo was taking steroids. Fedor was not. Steroids matter a lot.
 
Fight Professor said:
Everyone is going to say TRT but Hendo also got better over time while Fedor peaked in PRIDE.
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Ppl are gonna say TRT b/c Hendo was on TRT. He went 3-6 when he got off it and was dropped and KOd repeatedly including for the first time. Facts are facts.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
yeah no shit. hendo’s one of the goats too

hahahahahahahahahahahahah yeah i’m sure
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Hendo was openly taking steroids. Fedor was not and his performance fell off like a natural athlete.
 
campbecc said:
Hendo was openly taking steroids. Fedor was not and his performance fell off like a natural athlete.
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hendo was openly taking steroids that a shitload of men take at his age to still perform like they used to. fedor is most certainly not a clean athlete, he would be a massive exception among russian athletes, including an exception in his own family.

you hold the mouthbreather belief that no fighter has ever done steroids until they pop, and then once they do, they’ve been on them their life. you are incapable of nuanced thought and too caught up with dumb rules to realize steroids don’t fucking matter in the first place lmao
 
campbecc said:
Hendo was openly taking steroids. Fedor was not and his performance fell off like a natural athlete.
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Before steroids, athletes use to be past their prime by 30 but now they can somehow be in their prime near 40; isn't that weird how people have evolved that much in a few decades :rolleyes:
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
hendo was openly taking steroids that a shitload of men take at his age to still perform like they used to. fedor is most certainly not a clean athlete, he would be a massive exception among russian athletes, including an exception in his own family.

you hold the mouthbreather belief that no fighter has ever done steroids until they pop, and then once they do, they’ve been on them their life. you are incapable of nuanced thought and too caught up with dumb rules to realize steroids don’t fucking matter in the first place lmao
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PEDs clearly matter a lot, every world record can easily be beaten without testing. But when someone fails it's because they pushed the limit and they failed.
 
Aarkan said:
Henderson has KOs in welterweight, middleweight ,light heavy and heavyweight
He lost to a lot of guys, but can also KO anyone in history
P4P puncher
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Conor thinks he has Hendo's power.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
hendo was openly taking steroids that a shitload of men take at his age to still perform like they used to. fedor is most certainly not a clean athlete, he would be a massive exception among russian athletes, including an exception in his own family.

you hold the mouthbreather belief that no fighter has ever done steroids until they pop, and then once they do, they’ve been on them their life. you are incapable of nuanced thought and too caught up with dumb rules to realize steroids don’t fucking matter in the first place lmao
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You have zero evidence against Fedor except hating Russians.
 
campbecc said:
PEDs clearly matter a lot, every world record can easily be beaten without testing. But when someone fails it's because they pushed the limit and they failed.
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do you have an issue with seeing world record level athleticism? i don’t.

there’s also not a shred of proof that higher-level technique increases major injury risk or death risk. human beings are only capable of so much and it takes an absolute shitload of damage to kill someone with your bare hands, barring any prior undetected health risks. being super good at fighting doesn’t make it more likely that you accidentally hurt someone in the ring.

so realistically, if steroids are allowed and everyone is made aware of it, there’s no logical or moral reason to disallow them.
 
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