Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[Fanu]

Nothing weird about it at all. It fucking rules living in the USA and I base that on my own life experiences.

Any more questions or concerns you'd like me to rebuff?

it fucking rules until it doesnt
get seriously ill and have fun covering medical expenses, aka taking out a mortgage and hoping you dont get replaced at your job

you said to name countries with better living standard - your rebuttal to that list was going on about religion and how 10 commandments are thing to live by (as if people wouldnt know murder was bad otherwise)

 

[Headkicktoleg]

I knew Trump inventing Coronavirus would come back to bite him!

 

[Cid]

I'm sure you are.

However because of the fact I live here and can say first hand that it's great....where do you live? What do you have to compare it to? Have you ever been here?

I'm much more about seeing than just believing. As an example I'm a "historian" in a sense and often times find local elders words much much more accurate than what a text book tells me. What the textbooks provide us and what reality is are unfortunately often time completely different. Have you ever experienced that?

I live in Australia. I can't really be bothered listing all the countries I have been to but America is one of them.

Have you lived in other developed countries to compare?

I think personal experiences don't amount for much.

If you cloned a guy, sent the guy and his clone off to the same job in the same city in the same type of car and even housed them next door to each other... and the clone had his house broken into three times in 5 years while the original didn't.

Then they're going to form very different opinions on the safety of that city. Despite being the same person in the same city.

Because experiences are subjective and unique to the individual.


Numbers or rather the assessment of numbers from various and numerous sources is the better method for determining an overall picture than individual experience.


None of this has anything to do with the flawed American Political System.

 

[SiKnSiN]

It's obviously not his fault, but he tied himself to the stock market at his own peril. It was a mistake I doubt we'll see future Presidents repeat.

 

[Fedor Emelianenko]

https://markets.businessinsider.com...ns-erased-coronavirus-risks-2020-3-1028991585



so how will trump presidency be remembered?

- economy gains wiped out
- social divide is greater then ever
- healthcare is worst out of any western nation
- student loan debt is worse than has ever been
- US military still hasnt withdrew from middle east + terrorist cells havent been wiped out
- US war veterans are still treated like shit and are growing in numbers
- failed diplomacy: worsened relations with long standing allies (EU) while promoting relations with dictators/royal regimes (brasil, saudi arabia, russia, turkey); NATO has basically become useless with all the bickering among its members
- swamp has not been drained: political establishment is still alive and kicking
- regulations that benefit the US public being removed (regarding environment, internet access, healthcare, etc)
- NSA is still spying on everyone and congress is attempting to pass a law that will effectively end encryption (making it even easier to spy on everyone)

but hey, at least:
- companies still operate in tax heavens without repercussions
- taxes are lower for the rich
- unemployment is super low (doesnt matter if people have to work 2 jobs just to cover getting sick and dealing with ensuing expenses)
- epstein didnt kill himself

Biggest failure..... ever

 

[BIKES!]

His legacy (10,20,30, etc. years from now) is going to be either very bad or non existent considering he's passed/accomplished absolutely nothing notable that can outlive his time in office.

The reason Italy is in shambles deciding who dies and who doesn’t is purely the result of their open borders. They have 100s of thousand of illegals from Wuhan going back and forth making their shit luxury goods. The UK is thus far in great shape due to their border (effectively a wall) and their rejection of EU shit policy.

If/when Trump fixes the border that will have lasting effects. To imply in any way that Trump’s legacy is that of empty suit racist Obama is nonsense.

 

[drstrangelov]

I think this sinks trumps reelection campaign. He’s not working to solve the problem. If Biden/Sanders met today with democratic leaders in Congress and publicly pushed them to enact common sense measures that Trump couldn’t veto, they’d look like the men in charge during a crisis, and Trump would be a lame duck already.

Basically, pass emergency funding for testing distributed by population size to each state, upper limit of which would pay to test everyone. Get each governor on the phone, let them know that the large hospital networks in their states that rely on federal/state funding or tax breaks need to set up high volume, drive in screening programs at satellite campuses, or they can’t rely on that funding in the future.

