Elections Clinton vs. Trump Polls thread, v2

Who wins Florida on election day?

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Slippery Kantus said:
Why don't you try and be above the Left vs Right bullshit ruining our society.
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I try to, but it's difficult when there's such a hard line and most people who are running to be in charge are pandering to their voting base, thus making it a "one or the other" scenario. We can't pretend like it isn't even worth having the conversation. I posted a Gary Johnson meme a little while ago, if that helps.
 
nostradumbass said:
I try to, but it's difficult when there's such a hard line and most people who are running to be in charge are pandering to their voting base, thus making it a "one or the other" scenario. We can't pretend like it isn't even worth having the conversation. I posted a Gary Johnson meme a little while ago, if that helps.
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It's all good mate, I just think we should rise above it and lead by example, it really is the only way we can progress. Hopefully a 3rd party wins it and puts an end to this Blue v Red team politics shit.
 
Not sure this is really fair. University students are overwhelmingly democrats, and they go on to become an educated "elite" which tend to end up in important positions in society and end up contributing a lot of tax dollars. I doubt they suddenly become Republican upon leaving university. The Democrats attract a lot of intelligent, capable, well earning people, so this black and white presentation is, again, not really fair.
 
You're ignoring about 50- 60% of the voting population who doesn't fit into any of those categories.

Would just be easier if you flat out and said what you really want to say
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
You're ignoring about 50- 60% of the voting population who doesn't fit into any of those categories.

Would just be easier if you flat out and said what you really want to say
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What, that the takers vote democrat and the givers vote republican?

ehtheist said:
Not sure this is really fair. University students are overwhelmingly democrats, and they go on to become an educated "elite" which tend to end up in important positions in society and end up contributing a lot of tax dollars. I doubt they suddenly become Republican upon leaving university. The Democrats attract a lot of intelligent, capable, well earning people, so this black and white presentation is, again, not really fair.
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If every voter had to show that they paid taxes, no election would be close.
 
7437 said:
For a breakdown that is less of a crock of shit, the Roper center.

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


People makign less than 50k, union people, people with some college education or a postgrad degree, people under 44, anyone not strictly white, and women tend democrat.

People making over 50k, people over 44, and white people lean republican.
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Really...the cut off is 50k (average)

Figured it would've been at least 75
 
7437 said:
For a breakdown that is less of a crock of shit, the Roper center.

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


People makign less than 50k, union people, people with some college education or a postgrad degree, people under 44, anyone not strictly white, and women tend democrat.

People making over 50k, people over 44, and white people lean republican.
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That's not contradictory. Funny the "under 50k" numbers are almost exactly the same as the "people under 29" numbers.

It also said 93% of blacks voted for Obama. Were those mostly policy-based in your opinion, since you wanted to bring race into the discussion?

The question was how many of which group actually turn out to vote. The college kids are around 44%, and I don't even know why they are even allowed to vote.
 
nostradumbass said:
Voter turnout is possibly the single biggest factor in who wins an election. Which demographics are more likely to identify with which party, and how likely are they to vote?

Senior citizens and small business owners are both more likely to identify as republican. 18-24, who either don't work or are just starting their career are overwhelmingly democratic, welfare recipients the same. Small business owners and senior citizens have become republican. Criminals also tend to be democrats, though not as much voter turnout from that group. How can libs claim any moral high ground when their voting base is all people who contribute nothing and just want more free shit?
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It's pretty funny how you start off trying to have an informative thread based on demographic realities, very straight-backed, pencils, pens and charts, and by halfway through the second paragraph, it's like you've oozed onto the floor holding an empty bottle and making ethnic slurs.
 
Fawlty said:
It's pretty funny how you start off trying to have an informative thread based on demographic realities, very straight-backed, pencils, pens and charts, and by halfway through the second paragraph, it's like you've oozed onto the floor holding an empty bottle and making ethnic slurs.
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Quote an "ethnic slur", please.
 
nostradumbass said:
That's not contradictory. Funny the "under 50k" numbers are almost exactly the same as the "people under 29" numbers.

