Combating PEDs

[filthynumber1]

What does that mean?
Stop with all injections?

So no hydrocortisone, no triamcinolone, methylprednisolone, stem cells, b12, Matrix metalloproteinase??

This is what I'm talking about. People are shockingly naive about peds in sports!

Sorry I meant that's the end of the line.
Injecting steroids.
No better or more effective way.
It's the pinnacle of steroids

Or so I've heard

And yes sports are dirty as fuck

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I used to be real naive and 'no ped' purist. I think the best thing would be to let them openly juice, just give them a list of sanctioned (and safer, if such a thing exists) juices.I just don't know the value of oral vs subcutaneous vs intravenous vs however else a person can juice. Could be a mitigating factor honestly. Then if they still go outside the line they can have a life ban.

I think a lot of supplements that are already legal are likely very good too.

I definitely don't want one fighter for sure juicing and one fighter not. Does need to be equal in that regard.

But this kind of thinking doesnt fix the problem..

Its literally the single white mom in her thirties approach to parenting with the whole hands up in the air...what am i gunna do with him... Approach...


Allowing peds would simply mean it would become even more unequal and even more dangerous as without restrictions we are gunna see guys fly off the reels with this shit... Look at pro bodybuilding over the years we had guys like arnolds era and before who dipped into some stuff and trained well and took what they Needed...then fast forward to the 300 plus pounds guerilla freaks we have now on stage...that is what happens when you allow humans to regulate themselves...

Fairness can not be obtain through allowance..there will always be someone pushing farther

 

[filthynumber1]

But this kind of thinking doesnt fix the problem..

Its literally the single white mom in her thirties approach to parenting with the whole hands up in the air...what am i gunna do with him... Approach...


Allowing peds would simply mean it would become even more unequal and even more dangerous as without restrictions we are gunna see guys fly off the reels with this shit... Look at pro bodybuilding over the years we had guys like arnolds era and before who dipped into some stuff and trained well and took what they Needed...then fast forward to the 300 plus pounds guerilla freaks we have now on stage...that is what happens when you allow humans to regulate themselves...

Fairness can not be obtain through allowance..there will always be someone pushing farther

You make a fair point but humans have gone to far into the abyss, in all aspects of life. Corrupt for the money
I'm not sure we'll make it as a species tbh
But I'll be dead and long gone before extinction

 

[Fergelmince]

I don't think a major sport around the world truly wants to rid themselves of PED use by the athletes. They want an equilibrium where the athletes use it to create the spectacle fans want to see, at the same time create the illusion they are policing PED use to protect athletes. Its a big game. It will never go away.

 

[Kryptt]

You make a fair point but humans have gone to far into the abyss, in all aspects of life. Corrupt for the money
I'm not sure we'll make it as a species tbh
But I'll be dead and long gone before extinction

One of the main reasons I live as hedonistically as I can (within reason).

I think we will survive and replenish... We are difficult ta stamp out apparently.

 

[Blank7]

Its all about the level of commitment you want to do ..

Yea does that mean the UFC may not make as much 100s of millions each year ...yes...but it also means the sport is safer and fairer for everyone...and Taking PEDs isnt seen as a necessary choice for those who want to compete .. cuz not every athlete wants to use whatever they can for an advantage what disparaging remarks..im a martial artist and someone who wanted to do my first MMA fight before covid blew up the world and i can tell u I have never and will never use PEDs...not all athletes cheat

This whole mandate that what is has to remain and nothing can change that is why the world is as messed as it is. ..

Let me give you an example of what it would take to have a clean sport, from my perspective, you will likely find it absurd but it only hurts your current approach if you do.

1. Any couple that decides to have a child must also have their child monitored from conception to birth if they intend to allow that child to compete at any point in life, any children considered after the fact are barred from competition, we start early just so they don't pull in BS in utero.
2. From birth we monitor the child 24/7 throughout development to ensure the parents or any investors don't try to pull anything before they reach the competitive age. Also have to monitor the mother for obvious reasons.
3. Starting at the competitive age we carry over the monitoring, not a second goes by that isn't accounted for. If little johnny even tries to step on a tack that has been lined with a fraction of juicy juice, we will know about it and he will be flagged and barred from ever competing again.
4. We manage their foods, drinks, etc., so that no one is getting an external edge through any means, don't want any horsemeat getting through
5. We carry that level of monitoring over to the sport that they decide to compete in and it is maintained throughout the entirety of their career, 24/7 monitoring.

Who can we even trust not to breach rules with so much on the line? We don't know yet but everyone involved will be monitored 24/7 just to make sure they don't cheat, have to try something. How much does all of that even cost? I don't know, just print the money even if we end up with inflation rates that would make Venezuela blush.

