CroCop all-time status

[OliverAtom]

Top 5 for sure but not for long.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

About 6th all-time... and dropping.

1. Fedor
2. Minotauro
3. Velasquez
4. Barnett
5. Cigano
6. Cro Cop
7. Werdum ^

(note: counting Bas Rutten and Randy Couture as LHWs)

Mirko's Record vs Ranked Opponents:
(and all losses and draws)


WIN - Josh Barnett - Sep/10/2006 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict Absolute
4 HW - 2006 - AUG - Associated Fight Press
4 HW - 2006 - Aug 29 - MMA Weekly
*JUL1:Barnett>Hunt*
5 HW - 2006 - Jun 16 (26) - MMA Fighting

WIN - Wanderlei Silva - Sep/10/2006 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict Absolute
10 HW - 2006 - AUG - Associated Fight Press
2 LHW - 2006 - AUG - Associated Fight Press
2 LHW - 2006 - Aug 29 - MMA Weekly
*JUL1:Wand>Fujita*
9 P4P - 2006 - JUNE 16 (26) - MMA Fighting

WIN - Hidehiko Yoshida - Jul/1/2006 -- Pride FC - Critical Countdown Absolute
14 HW - 2006 - May 31 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

WIN - Josh Barnett - Oct/23/2005 -- Pride 30 - Fully Loaded
7 HW - 2005 - Oct 7 - MMA Fighting
6 HW - 2005 - Oct 25 - MMA Collective Rankings
9 HW - 2005 - SEP (12) - Bloody Knux
7 HW - 2005 - Aug 12 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

WIN - Kevin Randleman - Dec/31/2004 -- Pride - Shockwave 2004
9 HW - 2004 - Dec 19 - Associated Fight Press
13 HW - 2004 - NOV - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
13 HW - 2004 - Nov 14 - MMA Fighting
7 LHW - 2004 - Oct 15 - Stephen Quadros Top 10

WIN - Josh Barnett - Oct/31/2004 -- Pride 28 - High Octane
3 HW - 2004 - Oct 15 - Stephen Quadros Top 10
3 HW - 2004 - Sep 21 - ADCC MMA Rankings
3 HW - 2004 - SEP (3?) - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
3 HW - 2004 - Aug 23 - MMA News
3 HW - 2004 - Jul 5 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Ron Waterman - Feb/1/2004 -- Pride 27 - Inferno
6 SHW - 2004 - Jan 4 - MMA Collective-Ufight

WIN - Igor Vovchanchyn - Aug/10/2003 -- Pride FC - Total Elimination 2003
10 HW - 2003 - Jun 28 - Stepehen Quadros
12 HW - 2003 - JUN - Associated Fight Press
14 HW - 2003 - JUN - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

WIN - Heath Herring - Jun/8/2003 -- Pride 26 - Bad to the Bone
6 HW - 2003 - MAY - Associated Fight Press
5 HW - 2003 - May 4 - MMA News
8 HW - 2003 - APR - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
6 HW - 2003 - Mar 17 - Stepehen Quadros
6 HW - 2003 - Feb 15 - MMA Media Top 10

WIN - Kazushi Sakuraba - Aug/28/2002 -- Pride FC - Shockwave
2 MW - 2002 - JUL - Associated Fight Press
3 MW - 2002 - Jun 18 - Stepehen Quadros
2 MW - 2002 - Jun 11 - MMA Media Top 10

WIN - Kazuyuki Fujita - Aug/19/2001 -- K-1 - Andy Hug Memorial
7 HW - 2001 - Aug 14 - MMA Media Top 10
6 HW - 2001 - Aug 6 - Stepehen Quadros


DRAW - Wanderlei Silva - Apr/28/2002 -- Pride 20 - Armed and Ready
1 LHW - 2002 - APR - Associated Fight Press
2 LHW - 2002 - Apr 15 - MMA Media Top 10
2 LHW - 2002 - Jan 12 - Stepehen Quadros
2 LHW - 2002 - JAN - Full Contact Fighter