It also said 93% of blacks voted for Obama. Were those mostly policy-based in your opinion, since you wanted to bring race into the discussion?

The question was how many of which group actually turn out to vote. The college kids are around 44%, and I don't even know why they are even allowed to vote.
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It says in the link what percentage of the electorate each group occupies. Under 29 is 19% of the electorate. People making under 50k is 41% if the electorate.
 
nostradumbass said:
If every voter had to show that they paid taxes, no election would be close.
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Meh, doesn't take away from my point. Wouldn't surprise me if "If every voter had to show they were educated past highschool, no election would be close" going in the other direction, but saying something like that is just some attempted smear job on a part of the voter base which has a valuable voice worth hearing. The whole point of a modern Democracy is that everybody gets heard, not that we start valuing people based on things like income and all that.

But ultimately, what is your end game here? Are we going back to a "wealthy landowner" standard for Democracy? Is this just some general smear against the low-income voters? Wouldn't you say that the low earners are an important part of our Democracy as well? Not trying to put words in your mouth, but what are you really getting at with this thread?
 
7437 said:
well, median income is 40, 638 so that is a majority of people in the USA.

http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/p60/252/table5.pdf

75k would be halfway through the 4th quintile, that would be a disaster if that was all the GOP could appeal to.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/household-income-quintiles
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Well from an economic standpoint, I figured people make 50k would still be benefiting from liberal child tax credit initiatives and such. I just based 75k on the studies indicating that's the minimum income for financial content.

Plus cons still have the religious and gun crowd.
 
ehtheist said:
Meh, doesn't take away from my point. Wouldn't surprise me if "If every voter had to show they were educated past highschool, no election would be close" going in the other direction, but saying something like that is just some attempted smear job on a part of the voter base which has a valuable voice worth hearing. The whole point of a modern Democracy is that everybody gets heard, not that we start valuing people based on things like income and all that.

But ultimately, what is your end game here? Are we going back to a "wealthy landowner" standard for Democracy? Is this just some general smear against the low-income voters? Wouldn't you say that the low earners are an important part of our Democracy as well? Not trying to put words in your mouth, but what are you really getting at with this thread?
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It wouldn't? I'd be very surprised by that. I think high school dropouts are overwhelmingly democrats, and everything I've read suggests the same. The notion that republicans are just "rednecks voting against their interest" is just another political trick and is simply not true. I only know like 2 responsible adults who still vote democrat.

I'm only pointing out that voting for a candidate demanding higher taxes is very easy if it doesn't apply to you. If the "lower class" suddenly went away, the democrats would take a lot harder hit than republicans.

They don't have to be wealthy, but landowners don't seem to vote in numbers that they should. With just 2 parties, it becomes a game of "givers vs takers", and there isn't really a question of which society could do without.
 


A Republican bragged about his numbers going up in Utah and Arizona

This is an actual thing that happened during this election.
 
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LogicalInsanity said:
LOL! I'm not playing a victim card...

let's you and I conduct an experiment. let's you and I walk with Trump Tee shirts in downtown Seattle...let's see what happens.
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Not my problem you're afraid of being laughed at by a transgender granola unicorn.
vertical_leap said:
Like how you leave out Florida a key swing state.
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Trump is losing florida in every poll taken in the past month but one. His tweet is simply wrong.
 
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So how can republicans claim a moral high ground when their voters are just corporate crooks who rigged the economy, christian theocrats who want to use their religion to oppress the rights of others, and white school shooters who hate government? Why do you take in all the polluters who deny the damage they do to the environment, and science denying fools who profit from environmental destruction by fracking? Why is it that republicans attract kooky people like blatant racists and "tea party" types? Wow, you guys sure have a moral high ground, don't you? Seems like you are standing in a glass house, throwing stones. Typical behavior of members who subsribe to The Conservative Movement.
 
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