The heads of the largest insurance companies should be told that they can eat the costs for treatment for now, or face a 2020 campaign where all candidates are running on Medicare for all.

Contact major utility companies and mortgage and have them expand hardship programs to cover temporary unemployment between now and June. People can keep the lights on for now if they fill out the proper paperwork, and cap interest on repayment plans.

Require emergency planning manuals from each state and city government overseeing more than 100k people to cover travel restrictions, resource management and basic community maintenance (police/fire/ambulance/sewer/water/power/waste), as business temporarily contracts due to lockdowns.

Reassess daily/weekly until newly identified cases fall to 10% of newly reported recoveries.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Yes, we don't have the tests available.

Meanwhile countries like South Korea made a completely new machine in 2 weeks using supercomputers and got it approved in a week. It can test 1 million people a week at under $20 a test. Meanwhile we tested 8 people yesterday, and the tests cost like $3000 each.

FDA says it needs to go through a lengthy approval test though, and it's illegal in the USA. They have laws in place to expedite approval during pandemics like this in Korea, hence it got approved in a week. It could take years for the FDA to approve in the US though..

People in Korea, EVERYONE, gets medical coverage. We have millions of people that are uninsured living paycheck to paycheck that can't even afford the $200 to go to a doctor..

Our system is broken, no other way to put it. And Trump's recent ideas to fix it? Take away coverage from people with pre-existing conditions... jesus, man. Luckily that never passed. In Trump's America, if you got lung damage from this shit you wouldn't even be able to afford health insurance anymore.. fucking lmao. Our system is so broken.

Before there were any cases of novel coronavirus confirmed in South Korea, one of the country's biotech firms had begun preparing to make testing kits to identify the disease.
...
Without the computer, it would have taken the team two to three months to develop such a test, said Chun. This time, it was done in a matter of weeks.
...
The next hurdle was getting the test approved for use. It can take a year-and-a-half to submit the necessary documents to South Korea's authorities and get it approved.
This time, it took a week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html

This might be pertinent

 

[goldennirvana]

you laugh all you want but mention abortion or maternity leave and whole country goes berserk

If Republicans & Democrats were "huge conservatives", like you claim, they'd be promoting no sex before marriage (which would naturally virtually eradicate the need for abortions). But they don't. Because neither are particularly conservative, especially the Democrats.

You are delusional.

Which country are you from?

 

[TheGreatA]

Yeah well, the chance to vote for a guy like Bernie, who was actually willing to change the system, came and went. You reap what you sow, I suppose.

Anyway I think the impact of this virus will be significantly nullified by Trump's willingness to close the borders. The big problem in Europe has been that people are just flowing in and out freely due to free movement. America fortunately has an ocean separating them from the rest, so they're not going to have to welcome any new virus carriers to their country, unless they want to.

 

[steveflynn]

The reason Italy is in shambles deciding who dies and who doesn’t is purely the result of their open borders. They have 100s of thousand of illegals from Wuhan going back and forth making their shit luxury goods. The UK is thus far in great shape due to their border (effectively a wall) and their rejection of EU shit policy.

If/when Trump fixes the border that will have lasting effects. To imply in any way that Trump’s legacy is that of empty suit racist Obama is nonsense.

What does Obama have to do with this ? Trump has not and will not do anything of note that will be remembered 10, 20, 30, etc. years from now and everything he has done (tax cuts, deregulations, etc.) can easily be undone by future administrations. Also, his time in office will be defined by the virus outbreak.

 

[milenss]

Trump has been using the stock market as a measure of his own success

Saying he understands the economy better than anyone

I wonder what he has to say now

Stock Market doesn't tell everything for the economy. It's really not that simple.
Ever since Trump took office America is growing faster than expected. In the range of 2.5-3% a year.
China was growing by a staggering 7-8% in Barrack Obama's times.
Now its growth is back to 4-5%.
China is not taking over the USA. Not anytime in the coming decades.