But look, even with all of those precautions, any reasonable person would still conclude that we can only ensure, to the best of knowledge a ~99% likelihood, that's 99% not 100%, that we have prevented cheating (PEDs) from entering sports. Sounds absurd? Not really, not if you truly wish to prevent PED usage in sports, but that is what it will take for that sweet 99% that keeps us sleeping at night. With that in mind, do you see why I find it silly to dump money towards preventing PED usage with what we currently deal with, which is the opposite of what I have outlined as being necessary to achieve 99%? And you want to do it to secure a 10-30% likelihood of clean competitors? Yeah forget about it, how about we just hire a cheaper USADA to keep the average moron thinking their sport is clean? Do they really even care? I wonder if there was this much bitching during Pride FC where no would flag when it was handled outside of the US, pretty sure people just enjoyed the spectacle.

 

[filthynumber1]

One of the main reasons I live as hedonistically as I can (within reason).

I think we will survive and replenish... We are difficult ta stamp out apparently.

Maybe your right. But humans won't change until we absolutely have too.
Millions and even billions will be gone than maybe
This scene nails it

 

[filthynumber1]

my thought is that fighters should just not do them!

:^ )

Let's say your in the ufc, or any sport for example. You know you and your opponent are pretty much even on skills and abilities.
But if you dont take these peds you'll lose and with the high probability that your opponent is taking it, what do you do? Not take it and get your ass kicked.

Easy to say I wouldn't do it bc it's wrong but if your actually in the situation you would think different. And I bet you dollars to cents you would do it.
Otherwise you'll lose.

Now with USADA you gotta be careful. But theres ways around USADA

 

[icemun]

Sorry I meant that's the end of the line.
Injecting steroids.
No better or more effective way.
It's the pinnacle of steroids

Or so I've heard

And yes sports are dirty as fuck

A lot of steroids are administered orally.

Some steroids for recovery are acceptable
Some over the counter supplements are banned

It's not black and white

 

[filthynumber1]

A lot of steroids are administered orally.

Some steroids for recovery are acceptable
Some over the counter supplements are banned

It's not black and white

Yup.
And It's a fine line between use and abuse

 

[1s1k]

Okay so I have a new theory about how the UFC could combat PEDs if they were serious about getting rid of it and that would be to start getting the gyms involved in the penalties associated with PEDs so for instance if a fighter from AKA is caught with PEDs then the gym will also receive a fine against them just like the fighter will and this will put the onus on the gyms to know what is going on with their guys and to nip this at the butt at the problem which is pre-fight not post fight right now you get introuble for post fight what u should be really get in trouble for what you do pre-fight as well the the gyms need to be more involved in stopping PEDs cuz that's where the PEDs start in training...

So lets forget personal responsibility and put the onus on someone else who didn't do anything.

If you get a DWI I think your boss should get fined. Sounds like you would like socialism.

 

[wwkirk]

Okay so I have a new theory about how the UFC could combat PEDs if they were serious about getting rid of it and that would be to start getting the gyms involved in the penalties associated with PEDs so for instance if a fighter from AKA is caught with PEDs then the gym will also receive a fine against them just like the fighter will and this will put the onus on the gyms to know what is going on with their guys and to nip this at the butt at the problem which is pre-fight not post fight right now you get introuble for post fight what u should be really get in trouble for what you do pre-fight as well the the gyms need to be more involved in stopping PEDs cuz that's where the PEDs start in training...

Nah, let em juice, Man!

 

[Paolo Delutis]

So lets forget personal responsibility and put the onus on someone else who didn't do anything.

If you get a DWI I think your boss should get fined. Sounds like you would like socialism.

Bars can be sued so can entertainment venues if they over serve people who then drive home drunk and kill someone...even households


I never removed the blame from fighters who use...im merely adding the gyms into that loop too to further push the need to control it...

 

[1s1k]

Bars can be sued so can entertainment venues if they over serve people who then drive home drunk and kill someone...even households


I never removed the blame from fighters who use...im merely adding the gyms into that loop too to further push the need to control it...

That's just as stupid. Some people can drink a shit ton and not show how drunk they are yet could leave and kill someone. If you are one of those people how would a bar know if you had 10 beers before you showed up to their bar. The penalty should always fall on the person breaking the law/rules.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Let me give you an example of what it would take to have a clean sport, from my perspective, you will likely find it absurd but it only hurts your current approach if you do.

1. Any couple that decides to have a child must also have their child monitored from conception to birth if they intend to allow that child to compete at any point in life, any children considered after the fact are barred from competition, we start early just so they don't pull in BS in utero.
2. From birth we monitor the child 24/7 throughout development to ensure the parents or any investors don't try to pull anything before they reach the competitive age. Also have to monitor the mother for obvious reasons.
3. Starting at the competitive age we carry over the monitoring, not a second goes by that isn't accounted for. If little johnny even tries to step on a tack that has been lined with a fraction of juicy juice, we will know about it and he will be flagged and barred from ever competing again.
4. We manage their foods, drinks, etc., so that no one is getting an external edge through any means, don't want any horsemeat getting through
5. We carry that level of monitoring over to the sport that they decide to compete in and it is maintained throughout the entirety of their career, 24/7 monitoring.