DRAW - Nobuhiko Takada - Nov/3/2001 -- Pride 17 - Championship Chaos


LOSS - Roy Nelson - Oct/29/2011 -- UFC 137 - Penn vs. Diaz
11-15 HW - 2011 - Oct 11 - Sherdog
15 HW - 2011 - Sep 30 - Bloody Elbow-USAToday

LOSS - Brendan Schaub - Mar/19/2011 -- UFC 128 - Shogun vs. Jones
14 HW - 2011 - Feb 24 - Bloody Elbow-USAToday
11-15 HW - 2011 - Feb 28 - Sherdog

LOSS - Frank Mir - Sep/25/2010 -- UFC 119 - Mir vs. Cro Cop
8 HW - 2010 - Sep 14(17) - Independent World MMA Rankings
7 HW - 2010 - Sep 4 - Fight Matrix-Published
7 HW - 2010 - Sep 3 - Sherdog
8 HW - 2010 - Aug 31 - MMA Weekly
7 HW - 2010 - Aug 26 - Bloody Elbow-USAToday

LOSS - Junior dos Santos - Sep/19/2009 -- UFC 103 - Franklin vs. Belfort
6 HW - 2009 - Oct 1 - Bloody Elbow-USAToday
6 HW - 2009 - Sep 7 - Fight Matrix-Published
10 HW - 2009 - Sep 3 - Sherdog
11' HW - 2009 - Sep 3 - MMA Torch
7 HW - 2009 - Sep 1 - MMA Fighting- Michael D. Smith

NC - Alistair Overeem - Sep/23/2008 -- Dream 6 - Middleweight Grand Prix 2008 Final
13 HW - 2008 - Sep 22 - Bloody Elbow-Meta Rankings
17 HW - 2008 - Sep 15? - WAMMA Rankings
10 HW - 2008 - Sep 11 - Sherdog
15 HW - 2008 - SEP - Full Contact Fighter
11 HW - 2008 - Sep 1 - Fight Matrix-Published

LOSS - Cheick Kongo - Sep/8/2007 -- UFC 75 - Champion vs. Champion

LOSS - Gabriel Gonzaga - Apr/21/2007 -- UFC 70 - Nations Collide

LOSS - Mark Hunt - Dec/31/2005 -- Pride FC - Shockwave 2005
5 SHW - 2005 - Dec 11 - MMA Collective Rankings
12 HW - 2005 - Oct 7 - MMA Fighting
14 HW - 2005 - SEP (12) - Bloody Knux

LOSS - Fedor Emelianenko - Aug/28/2005 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2005
1 P4P - 2005 - MAY (12) - Bloody Knux
1 HW - 2005 - Aug 12 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
1 HW - 2005 - Jul 21? - Associated Fight Press
1 HW - 2005 - JUN - Full Contact Fighter
1 HW - 2005 - MAY (12) - Bloody Knux
1 HW - 2005 - May 4 - ADCC MMA Rankings

LOSS - Kevin Randleman - Apr/25/2004 -- Pride FC - Total Elimination 2004
9 LHW - 2004 - Apr 12 - Stephen Quadros Top 10

LOSS - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Nov/9/2003 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2003
2 HW - 2003 - Oct 31 - MMA Media Top 10
3 HW - 2003 - Oct 12 - MMA Collective-Ufight
4 HW - 2003 - OCT - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
2 HW - 2003 - Sep 28 - Stephen Quadros Top 10
5 HW - 2003 - Sep 27 - MMA News

 

[zamuz]

bunch of statistics

On one hand, this is a good post and if we are to resort or implement pseudo-math in ranking of fighters from different eras, then I suppose this is the way to go; being supposedly as objective as possible.

On the other hand, I believe that ranking fighters between different times should be done based on their primes rather than statistical match-ups. While I do respect rankings which are done by experts, it's still very subjective, and becomes even more subjective when you compare rankings of fighters from different eras by simply looking at who has more/less wins/defeat.

Truth of the matter is, the level of performance CC was showing in Pride was vastly superior to his UFC bouts. I'm not taking anything away from the fighters who beat him; I'm just remembering how he looked in his Pride fights and compare them to the UFC ones.

