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Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

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My criticism, from the start, was about the continuous cuts to the CDC and other public health services, even disaster response related public health services, as recently as February.

That's all well and good. Doesn't mean that you just criticized the travel ban for being too late, and you're now trying to pretend you didn't.

Again, this is why nobody gives a shit what people like you think.
 
Not really, Gene. Much of what we’ve seen has been very unusual. Take, for example, the persistent and public pressure on the Federal Reserve. We no longer have an independent Fed.

Im certainly not an economist and consciously don’t pay much attention to specific details..It’s simply my understanding and my experience that the shitshow that is financial system keeps getting deeper and deeper into dept..
The entire system is nothing more than a game designed to manipulate and control the masses..

 
That's all well and good. Doesn't mean that you just criticized the travel ban for being too late, and you're now trying to pretend you didn't.

Again, this is why nobody gives a shit what people like you think.

The travel ban was objectively too late. It's already here, and it was probably already here in February.

Championing the travel ban as some success when it's already too late seems a bit pointless to me.
 
The travel ban was objectively too late.

Not according to the geniuses at the WHO, and your own Libtard brigade who were calling it racist at the time, and telling everyone to frolic around in Chinatown, to prove how not racist they are.

Again, nobody cares what people like you think. You just parrot whatever zero credibility Liberal rag you read.
 
Why are you dodging a simple question?

If this COVID-19 panic is a product of Big Pharma propaganda and not of the risks posed by the disease itself why wasn't H1N1 exploited by BP in the same way? Why didn't H1N1 produce the same national responses?
I posted in my previous response, H1N1 was exploited
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-vaccine-idUSTRE5BG2PD20091217

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...scare-swine-flu-claims-Euro-health-chief.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/big-business-swine-flu/story?id=8820642

https://www.rt.com/news/swine-flu-false-pandemic/

bruh, how old were you when you joined in 2010?

as for your second question, there was no travel ban because we didnt have a president that likes travel bans. But to act like there wasnt mass hysteria around H1N1 is not being truthful.

 
Wasn't there one regarding China? I'm not talking about the Europe one.

Yeah, but the Trump administration cut the CDC budget AFTER the China travel ban.

So the outbreak was serious enough to ban travel... but not serious enough to fund domestic response agencies?
 
Yeah, but the Trump administration cut the CDC budget AFTER the China travel ban.

So the outbreak was serious enough to ban travel... but not serious enough to fund domestic response agencies?
I'm sure they have a massive budget and still could have done their jobs. I think it was a bad move to cut funding at that time. Very republicanesque in his timing, Joe.
 
It doesn't seem possible for any sort of "leader" to have a worse response than Trump has, so far.

And this is my point. There's no explanation for exactly what Trump hasn't done that he should have or what makes him different from any other leader of the other nations who are not being criticized for what they apparently failed to do.

This is why people won't fall for it.
 
See, but the latter doesn't seem to contain exactly what Trump was supposed to do differently. Just criticism.

Is Joe Schmoe on the internet obligated to come up with a plan? POTUS comes with unmeasurable responsibility. Harry Truman used to have a plaque on his desk that read, “The buck stops here.” President Trump is blaming Obama on Twitter. Criticism should be understandable when POTUS is repeatedly misleading on television.

We will see what he says today. In
my opinion, he should have accepted some responsibility and done so publicly. Not childishly tweeting at the Fed or blaming Obama.
As for concrete action? In my opinion, he should not have publicly minimized the dangers not made blatantly false claims about test kits. He should have set an example by having himself tested (along with Pence). He should have appointed a professional to lead the task force, not VP Pence. The travel bans were a good idea poorly executed; they need to be comprehensive and not political. Excluding Britain was absolutely ridiculous. Trade needs to be temporarily restricted if not halted. Schools need to be closed.

The White House is choosing the easy wrong over the difficult right; the Public good is being sacrificed to prop up an economic bubble. One of Trump’s strengths is that he has demonstrated political courage in the past, but now he just seems to care about reelection.
 
Swine flu 2.0. The hysteria the media and government has created and exacerbated is criminal. I'm sure all of this will work out for the powerful in the long run, 1.5 Trillion to the stock market, potentially foreclosed homes due to job losses, big money for whoever creates this vaccine, etc. The pandemics always seem to be less severe than originally though, and the powerful seem to make a pretty penny off of them. Funny how that all works out
 
I posted in my previous response, H1N1 was exploited
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-vaccine-idUSTRE5BG2PD20091217

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...scare-swine-flu-claims-Euro-health-chief.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/big-business-swine-flu/story?id=8820642

https://www.rt.com/news/swine-flu-false-pandemic/

bruh, how old were you when you joined in 2010?

as for your second question, there was no travel ban because we didnt have a president that likes travel bans. But to act like there wasnt mass hysteria around H1N1 is not being truthful.



I was a grown man during H1N1. I can barely even recall it beyond seeing it mentioned in the news. It had ZERO practical impact on my Iife. Meanwhile, every public school in the state was just closed by the governor. And I live in fucking SD.

If you can't see how the night and day difference between the response to H1N1 and the response to COVID-19 completely shatters your theory about this coronavirus fear being a corporately manufactured, for-profit panic, you are truly beyond help. You're operating in Tower 7 land.
 
And this is my point. There's no explanation for exactly what Trump hasn't done that he should have or what makes him different from any other leader of the other nations who are not being criticized for what they apparently failed to do.

This is why people won't fall for it.

Availability of testing, restrictions on domestic travel, cancellation of public gatherings, social distancing. His failure to do any of this will be his downfall if this gets anywhere close to as bad as it’s gotten in Italy.

For sake of comparison, what happens to Trump’s reelection campaign if most of the country survives relatively unscathed, but Florida ends up looking like northern Italy?

That’s one state, with a pretty good health care system, an elderly population, and no reported cases until yesterday. If nobody in Florida really had the virus, no problem, containment kicked into gear this week in the private sector, maybe it’s not too late. But, late last week Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville put its COVID-19 management plan into place. The health care industry saw the trend before the testing began. Tourist activity was ongoing, nobody was quarantined, business as usual. Meanwhile, you’ve got a large elderly population, bigger than normal due to snowbirds, who weren’t being informed enough of their risk to take adequate precaution.

Add to that an estimated 100k underreported infections in Ohio, that could mean thousands dead even with a conservative mortality rate. Another swing state, looking for someone who let its voters die due to lame inaction.

Trump’s not projected to win the popular vote, if he fucks this up any worse, he’s gonna lose the election, and deservedly so.
 
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This attempt by the media and certain politicians to create a huge panic while at the same time calling people racist for things like avoiding Chinese restaurants is kinda hilarious.
 
Swine flu 2.0. The hysteria the media and government has created and exacerbated is criminal. I'm sure all of this will work out for the powerful in the long run, 1.5 Trillion to the stock market, potentially foreclosed homes due to job losses, big money for whoever creates this vaccine, etc. The pandemics always seem to be less severe than originally though, and the powerful seem to make a pretty penny off of them. Funny how that all works out
I took a stock course a few years back, and what I learned is that you cant fight the powers that be, just jump the bandwagon and enjoy the ride. Stocks took a dump and there are inverse ETFs that anyone can buy if you wanted to ride that wave. I've put money in a safer method, on the way back up, a bit premature. I also have a war chest fund waiting for housing to tumble......
 
how tasteful is crow?

What crow?

My initial criticism from the start here was how the Trump admin CUT funding to the CDC AFTER it was well known this was going on and has cut funding EVERY year since he took office.

The travel ban is close to pointless if the virus is already here and domestic response agencies are woefully under-prepared.
 
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