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Combating PEDs
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Im not grasping..
I know what happened..
No sanctions where brought against them cuz it was easily proven back to the meat source...aka no abuse or cheating...as i said theres protocols around the meat situation
Ur acting like eating tainted meat is gunna be what people do to cheat? Like what??
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Right but it's right back into the "Tainted" territory which is apparently rampant.
Not saying that's what they would do at all...jus that such exists.
Your making a huge thread while reaching at tangents and little if any visible research.
Not saying that's what they would do at all...jus that such exists.
Your making a huge thread while reaching at tangents and little if any visible research.
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War on PEDs is just like war on drugs. Its dumb and unnecessary. People already woke up to how war on drugs was a bad idea, but it seems like everyone needs another 50 years to see how antidoping is absolutely useless.
Bunch of brainwashed morons.
Bunch of brainwashed morons.
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Ya lets just get rid of all the laws....and rules for everything...cuz its not necessary and only morons think otherwise...free murder...drugs...theft and assault for everyone..why bother ...its useless to have laws cant stop it...
Right? .
Like what kind of laziness is this
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The amounts in the meat which does trigger the tests doesnt equate to the same levels as an abuser theres a range and number frequency that appears on the tests..its not a simple yes or no positive test...
If someone has low numbers but pops and then supplies meat that has the tainted substance in it then it can just be chalked up to poor meat quality/ingestion and the fighter must choose wiser next time...nobody is testing like a chael sonnen 5 times the amount of a normal man in testosterone because of tainted meat
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Comparing proffessional athletes taking PEDs to murder/theft/assault
Take meds bro.
Maybe one day you will wake up from your midnight dream about "clean and fair sports" it never will be that way deal with it.
Only way to make it fair is to let everyone take what they want.
As a fan, there is LITERALLY no reason to support antidoping.
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Its breaking the law...and the rules..
Murder is illegal
So is take PEDs..
It cant be rules for one and not for others...
The principle is the same...
And its not that outlandish to have a clean sport lol .. literally a few changes and few more dollars at the problem and it's achievable..
As a martial artist myself and a fan i absolutely would want a clean sport
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The fact stands "Tainted" is simply a open door and will be used or cause grey areas that can then be further exploited.
What I proposed isn't madness if you wish to prevent PEDs in sports to an almost certainty, the proposition doesn't near absurdity and would be the strongest form of argument one could provide in support of your position. I'm done replying after this post as it's clear you are emotionally inclined and aren't willing concede on the absurdity of throwing more money down the drain simply to maintain the charade of a clean sport, which is what these companies already do. I don't know if you are aware, but sporting as you view it in the UFC, and many other places is a fucking business, no one is going to dump the absurd amount of money, of which you still haven't accounted for, simply to keep morons like yourself feeling good about their "clean" sport, of which is only clean on the surface because you can't account for every single thing a fighter will do.
Also, if you can, please account for some estimate of costs for at least 12 fighters for random blood testing 4 times a month. LOL Account for that and get back to me, I would love to see it, put some effort into your argument outside of just spouting your opinions.
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Smoking weed is illegal therefore its immoral and evil.
Yes, it cant be rules for one and not for others. Thats why everyone should be allowed to take PEDs? What you say you don't like is what's happening atm. Some people take (like usman or costa) and others don't.
Again, wake up from your brainwashing and come to the realization that u just compared murder, to athletes taking PEDs.
If creatine was on the PEDs list would you also be against it? There are some peptides that are not on the banned list. But you don't have a problem with them, why? They are more effective than some of the things that are on the prohibited substances list.
you've been brainwashed.
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Ok man.. then ban them too...
Too bad u ate shit meat...
There tainted meat problem solved??
Like its not that hard bro...if you test positive ur in shit...
Everyone should be aware of whats going into there bodies....theres no excuse..
U could let the meat slide cuz it can easily be proven but if u dont want to...then dont ...fuck.em they should of know what there ingesting at all times
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I mean I support the cause - I just see it as lost at this point.
Who is going to do this? Again... No One... The sport is nested and pollouted.
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I think the way it works now is fine, people will always juice but having USADA means they can't just go nuts with it and it doesn't become an arms race of who's prepared to put the most shit in their body.
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Theres no information out there unfortunately for the cost of USADA tests but ive seen drug tests pricing ranging from $60 to $300 , online that test for many PEDs and drugs in general...
Ur talking about a company in the UFC thats making hundreds of millions year after year and ive already suggested ways they could offset costs for the testing...
But yes...money is more important i forgot...
The all mighty dollar ...and then everything else lmfaoo
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I compared those who broke the law to those who also broke the law..
Sorry the severity of the crime somehow clouds ur judgement...
But whats wrong is wrong... simple as that
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The whole PED subject is complex, confusing and often hypocritical at times. In horse racing for example, these young horses break their legs and die all the time and there is actually medication you can give to prevent that, but that medication is not prohibited in racing. They say "all that matters is the safety of the athletes (horses)", just like they also say in the UFC with the fighters, but there are indeed medications to help recovery, the health and well being of fighters that are illegal. In racing they also say "it's not natural", but neither is riding a horse, keeping it in a stall all day or selectively breeding them for speed alone......just like it is not natural to fight another human being in a cage in front of thousands of people.
I guess it's a question of where we draw the line and what hypocrisy we are alright with and what the priorities truly are (i.e. fighters health/well being vs purity). There is no doubt that the UFC has a two tiered justice system tho: the Jon Jones Justice system and the Tom Lawlor Justice system.
I guess it's a question of where we draw the line and what hypocrisy we are alright with and what the priorities truly are (i.e. fighters health/well being vs purity). There is no doubt that the UFC has a two tiered justice system tho: the Jon Jones Justice system and the Tom Lawlor Justice system.
It is to the businesses, you dumb fuck, if you want them to hold fighters accountable for drug usage, retract your dollar, get enough to do it on similar grounds and the business will conform. It doesn't bother me because merit, from a philosophical point of view, is a joke in sporting and a near impossibility to achieve. I'm watching a business provide competition for paying spectators, nothing more. Honestly, you need to pick up some books, your reasoning is incredibly shit, do you want some starters?
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It is to greedy people* ..
Fixed that for you...
As i mentioned before and in my O.P if the UFC wanted too ..key word being Wanted to....they could try my suggestion..
But to make a clean sport is not some impossible feat . .it just takes more work and money then a corrupt money first based business would do..
Just like grass fed sustainable beef was thought to be impossible years ago and is on a steady rise now...because its not impossible it just act differently then the original business model of force feeding cows and giving them all kinds meds and hormones for growth...for profits only fuck everything else..
Sometimes whats easiest isnt the best way...but ya..
Some people have morals others dont..