Who can we even trust not to breach rules with so much on the line? We don't know yet but everyone involved will be monitored 24/7 just to make sure they don't cheat, have to try something. How much does all of that even cost? I don't know, just print the money even if we end up with inflation rates that would make Venezuela blush.

But look, even with all of those precautions, any reasonable person would still conclude that we can only ensure, to the best of knowledge a ~99% likelihood, that's 99% not 100%, that we have prevented cheating (PEDs) from entering sports. Sounds absurd? Not really, not if you truly wish to prevent PED usage in sports, but that is what it will take for that sweet 99% that keeps us sleeping at night. With that in mind, do you see why I find it silly to dump money towards preventing PED usage with what we currently deal with, which is the opposite of what I have outlined as being necessary to achieve 99%? And you want to do it to secure a 10-30% likelihood of clean competitors? Yeah forget about it, how about we just hire a cheaper USADA to keep the average moron thinking their sport is clean? Do they really even care? I wonder if there was this much bitching during Pride FC where no would flag when it was handled outside of the US, pretty sure people just enjoyed the spectacle.

What the fuck r u talking about man...

Birth monitoring??

How about this... simple ,direct and straight to the point is the often the best way...

Fighters are tested every month atleast twice a month randomly ...no set testing...100% random up to 4 times in any given month aka once a week but minimum of two times in one month

If your caught your fined and then banned if more then once and your team/coaches are fined as well and if they continue to have fighters who get busted they will be banned from having competitors in the UFC...


Your talking about some next level shit thats not even relevant ... Like PEDs are just floating around and could accidentally get in u while you grow up...you have to choose to take them....it doesn't just happen...like drinking and driving u have to choose to get drunk and then choose to drive... Its a choice .


All that would change from now to accomplish it ..is higher testing frequency and costs...but those can be offset with stiffer fines and penalties for offenders...or even have sponsors help cover those costs ..

Ur talking madness

 

[Kryptt]

Like PEDs are just floating around and could accidentally get in u while you grow up...

Are foods ever contaminated with substances prohibited in sport?

Most foods pose an extremely low risk of contamination with a prohibited substance, and the food supply in the United States is good enough that athletes should not need to worry about food contamination with PEDs. However, livestock in other countries are sometimes treated with anabolic agents for growth, and there have been examples where consumption of such meats cause positive anti-doping tests [Thevis, 2013]. The World Anti-Doping Code has provisions in it that allow for fair treatment of the athlete in cases of accidental ingestion of contaminated meats. Athletes traveling overseas, or consuming meats that may have been imported from overseas, should be aware of these risks.

https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/foods-safer-than-supplements/

 

[Paolo Delutis]

That's just as stupid. Some people can drink a shit ton and not show how drunk they are yet could leave and kill someone. If you are one of those people how would a bar know if you had 10 beers before you showed up to their bar. The penalty should always fall on the person breaking the law/rules.

At the end of the day its the law... And bars have been sued and lost to overconsumption laws...

Im from Canada not sure where else this applies

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Are foods ever contaminated with substances prohibited in sport?

Most foods pose an extremely low risk of contamination with a prohibited substance, and the food supply in the United States is good enough that athletes should not need to worry about food contamination with PEDs. However, livestock in other countries are sometimes treated with anabolic agents for growth, and there have been examples where consumption of such meats cause positive anti-doping tests [Thevis, 2013]. The World Anti-Doping Code has provisions in it that allow for fair treatment of the athlete in cases of accidental ingestion of contaminated meats. Athletes traveling overseas, or consuming meats that may have been imported from overseas, should be aware of these risks.

https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/foods-safer-than-supplements/

Really dude ... Ud have to eating quite abit of that tainted meat to get to the levels of abuse ..and they have protocols in place for these type of situations...

Ud be able to prove this quite easily....it cant be abuse if thats a local food source situation u have to eat as a human...and no1 eating enough of whatever tainted meat and staying healthy enough to remain effective as a fighter

 

[Kryptt]

Really dude ... Ud have to eating quite abit of that tainted meat to get to the levels of abuse ..and they have protocols in place for these type of situations...

Ud be able to prove this quite easily....it cant be abuse if thats a local food source situation u have to eat as a human...and no1 eating enough of whatever tainted meat and staying healthy enough to remain effective as a fighter

It's documented fighter's popped from said meats already...

 

[Paolo Delutis]

It's documented fighter's popped from said meats already...

Ok... And what happened to said fighter