Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[TheOldMan]

it fucking rules until it doesnt
get seriously ill and have fun covering medical expenses, aka taking out a mortgage and hoping you dont get replaced at your job

you said to name countries with better living standard - your rebuttal to that list was going on about religion and how 10 commandments are thing to live by (as if people wouldnt know murder was bad otherwise)

Yes it rules. And I'm covered medically, but also via common sense: prepping. You did see this or something similar coming, right?

I live in Australia. I can't really be bothered listing all the countries I have been to but America is one of them.

Have you lived in other developed countries to compare?

I think personal experiences don't amount for much.

If you cloned a guy, sent the guy and his clone off to the same job in the same city in the same type of car and even housed them next door to each other... and the clone had his house broken into three times in 5 years while the original didn't.

Then they're going to form very different opinions on the safety of that city. Despite being the same person in the same city.

Because experiences are subjective and unique to the individual.


Numbers or rather the assessment of numbers from various and numerous sources is the better method for determining an overall picture than individual experience.


None of this has anything to do with the flawed American Political System.

I think personal experiences don't amount for much.

Because experiences are subjective and unique to the individual.

Conflicting, yet similar?
I already posted my points about the elders knowing more than any textbook can teach, yet experiences don't count for much? I hope god grants you the longevity that you look back on that one and laugh....

So to summarize: you don't live here but based on what news, textbooks and media tell you it's bad.
Fortunately due to my 2a rights anyone that breaks into my dwelling will be shot dead.

Not denying the system is flawed, 100% it is, but I have yet to see a better system cited, and Australia, as you already know, is a poor example. Anything else you can add to your flawed argument?
I know it must suck knowing that the USA is the worlds leader in almost everything whilst not living here, but have you considered a move, applying for citizenship?

 

[west42]

Did you know we also walk upside down, using our hands as feet? It's true

I've been to UK (several of my friends work in Ireland and Great Britain) on several occasions, shitload of my family lives in germany, sweden > I know what rights they have as workers, I know their living conditions and how good their healthcare system is and all of that is miles ahead of US
I've visited Singapore

and me living there or not makes no difference as to whether or not those countries have better living standard than US



I live in EU
yes, USA is run by church since both republicans and democrats are huge conservatives and some of the laws are asinine

 

[zebby23]

Let's for arguments sake assume what this is true.... ITS YEAR FUCKING 4 OF HIS PRESIDENCY

Without a doubt the most incompetent president is US History and maybe the entire modern world.

 

[Jim Braddock]

https://markets.businessinsider.com...ns-erased-coronavirus-risks-2020-3-1028991585



so how will trump presidency be remembered?

- economy gains wiped out
- social divide is greater then ever
- healthcare is worst out of any western nation
- student loan debt is worse than has ever been
- US military still hasnt withdrew from middle east + terrorist cells havent been wiped out
- US war veterans are still treated like shit and are growing in numbers
- failed diplomacy: worsened relations with long standing allies (EU) while promoting relations with dictators/royal regimes (brasil, saudi arabia, russia, turkey); NATO has basically become useless with all the bickering among its members
- swamp has not been drained: political establishment is still alive and kicking
- regulations that benefit the US public being removed (regarding environment, internet access, healthcare, etc)
- NSA is still spying on everyone and congress is attempting to pass a law that will effectively end encryption (making it even easier to spy on everyone)

but hey, at least:
- companies still operate in tax heavens without repercussions
- taxes are lower for the rich
- unemployment is super low (doesnt matter if people have to work 2 jobs just to cover getting sick and dealing with ensuing expenses)
- epstein didnt kill himself

In the face of a pandemic all you’ve got is a trump gotcha moment?

tds level 900000. Rent free. But at least you score for your “team”.

 

[drstrangelov]

I don't think Biden is ever truly going to be "pulled to the left". For sure, he might pretend to adopt some more progressive policies and make false promises, because he's a lying, sleazy motherfucker with no conscience, but that's one old dog who's not going to be learning any new tricks. History tells. He's a corporate goon, and will likely remain that way. At every given opportunity, he has voted for status quo, for things to remain as they are. Are we supposed to believe that he has suddenly seen the light at nearly 80 years of age?

Bernie on the other hand is just a man completely incapable of exploiting an advantage whenever such an opportunity presents itself. Chalk that up to his egalitarian beliefs, I suppose. The guy's just not a winner. No competitiveness whatsoever, no leadership. All criticisms which were spelled out about him a long time ago.

Biden’s not gonna suddenly cancel student loan debt or anything, buts is an incremental jump from his current public option approach to single payer, he just needs to make his public option the insurer of last resort, then every private insurer will disappear after a few flu seasons.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

CBS News video in 2009 at the time they believed there were 4000 deaths in the United States from swine flu.

There was no fear-mongering then. I wonder what's different now?

 

[Amerikuracana]

No, Trump did NOT have to propose taking health insurance away from people with pre-existing conditions. Luckily Congress voted that down. Imagine that congress had passed that Trump policy a few years ago and then you got lung damage from this corona virus, so now you have a pre-existing condition. lmao.

He COULD have proposed real healthcare reform. His party had control of both houses of Congress. He would be looking like one of the best presidents of all time right now if he had. Instead, he proposed shit like that.

The only thing left to do is UHC. That's it. It's that or go backwards or nowhere. Your party will NOT be for it. Sorry. Yes, Trump had to adopt far too many establishment Republican stances in order to have alliances in Washington. That's how the system is set up not to allow real change. Any person who comes in and tries to change the plutocracy will be accused of "being a dictator" by your propaganda media. If the potential of an individual to not fully "play ball" will cause these attacks. It's what you have seen.

