Concern About Power Lifting Regimen

[John L Sullivan]

I fully, FULLY, believe that if I lift in the way recommended by people in the S&P I will get stronger. I have no doubt about that. There is ample evidence here to back it up.

HOWEVER, as a person interested in grappling/striking/MMA competition, I am worried that if I lift in the way commonly accepted by people on the S&P, in addition to the strength I add I will add weight, which will bump me into higher weight classes, which I don't want.

My evidence for this is that it happened when I pursued a program made for me by Carnal.

Am I wrong in thinking that I should pursue a regimen that makes me as strong as I can be at my current weight? And wouldn't this actually be the bodyweight regimen so often denigrated on this forum?

I guess this can descend into flames, but I have been on this site awhile and have yet to see a compelling argument against this thinking. If there is one, I'll be squatting and deadlifting tomorrow.

 

[dexter c]

Change in weight is linked more to what you eat than how you train. If you find youre gaining weight, then eat less.

Insert obligatory flame here.

 

[Barut]

You will not gain weight unless your caloric intake is greater than calories burned.

 

[John L Sullivan]

You will not gain weight unless your caloric intake is greater than calories burned.

But am I going to make gains in my DL and squat if I don't increase my caloric intake/muscle mass?

 

[takeahnase]

I don't see how weight training per se leads to weight gain. All else equal weight training will lead to weight loss, due to caloric expenditure and an higher ****bolic base rate. There are weightlifters that sit in the <56, 63, 69, 77 etc. weight classes for years without bumping up. If you are gaining weight then eat less and decrease volume.

 

[takeahnase]

But am I going to make gains in my DL and squat if I don't increase my caloric intake/muscle mass?

I haven't gained weight in around a year and I am as skinny as they come. My lifts have increased during the same period. Of course, they would have increased more if I had gained weight.

 

[Barut]

Don't infer causation. SWH powerlifters are big, but powerlifting did not make them big. Eating like Zero did. Basketball players are tall and really tan, but playing ball did not cause that.

 

[hunto]

Don't infer causation. SWH powerlifters are big, but powerlifting did not make them big. Eating like Zero did. Basketball players are tall and really tan, but playing ball did not cause that.

^^^^^^^^^^^
All them big words.


Don't eat so much. Run more.

 

[Ziltoid]

from my personal experience...I followed the 5x5 and ate like a maniac to gain weight. I went from 165 to 197 in about a year or less. Once I got to 197...I cut my weight down to 180. I still lifted as heavy as I can but the diet was key.

 

[thethirddiaz]

You will not gain weight unless your caloric intake is greater than calories burned.

This is true. However, John, your concern is valid as it can be difficult to limit eating while lifting heavy.

Also, not all BW training is derided here. Ross's stuff is a lot of BW (with a few tools) and is considered great for fight training.

If you don't have a fight coming up, I wouldn't worry about weight too much. If you are worried about it, look up Ross.

 

[John L Sullivan]

I haven't gained weight in around a year and I am as skinny as they come. My lifts have increased during the same period. Of course, they would have increased more if I had gained weight.

Right. And also, with the idea of bodyweight exercises, I'm training to throw guys of approximately my own weight around, so wouldn't things like pull-ups and one-hand push-ups best prepare me for that specific task, since I'm throwing myself around? Do I really need to deadlift 640 to takedown a 190 lbs. guy? Admittedly, it wouldn't hurt, but is that the most effective use of my time?

 

[Donut62]

But am I going to make gains in my DL and squat if I don't increase my caloric intake/muscle mass?

Increases in neural efficiency. A bigger muscle can be a stronger muscle, but making a muscle stronger does not require an increase in cross section unless you are extremely well trained and experienced. At the end of day weight it's all about what you take in, and what you burn for energy. If the latter is equal or greater than the former you won't gain weight.

 

[Barut]

Right. And also, with the idea of bodyweight exercises, I'm training to throw guys of approximately my own weight around, so wouldn't things like pull-ups and one-hand push-ups best prepare me for that specific task, since I'm throwing myself around? Do I really need to deadlift 640 to takedown a 190 lbs. guy? Admittedly, it wouldn't hurt, but is that the most effective use of my time?

I really like pullups, but I think explosive movements like cleans and push presses/power jerks are better for building the ability to throw people.

 

[John L Sullivan]

This is true. However, John, your concern is valid as it can be difficult to limit eating while lifting heavy.

Also, not all BW training is derided here. Ross's stuff is a lot of BW (with a few tools) and is considered great for fight training.

If you don't have a fight coming up, I wouldn't worry about weight too much. If you are worried about it, look up Ross.

I use Ross, I use Bas's MMA workout, and like I said, a lot of modified push-ups and pull-ups. The powerlifting thing just doesn't add up to me. Maybe Barut is right, maybe because they all just look big I infer it. I put on mass easily (does that make me an endomorph? ectomorph?) so maybe it's just my individual, anecdotal experience.

 

[WinterIsComing]

Simple solution is to increase your cardio in order to burn off the increased calories. Then not only are you getting stronger but your improving your gas also. The best of both worlds.

 

[takeahnase]

Right. And also, with the idea of bodyweight exercises, I'm training to throw guys of approximately my own weight around, so wouldn't things like pull-ups and one-hand push-ups best prepare me for that specific task, since I'm throwing myself around? Do I really need to deadlift 640 to takedown a 190 lbs. guy? Admittedly, it wouldn't hurt, but is that the most effective use of my time?

Nobody here can answer that for you.

 

[dexter c]

Nobody here can answer that for you.

*Scratches chin*

Take, if a tree falls in the woods...

 

[takeahnase]

I hear everything.

 

[ChaseT.]

Playing basketball makes you tall and black. Lifting weights makes you strong and fat.

 

[John L Sullivan]

Nobody here can answer that for you.

I mean, I have answered it. I'm currently not doing those things. I just don't understand why others have come to a dissimilar conclusion.