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fortheo said:
I know, but despite common sense, there were still people who called her a gold digger or suggested it was about money. I shared that article which went further into detail about how dumb such claims are for them.
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That's only one guys opinion and it leaves out an important element. We don't know if Conor ever offered to reach a settlement with her.
But, we do know a settlement would have made headlines too.
 
lsa said:
based on the evidence it should have been.
Back when it happened a lot of us was baffled when it did not.

Also rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove in this case we have DNA, EMTs and doctors testifying for the victim.

There is a case in Sweden, a guy just got out of jail.
Dude is one of the worst serial rapists in Swedish history IIRC.
Dude was accused of sexual assault / rape of 24 (yes 24) women, but only got done for 5 rapes. He got 5 years...

He got out a little while ago even though the higher ups in the prison warned that he has been misbehaving the whole time and he is dangerous.
He still got released..

A few weeks after the take off the ankle monitor he rapes a teen girl and are now back in custody..

What I am saying is rape cases are not always taken seriously.
24 rapes only go downs for 5 and only gets 5 years prison time...
Then rapes as soon as its possible for him when released.
And this is in Sweden where if you put your finger in a girls vayay without consent its rape / sexual assault.

Is it hard to believe a famous guy with money and connection manage to kill a potential trial, in a country where it seems to be notorious (pun intended) hard to get to trial for rape?
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Are you Swedish?
 
lsa said:
based on the evidence it should have been.
Back when it happened a lot of us was baffled when it did not.

Also rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove in this case we have DNA, EMTs and doctors testifying for the victim.

There is a case in Sweden, a guy just got out of jail.
Dude is one of the worst serial rapists in Swedish history IIRC.
Dude was accused of sexual assault / rape of 24 (yes 24) women, but only got done for 5 rapes. He got 5 years...

He got out a little while ago even though the higher ups in the prison warned that he has been misbehaving the whole time and he is dangerous.
He still got released..

A few weeks after the take off the ankle monitor he rapes a teen girl and are now back in custody..

What I am saying is rape cases are not always taken seriously.
24 rapes only go downs for 5 and only gets 5 years prison time...
Then rapes as soon as its possible for him when released.
And this is in Sweden where if you put your finger in a girls vayay without consent its rape / sexual assault.

Is it hard to believe a famous guy with money and connection manage to kill a potential trial, in a country where it seems to be notorious (pun intended) hard to get to trial for rape
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Also, one reporter spoke about sexual assault cases being still fairly taboo in Ireland still. It's getting better, but it's still an issue. Because these are often closed communities where this kind of scandal is too broad and women abuse is not easy to report.

People forget that most places in the world do not make it easy for a woman to seek justice after assault. Ireland is very conservative.
 
SpamuraiSensei said:
That's only one guys opinion and it leaves out an important element. We don't know if Conor ever offered to reach a settlement with her.
But, we do know a settlement would have made headlines too.
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Not sure about the rules in Ireland, but at least in the U.S. you'd probably never hear about a settlement because it would most likely include a nondisclosure agreement that the courts would enforce. I'm guessing Conor's settled quite a few cases in this fashion. At least in the U.S., the failure to reach a settlement in cases like this is usually due to the victim refusing to sign an NDA.
 
Ares Black said:
What a scumbag loser move
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I can't remember exactly what, but I'm pretty sure I've seen "Upfront MMA" post some absolute bullshit before that other users posted thinking it was actual news. Just bottom barrel behavior

Could be wrong though. Lot of garbage on Twitter
 
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SpamuraiSensei said:
That's only one guys opinion and it leaves out an important element. We don't know if Conor ever offered to reach a settlement with her.
But, we do know a settlement would have made headlines too.
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It's not only one guy's opinion -- it's the opinion of nearly every person who works in the legal system that I've seen discuss this case. Also, settlements out of court very rarely make headlines as they are considered private matters and not a part of public record. Conor had every incentive, plenty of time, and plenty of means to try to settle out of court privately. The victim, if after money, also had incentive to settle. That fact that there was no settlement only feeds into the rumors of her turning down such offers since Conor had absolute zero reason to want this to go to court -- zero. A very basic amount of critical thinking can lead people to deduce that she took considerable financial risk in pursuing this case, and for relatively little potential financial gain.

The "money grab" excuse just holds next to no weight for anyone thinking this through.
 
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This certainly puts the UFC in a tough situation with him still having 2 fights left on his contract. They would be hard pressed to try and promote a fight for him and would must certainly get a huge amount of negative media coverage if they did. It would just be a public relations nightmare. But if they release him he'd certainly find work quickly somewhere else in a less reputable organizations that wouldn't be a concerned about his behavior. I'm sure BKFC would set up a fight for him immediately. And the boxing world certainly is less concerned about such things. So the the UFC is somewhat between a rock and a hard place.
 
fortheo said:
It's not only one guy's opinion -- it's the opinion of nearly every person who works in the legal system that I've seen discuss this case. Also, settlements out of court very rarely make headlines as they are considered private matters and not a part of public record. Conor had every incentive, plenty of time, and plenty of means to try to settle out of court privately. The victim, if after money, also had incentive to settle. That fact that there was no settlement only feeds into the rumors of her turning down such offers since Conor had absolute zero reason to want this to go to court -- zero. A very basic amount of critical thinking can lead people to deduce that she took considerable financial risk in pursuing this case, and for relatively little potential financial gain.