 

[Amerikuracana]

CBS News video in 2009 at the time they believed there were 4000 deaths in the United States from swine flu.

There was no fear-mongering then. I wonder what's different now?

Yesterday's BREAKING NEWS: MICHIGAN WITH 3 CONFIRMED CASES

 

[Trotsky]

No no no, our agencies don't want to do their jobs and want Americans to die! Panic!
Paaaaaniiiiiic!!!

It's the only sensible thing left to do.

What do you think happens when agencies' funding is slashed to pay for tax cuts for the rich? Or when they don't receive prompt emergency funding?

 

[Iron Nick]

But hey, at least the US has spent as much money as the next seven countries into its military, that's gotta be good for something, right?

Spoiler

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

We're not talking about cause. We're talking about response.

GWB didn't cause Katrina. But his administration's response indicated some combination of self-preservation, incompetence and disregard for human life. Critics say this is what we're seeing from Trump relative to COVID-19.

Fair enough.. can we wait for the 'America is broken' assesment until we have (hopefully not) deaths comparable to the other countries?

Are those countries I listed upset with their leadership for their response?

 

[Fanu]

In the face of a pandemic all you’ve got is a trump gotcha moment?

tds level 900000. Rent free. But at least you score for your “team”.

trump gotchad himself

On Monday, President Trump wrote on Twitter TWTR, -14.44%, “Last year 37,000 Americans died” from the flu: “Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on,” he added. On Wednesday, the president announced that he was “marshaling the full power of the federal government” by suspending all travel from Europe to the U.S. for one month.

he has been flip fopping so much.. - remember when John Kerry was ridiculed? Or remember the "Thanks Obama" memes?
now that there is actually a guy in power that you voted for that fucks up every opportunity he can, you cry foul
lmao

 

[superpunch]

The only thing left to do is UHC. That's it. It's that or go backwards or nowhere. Your party will NOT be for it. Sorry. Yes, Trump had to adopt far too many establishment Republican stances in order to have alliances in Washington. That's how the system is set up not to allow real change. Any person who comes in and tries to change the plutocracy will be accused of "being a dictator" by your propaganda media. If the potential of an individual to not fully "play ball" will cause these attacks. It's what you have seen.

I'm a Republican and voted for Trump hahaha. I just recognize how broken America is here and Trump's complete failure.

Trump's such a failure on this that even I sound like some Bernie guy. FUCK Bernie. But also fuck Trump here.

 

[Amerikuracana]

CBS News video in 2009 at the time they believed there were 4000 deaths in the United States from swine flu.

There was no fear-mongering then. I wonder what's different now?

The difference in reaction really, really is notable. It's kind of like a flu that really only kills the already very sick or old always comes around, and it's never been made such a big deal of.

How many people have died in China so far?

 

[Madmick]

It's pretty obvious the market has crashed due to the WuFlu, and it's equally obvious that the WuFlu isn't Trump's fault.

TDS in turbocharge this morning.

 

[TheOldMan]

Genuine question. You made an assertion and when challenged you went on a tangent about yourself that had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

In fact you still seem to struggle with what the subject at hand is.

My "tangent" as you put it is the subject at hand. I live here, you don't.

t seems that rather than actually thinking the american political system is the best like you've asserted you've basically just gotten defensive about the first thing you perceived as anti american and made a statement that not only is incorrect but probably not even an opinion you have.

Nothing to be defensive of. I understand your envy and in fact sympathize with you.

And then you've gotten defensive about it being challenged and then gone on some other tangent about how good the country is because what you really meant when you said best system in the world was.

"America is the best, don't you say anything bad about her you commie"

Hmmmm. Commie? That's the first time that word has entered the conversation. Is there a reason why?
I said nothing of the sort....are you projecting? Insecure? I know for an outsider that the USA spirit is hard to grasp, but you'll have to trust the fact that BY LIVING HERE I can assure you it's alive and well.
Sure, many of the uneducated basement dwelling Bernie supporters will cry and fuss and moan, but the bottom line is that this is the best country in the world, hands down and not even close.

Still waiting on anything at all that supports an argument otherwise.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I'm a Republican and voted for Trump hahaha. I just recognize how broken America is here and Trump's complete failure.

If he would have voted for the necessary positive changes to health-care, Republicans would have impeached him as well. You don't get it.

 

[RoosterHucklebuck]

@luckyshot
Who is every other country blaming this on?

For ex: The Italians, South Koreans,the Germans,Spainards,Iranians?

China is claiming that the virus came from the United States.

 

[TheGreatA]

Biden’s not gonna suddenly cancel student loan debt or anything, buts is an incremental jump from his current public option approach to single payer, he just needs to make his public option the insurer of last resort, then every private insurer will disappear after a few flu seasons.

Who knows how many "reaching across the aisle" compromises will be made though, in domestic policy, to once again reach a mutual understanding between the two parties, in order to, for example, push mutually agreed upon foreign policy agendas (which often seem to be prioritized when it comes to establishment politicians, over domestic affairs)?

The result might be a significantly gimped version of whatever promises that Biden has put out there.

This is the problem with guys like this. For sure, they are not radical. Except that, maybe, there's a need to get a little bit radical about some things. Shit has gone nowhere in decades, largely thanks to guys like this.

The way I see it, you're better off going in with Bernie's platform, and then compromising to end up with significant benefits still. Rather than going in with a "moderate" plan and ending up with essentially nothing.

 

[Magooglie]

@luckyshot
Who is every other country blaming this on?

For ex: The Italians, South Koreans,the Germans,Spainards,Iranians?

There are cults in South Korea trying to infect themselves.