I've been to UK (several of my friends work in Ireland and Great Britain) on several occasions, shitload of my family lives in germany, sweden > I know what rights they have as workers, I know their living conditions and how good their healthcare system is and all of that is miles ahead of US
I've visited Singapore

and me living there or not makes no difference as to whether or not those countries have better living standard than US



I live in EU
yes, USA is run by church since both republicans and democrats are huge conservatives and some of the laws are asinine

Life in UK is far worse than in the US.
Maybe you haven't heard about people who have to postpone much-needed operations because of the enormous queue.
NHS in England is collapsing.
About the quality US I'd speculate but again beats UK by a landslide.
Corruption, crime. Everything on the rise in UK.

They are not even comparable.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

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[ultramanhyata]

@luckyshot
Who is every other country blaming this on?

For ex: The Italians, South Koreans,the Germans,Spainards,Iranians?

We're not talking about cause. We're talking about response.

GWB didn't cause Katrina. But his administration's response indicated some combination of self-preservation, incompetence and disregard for human life. Critics say this is what we're seeing from Trump relative to COVID-19.

 

[drstrangelov]

Yeah well, the chance to vote for a guy like Bernie, who was actually willing to change the system, came and went. You reap what you sow, I suppose.

Anyway I think the impact of this virus will be significantly nullified by Trump's willingness to close the borders. The big problem in Europe has been that people are just flowing in and out freely due to free movement. America fortunately has an ocean separating them from the rest, so they're not going to have to welcome any new virus carriers to their country, unless they want to.

I don’t know if the last two weeks will meaningfully change things. This could pull Biden left, or prop Sanders up. The downside is that neither guy has yet stepped up to act like a leader.

 

[TheGreatA]

I don’t know if the last two weeks will meaningfully change things. This could pull Biden left, or prop Sanders up. The downside is that neither guy has yet stepped up to act like a leader.

I don't think Biden is ever truly going to be "pulled to the left". For sure, he might pretend to adopt some more progressive policies and make false promises, because he's a lying, sleazy motherfucker with no conscience, but that's one old dog who's not going to be learning any new tricks. History tells. He's a corporate goon, and will likely remain that way. At every given opportunity, he has voted for status quo, for things to remain as they are. Are we supposed to believe that he has suddenly seen the light at nearly 80 years of age?

Bernie on the other hand is just a man completely incapable of exploiting an advantage whenever such an opportunity presents itself. Chalk that up to his egalitarian beliefs, I suppose. The guy's just not a winner. No competitiveness whatsoever, no leadership. All criticisms which were spelled out about him a long time ago. This pandemic is basically a gift from the gods to elevate and highlight his criticisms about health-care, yet what has he done about it? Nothing, but basically setting up a Biden victory, by acting like he has already lost.

The way things are, Trump might still be headed towards a 2nd term, despite the virus seemingly obliterating such chances.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Yep. It's Trump fault that there is a global pandemic.

It's his fault he completely ignored it, pretended it wasn't happening, and appointed an anti-science religious zealot to handle it.

The virus at large isn't his fault, what is his fault is an incompetent response that exacerbated market fears.

 

[Cid]

LOL just noticed this.....down to personal attacks? Not a good look my man. Not at all..

Genuine question. You made an assertion and when challenged you went on a tangent about yourself that had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

In fact you still seem to struggle with what the subject at hand is.

It seems that rather than actually thinking the american political system is the best like you've asserted you've basically just gotten defensive about the first thing you perceived as anti american and made a statement that not only is incorrect but probably not even an opinion you have.

And then you've gotten defensive about it being challenged and then gone on some other tangent about how good the country is because what you really meant when you said best system in the world was.

"America is the best, don't you say anything bad about her you commie"

 

[west42]

The Onion isnt really a good place to get educated about the US. I get the impression that where ts has gotten a lot of his info.

 

[zebby23]

Imagine a world where you still support a person who flat out lies about testing for Coronavirus? Big beautiful tests?? Incompetent Don has been lying for weeks now and his sheep love him for it.

There isn’t a higher level of TDS than Trump voters.

WHERE ARE THE TESTS??