The "money grab" excuse just holds next to no weight for anyone thinking this through.
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I believe I did see a report of her turning down a settlement, which was estimated to be around the amount she was awarded
 
cws80us said:
This certainly puts the UFC in a tough situation with him still having 2 fights left on his contract. They would be hard pressed to try and promote a fight for him and would must certainly get a huge amount of negative media coverage if they did. It would just be a public relations nightmare. But if they release him he'd certainly find work quickly somewhere else in a less reputable organizations that wouldn't be a concerned about his behavior. I'm sure BKFC would set up a fight for him immediately. And the boxing world certainly is less concerned about such things. So the the UFC is somewhat between a rock and a hard place.
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The UFC will quietly keep offering Conor fights that they know he'll never take so his contact doesn't expire early. They'll consider accepting a buyout of his contact if someone offers enough money. It's not really that tough of a situation for them.
 
JBJ was here said:
The UFC will quietly keep offering Conor fights that they know he'll never take so his contact doesn't expire early. They'll consider accepting a buyout of his contact if someone offers enough money. It's not really that tough of a situation for them.
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They won't do the bolded until he's 45. There's no way they'll just up and offer the competition their biggest draw (and he still is even though he's cancelled and can't fight at this point).

I'm sure they'll offer him another fight and he may actually take it now that his other sources of revenue have gone belly up.

After that though they'll freeze his contract because he has 2 fights left and that will be his last.
 
MarioLemieux said:
They won't do the bolded until he's 45. There's no way they'll just up and offer the competition their biggest draw (and he still is even though he's cancelled and can't fight at this point).

I'm sure they'll offer him another fight and he may actually take it now that his other sources of revenue have gone belly up.

After that though they'll freeze his contract because he has 2 fights left and that will be his last.
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Conor's contract will expire before he gets that old. I believe that the UFC contracts are currently limited to five years to avoid anti-trust concerns. I don't think the UFC would accept a buyout if Conor came with a PFL contract offer in hand, but if some organization that's not an actual competitor were offering a $5M+ buyout I think they'd be reasonably likely to take the deal, especially if the deal included an agreement not to mention the UFC or use UFC footage/photography in connection with Conor. Free money is free money.
 
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krelianx said:
Except this case is not particularly ambiguous. There is simply no good explanation as to how Nikita Hand sustained those injuries other than being battered and raped.

What plausible alternative explanation is there?
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eh maybe im a terrible judge of character but i dont believe conor intentionally "battered and raped" her.

i think this is more of a consequence of rough sex and sleeping around and two consenting adults drunk and high off their asses. the same evidence point toward she was raped can point toward they had rough multi position sex with slaps and chokes involved which last time i spent some time in the dating pool a majority of women i met seemed to be into... rough sex slapping and choking. Literally women saying fuck me harder please hit me please choke me and a reason i always declined this type of sex is the amount of people who use this as bait to play victim in the end idk if there really is anyone i could trust in this context with out a lawyer present lol.. happened to alex too.


if you honestly see conor as someone who if someone didn't consent and kept say no and trying to get away he would force them to stay and hold them against their will even if they were in pain and crying and trying to escape than thats your opinion on him. i think the dudes nuts but hes not someone who would do that. thats my opinion on him. neither of us really know.
 
dogsdonutsdragons said:
eh maybe im a terrible judge of character but i dont believe conor intentionally "battered and raped" her.

i think this is more of a consequence of rough sex and sleeping around and two consenting adults drunk and high off their asses. the same evidence point toward she was raped can point toward they had rough multi position sex with slaps and chokes involved which last time i spent some time in the dating pool a majority of women i met seemed to be into... rough sex slapping and choking. Literally women saying fuck me harder please hit me please choke me and a reason i always declined this type of sex is the amount of people who use this as bait to play victim in the end idk if there really is anyone i could trust in this context with out a lawyer present lol.. happened to alex too.


if you honestly see conor as someone who if someone didn't consent and kept say no and trying to get away he would force them to stay and hold them against their will even if they were in pain and crying and trying to escape than thats your opinion on him. i think the dudes nuts but hes not someone who would do that. thats my opinion on him. neither of us really know.
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You are talking out of your ass. The doctors and reporters that saw the pictures of her injuries said this were beyond what they had seen. There is a difference between rough sex and battery. She had a tampon encrusted into her vagina that had to be surgically removed. Conor denied that any of those injuries came from his intercourse with her.

You have clearly not read or heard the briefing of the case.
 
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