 

[finalboss]

Top ten at most, he didn't have a ground game.

 

[MyPainYourGain]

top 5 at HW.

 

[MyPainYourGain]

Top ten at most, he didn't have a ground game.

and JDS does?

 

[JKS]

Outside top 5 to 10.......I have Fedor, Nog, Barnett, and Mir as top 4. I will take Mir ahead of Cro Cop. And you gotta fit JDS, Werdum, and Cain in there somewhere. Where does Cro Cop fit??? And where do you squeeze Rand in there???

 

[Osnodon]

He was never champion, jackhead.
That's just one belt they created. Any stinky little MMA org can make up a belt.
Being champion means that you're the best fighter in your weight class.

Gp belt was more prestigious in pride nub.

 

[Zodiac**]

It's safe to say he is not in the HW top ten anymore and sliding down pretty fast.

 

[LegendaryBrolly]

Why? If Mir isn't than neither is Mirko.

Mir has more big wins than Mirko.
Mir has less bad losses than Mirko.
Mir is better against common opponents than Mirko.
Mir beat Mirko heads up.

There is no objective standard to rank CC over Mir. Only subjective pride was better romanticisms.

lol Mir has beat two top 10 ranked guys Tim and a shot Nog.

the biggest thing however is when Mirko lost his bigs fights in his prime he typically looked very competitive (nog, fedor, hunt). Mir however, every time he loses throughout his career (which is a lot) he looks like he doesnt even belong there. That is a huge sticking point for Mir's career that really gives fuel to the people that see him as more of an average fighter that lucked out a couple times.

 

[Jodocus_Quak]

MY HW GOAT list:

1. Fedor
2. Big Nog
3. Igor, Coleman
5. Crocop
6. Couture
7. Cain
8. Sylvia
9. Barnett
10. JDS, AA

My list is based on achievments in and outside of MMA, displayed skill, winning streaks, dominance in fights and ability to using all aspects in MMA together.

 

[LatFlare]

Fedor, Velasquez, Dos Santos, Werdum, Nogueira



+ St. Pierre, Silva, Penn, Jones, Couture, Henderson, Sakuraba, Gracie, Liddell, Aldo, Machida, Hughes, Rampage, Pettis, Rutten, Shogun, Wanderlei, Pulver, Mir, Steven Segal.


Match up all of those guys against each other once and I bet ya Segal loses 24 times.

wut

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Outside top 5 to 10.......I have Fedor, Nog, Barnett, and Mir as top 4. I will take Mir ahead of Cro Cop. And you gotta fit JDS, Werdum, and Cain in there somewhere. Where does Cro Cop fit??? And where do you squeeze Rand in there???

GTFO... you cant be serious.

 

[jenlan]

Right now we know Fedor is 1 and Nog is 2. The rest would be a mess if you tried to rank them. You could rank CC anywhere from 3 or right behind guys like Cain, JDS, Werdum, and Barnett.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

[Yammering]

Rankings are based on opinions. But that doesn't mean Rankings can't be objective.

Fighters' records and the Rankings of the opponents they faced offer perspective in these types of topics. If YOU choose to view them as the definitive measure, that's up to you.

 

[Polynomial_C]

Dummy, JDS is definitely in there. I think in 20 years only Fedor and Cain will be left though.

20 years???

They'll be many many fighters more capable than Fedor and Cain within 20 years. I'm a big fan of them both but as long as the competition is the same or more, the sport hasn't seen it's best. Not by a long shot.

 

[zamuz]

Rankings are based on opinions. But that doesn't mean Rankings can't be objective.

Unless there's going to be a unified, empirical and scientifically valid mathematical derivation of computing fighters' wins and losses (a la ELO), there simply can't be real objectivity. I'm talking about "real-time", let alone when dealing with pseudo-rankings of fighters from different eras.

 

[Pixel Fist]

#1 Fedor
#2 Big Nog
#3 Cro Cop
#4 Vovchanchyn
#5 Cain

 

[lowsingle]

lol.

dos santos won and defended a championship

cro cop was never #1 at any point

 

[benki11]

Top 5 HW