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Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

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So basically the American political system is the best because you live in america and enjoy it?


Honestly I'm good with ending the conversation here.

I'm sure you are.

However because of the fact I live here and can say first hand that it's great....where do you live? What do you have to compare it to? Have you ever been here?

I'm much more about seeing than just believing. As an example I'm a "historian" in a sense and often times find local elders words much much more accurate than what a text book tells me. What the textbooks provide us and what reality is are unfortunately often time completely different. Have you ever experienced that?
 
Yet still the best system in the world.

Are you from the US?


We can't give all of our citizens healthcare or decent wages. So no. It is not the best system in the world. We get our asses handed to us in many categories. Like economic mobility, healthcare, education, etc etc.
 
CDC tested 0 people yesterday, public hospitals tested 8. Other countries with 1/10th the population are testing thousands a day. Think about that.
Is there a reason for the CDC to "test thousands", and the CDC is saying no?
 
Trump has been using the stock market as a measure of his own success

Saying he understands the economy better than anyone

I wonder what he has to say now

Yep. It's Trump fault that there is a global pandemic.
 
We can't give all of our citizens healthcare or decent wages. So no. It is not the best system in the world. We get our asses handed to us in many categories. Like economic mobility, healthcare, education, etc etc.

First off kudos for not immediately opening with personal attacks, that's a first for us.

I know what you mean, but show me somewhere better. I'll immediately cede to you on education....we have a problem there without question. But the rest? Please give some examples.
 
What it shows for Italy if America is "broken"? They have like 1000 dead, and 15113 infected? Not to mention their total population is far less.
How many deaths do you have in the US? I guess not a lot.
America is doing fine.
 
Trump lives or dies by Corona response.

This far looks like he is gunna die.
 
It's true, but on the other hand, he has been in rooms with the best fantastic people on this, and they tell him that it's really bad but nothing to worry about.
Check out the video in my signature, hes got it all under control.
 
What it shows for Italy if America is "broken"? They have like 1000 dead, and 15113 infected? Not to mention their total population is far less.
How many deaths do you have in the US? I guess not a lot.
America is doing fine.
No no no, our agencies don't want to do their jobs and want Americans to die! Panic!
Paaaaaniiiiiic!!!

It's the only sensible thing left to do.
 
But hey, at least we've been dismantling the deep state to own the libs.

Oh, and by the way, the amount of money the Fed injected into the Stock Market yesterday to achieve nothing almost covers the total amount of student loan debt in the US.


America Is Broken

What we are seeing right now is the collapse of civic authority and public trust at what is only the beginning of a protracted crisis. In the face of an onrushing pandemic, the United States has exhibited a near-total evacuation of responsibility and political leadership — a sociopathic disinterest in performing the basic function of government, which is to protect its citizens.

Things will get worse from here. According to a survey of epidemiologists released yesterday, the coronavirus outbreak probably won’t peak before May. That doesn’t mean it will be over by May, of course, but that it will be getting worse and worse and worse over the next two months, and for much of that time, presumably, exponentially worse. And so the suspension of the NBA season and Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson’s announcement that they are sick with COVID-19 will seem, in relatively short order, like quite small potatoes. And for all of that time, the country’s response will be commanded and controlled by Donald Trump.

Trump is, of course, the last man in the world you would want in charge right now. In an extremely illuminating interview with Gabriel Debenedetti published this morning, Obama’s Ebola czar Ron Klain described his response to that threat, which he suggested was a relatively good model for how the U.S. might have responded to this one. That response began with 10,000 public-health workers sent to fight and investigate the disease. This administration has sent none, which means it has been, practically speaking, flying blind about the nature of the coronavirus and the challenges it represents to public-health systems. In fact, it’s worse than that; for all intents and purposes, the administration hasn’t been flying at all, spending the last three months sitting by entirely idle and indifferent, rather than scaling up testing regimes, issuing protocols, and preparing for a major surge of patients by developing contingency plans to expand hospital capacity around the country wherever it became needed. If reading about Ron Klain makes you wish he was still in charge, you are surely not alone. But the bigger issue isn’t that he has been replaced by a less competent figure. It’s that Trump had eliminated the office of pandemic response entirely, so that until he appointed Mike Pence — who had bungled Indiana’s response to an HIV crisis a few years ago — no one in the White House even had a pandemic disease portfolio. Why? It is hard to even imagine the reason, aside from the fact that the office was established under Obama and that this president has operated with such reflexive spite and even sadism toward anything his predecessor had touched, whatever the costs to the country—and even his own supporters.

It was just last night, in his disastrous speech, that Trump finally seemed to even take the outbreak seriously, and yet he seemed only capable of conceiving a “response” in terms of border control and tax cuts. This is a particular disease of the president’s, but it is also a representative one: Our leaders have spent so long focused on the value of economic growth they are likely to try to respond to any crisis, even a deeply urgent humanitarian one, as an economic problem to be solved with stimulus. What about hospital beds?


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...VcY7YbcFOZX9fUC1L2pnj8uIKPtkrhKyqER21FzdFw2Tg

Maybe rename your other misleading thread before making another one doofus.
 
But hey, at least we've been dismantling the deep state to own the libs.

Oh, and by the way, the amount of money the Fed injected into the Stock Market yesterday to achieve nothing almost covers the total amount of student loan debt in the US.


America Is Broken

What we are seeing right now is the collapse of civic authority and public trust at what is only the beginning of a protracted crisis. In the face of an onrushing pandemic, the United States has exhibited a near-total evacuation of responsibility and political leadership — a sociopathic disinterest in performing the basic function of government, which is to protect its citizens.

Things will get worse from here. According to a survey of epidemiologists released yesterday, the coronavirus outbreak probably won’t peak before May. That doesn’t mean it will be over by May, of course, but that it will be getting worse and worse and worse over the next two months, and for much of that time, presumably, exponentially worse. And so the suspension of the NBA season and Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson’s announcement that they are sick with COVID-19 will seem, in relatively short order, like quite small potatoes. And for all of that time, the country’s response will be commanded and controlled by Donald Trump.

Trump is, of course, the last man in the world you would want in charge right now. In an extremely illuminating interview with Gabriel Debenedetti published this morning, Obama’s Ebola czar Ron Klain described his response to that threat, which he suggested was a relatively good model for how the U.S. might have responded to this one. That response began with 10,000 public-health workers sent to fight and investigate the disease. This administration has sent none, which means it has been, practically speaking, flying blind about the nature of the coronavirus and the challenges it represents to public-health systems. In fact, it’s worse than that; for all intents and purposes, the administration hasn’t been flying at all, spending the last three months sitting by entirely idle and indifferent, rather than scaling up testing regimes, issuing protocols, and preparing for a major surge of patients by developing contingency plans to expand hospital capacity around the country wherever it became needed. If reading about Ron Klain makes you wish he was still in charge, you are surely not alone. But the bigger issue isn’t that he has been replaced by a less competent figure. It’s that Trump had eliminated the office of pandemic response entirely, so that until he appointed Mike Pence — who had bungled Indiana’s response to an HIV crisis a few years ago — no one in the White House even had a pandemic disease portfolio. Why? It is hard to even imagine the reason, aside from the fact that the office was established under Obama and that this president has operated with such reflexive spite and even sadism toward anything his predecessor had touched, whatever the costs to the country—and even his own supporters.

It was just last night, in his disastrous speech, that Trump finally seemed to even take the outbreak seriously, and yet he seemed only capable of conceiving a “response” in terms of border control and tax cuts. This is a particular disease of the president’s, but it is also a representative one: Our leaders have spent so long focused on the value of economic growth they are likely to try to respond to any crisis, even a deeply urgent humanitarian one, as an economic problem to be solved with stimulus. What about hospital beds?


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...VcY7YbcFOZX9fUC1L2pnj8uIKPtkrhKyqER21FzdFw2Tg

You can say most of this while not blaming Trump. He HAD to play ball, and a lot of these particular decisions you don't like come from the those surrounding the office that would still be there no matter who was in there. If you think Joe Biden would have done much different to different effect, or Hillary, you are an idiot. You may be right about "America," but it's 99.9% less Donald Trump's fault than you are pretending. That's been our system for well over 40 years, dude. Trump won because people were tired of the system establishment politics and politicians created, whether he was single-handedly strong enough (or smart enough) to institute the change that was voted for. Your corporate Dem party won't allow another shot at change this time around; they are old finance loving neocon Republicans with a side of "Shut up and be more gay and druggie everybody, and you have to love cheap labor pouring in now." - That's your hero party, dude.

It's good Trump won.. It showed those on the right can be open to real change for the benefit of people as well as some progressives claim to be.

You ruin EVERYTHING you are admirably trying to say by allowing your brainwashed TDS to blame it on him, when you have the dems showing they are OWNED 100% by those powers you are actually complaining about right in front of your face. Get off the CNN, and wake the fk up.
 
His legacy (10,20,30, etc. years from now) is going to be either very bad or non existent considering he's passed/accomplished absolutely nothing notable that can outlive his time in office.
 
And yes, other countries have better, more organized healthcare systems designed to benefit the whole instead of profiting.
 
Is there a reason for the CDC to "test thousands", and the CDC is saying no?
Yes, we don't have the tests available.

Meanwhile countries like South Korea made a completely new machine in 2 weeks using supercomputers and got it approved in a week. It can test 1 million people a week at under $20 a test. Meanwhile we tested 8 people yesterday, and the tests cost like $3000 each.

FDA says it needs to go through a lengthy approval test though, and it's illegal in the USA. They have laws in place to expedite approval during pandemics like this in Korea, hence it got approved in a week. It could take years for the FDA to approve in the US though..

People in Korea, EVERYONE, gets medical coverage. We have millions of people that are uninsured living paycheck to paycheck that can't even afford the $200 to go to a doctor..

Our system is broken, no other way to put it. And Trump's recent ideas to fix it? Take away coverage from people with pre-existing conditions... jesus, man. Luckily that never passed. In Trump's America, if you got lung damage from this shit you wouldn't even be able to afford health insurance anymore.. fucking lmao. Our system is so broken.

Before there were any cases of novel coronavirus confirmed in South Korea, one of the country's biotech firms had begun preparing to make testing kits to identify the disease.
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Without the computer, it would have taken the team two to three months to develop such a test, said Chun. This time, it was done in a matter of weeks.
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The next hurdle was getting the test approved for use. It can take a year-and-a-half to submit the necessary documents to South Korea's authorities and get it approved.
This time, it took a week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html
 
Who was talking about your life?

The subject was whether or not the american democratic system was the best as you said it was.

I said your assertion was wrong.


Generally this is where you provide an argument/evidence to affirm your assertion.

Instead you've gone on some weird tangent about your life.

Going senile Old Man?

LOL just noticed this.....down to personal attacks? Not a good look my man. Not at all..
 
You can say most of this while not blaming Trump. He HAD to play ball, ..
No, Trump did NOT have to propose taking health insurance away from people with pre-existing conditions. Luckily Congress voted that down. Imagine that congress had passed that Trump policy a few years ago and then you got lung damage from this corona virus, so now you have a pre-existing condition. lmao.

He COULD have proposed real healthcare reform. His party had control of both houses of Congress. He would be looking like one of the best presidents of all time right now if he had. Instead, he proposed shit like that.
 
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