Opinion China metro compared to UK & US metro

[A Very Serious Cat]

Nobody wants to spend money on mental health and the homeless.

I'd rather tax money going towards making public transport safer and nicer than many other things they waste it on

 

[USA!USA!]

It seems obvious but I think the point people make about how its all relatively new for them compared to older infrastructure in places in the US and UK/Europe.

Easier to build when you are starting from scratch. Definitely a pro to being late to the game as a developing nation.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I'd rather tax money going towards making public transport safer and nicer than many other things they waste it on

It's probably an interesting economics study. The amount of productivity loss from people stuck in vehicle traffic is probably some rather astronomical number. And even if it's not productivity loss, there's likely some intangible effect of time that could be spent with family or doing other things is lost to being stuck in rush hour traffic.

Intuitively I feel like the investment more than pays for itself but there are some special interest groups blocking things that government can't overcome (unlike China). But I could be wrong.

 

[The J0ker]

I don't know what his strategy is in all of this or if he will even acquire Greenland, but realistically, if the Greenlanders want to be apart of the states, it's really up to them. If Trump starts waving all sorts of cash ( more than what Denmark gives them) and citizenship to all the Greenlanders , are they gonna say no? I doubt it.

Even the natives in Canada don't want to split with the crown because they get too many benefits from being in a developed nation. You think the Greenlanders won't want some help in the icebox they're living in?

New opinion poll shows 85% of Greenlanders do not want to join US

Despite Donald Trump claiming the island’s population ‘want to be with us’, Greenlanders overwhelmingly rejected the idea

www.theguardian.com

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

New opinion poll shows 85% of Greenlanders do not want to join US

Despite Donald Trump claiming the island’s population ‘want to be with us’, Greenlanders overwhelmingly rejected the idea

www.theguardian.com

Any idea how many people were polled?

 

[The J0ker]

Any idea how many people were polled?

”The survey was conducted by Verian for Danish newspaper Berlingske and Greenlandic media Sermitsiaq between 22 January and 27 January 2025.

It is based on web interviews with 497 representatively selected citizens in Greenland aged 18 years or older and is weighted by gender, age, region, and party choice in the last Greenlandic parliamentary election in 2021.”

Virtually no Greenlanders want to join the US, new poll finds - Euractiv

Only 6% are in favour of becoming part of the US.

www.euractiv.com

It really shouldn’t be surprising that they’re not crazy about selling out their national and cultural identity.

Edit: I’m just gonna pre-empt any ignorance, feigned or otherwise, about how polls work and note that 497 out of Greenland’s total population of 57k is well within the threshold of a statistically significant sample.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Seems like there's been just a continuous stream of dunks by China on the US (and the West in general) lately.

Is there anything (good) the US is pulling ahead of China on?

- WWE, TNA and AEW!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- I've never entered a train

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Hey now, look on the bright side. At least we have Sesame Street in Iran and LGBT themed comics in Peru.

- That's a great show!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

With questionable safety and building regulations in China I don't think I would trust that the recent additions to the infrastructure are going to be serviceable let alone still standing in 15-20 years. I'd be happy to be wrong because man, what a fucking waste a lot of that would be.

- A old structure still standing most than 100 years late, is a pretty strong feat of construction. So the NY sub has passed the test of times.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

”The survey was conducted by Verian for Danish newspaper Berlingske and Greenlandic media Sermitsiaq between 22 January and 27 January 2025.

It is based on web interviews with 497 representatively selected citizens in Greenland aged 18 years or older and is weighted by gender, age, region, and party choice in the last Greenlandic parliamentary election in 2021.”



It really shouldn’t be surprising that they’re not crazy about selling out their national and cultural identity.

Edit: I’m just gonna pre-empt any ignorance, feigned or otherwise, about how polls work and note that 497 out of Greenland’s total population of 57k is well within the threshold of a statistically significant sample.

Not really convincing if I'm being honest but here's another article to mull over saying the opposite.

Let me know if it links I'm on mobile and the site is weird (sherdog)

 

[LeonardoBjj]

And despite all this, Chinese people are still desperate to leave China for the West, and Westerners are never trying to get into China.

- They have a subpar standart of living. Theres a report of a man, whose autorities let his kid, i think a kid with mental problemns, die, while they took the man to jail.

 

[Hog-train]

^ what a dishonest photo with no source or date. Btw China is hosting the Asian Winter Games 2025 in Harbin right now and it's wonderful.

Why are you constantly sucking CCP/China dick on these forums? You Chinese?

 

[Flower2dPeople]

There's a lot of Westerners living in China. There's an endless number of Youtube channels by Western people living there.

Tons who can't cut it in their western countries. Teaching English, doing white monkey jobs and CCP stooges.

 

[Hdfi]

Why are you constantly sucking CCP/China dick on these forums? You Chinese?

No, I just like to see the huge Copium.

 

[nonoob]

I've come across some instagram accounts from westerners shilling for China. They only say positive things while there are Chinese people criticizing their posts.

There's almost "lots" of everyone in most countries. But lets not be disingenuous; there's a lot more flow of migration going to western countries than the other way around.

True, but China be got dem dam Szechuan Skrimps and kickass Egg Roll joints.

Szechuan Shrimp: Authentic Recipe! - The Woks of Life

Szechuan Shrimp is a classic Chinese takeout restaurant dish. A spicy, tangy Szechuan sauce packs a ton of strong flavors on top of tender baby shrimp.

thewoksoflife.com

 

[lsa]

Not really convincing if I'm being honest but here's another article to mull over saying the opposite.

Let me know if it links I'm on mobile and the site is weird (sherdog)

"Patriot Polling only receives a 1 star rating out of three.

The survey noted it’s the first time the group has conducted a poll outside of the U.S. It was also conducted during a visit made by Donald Trump Jr., the president-elect’s son."

"Patriot Polling was founded in September 2022 by Lucca Ruggieri, becoming the first polling firm in the United States to be founded by a high school student."


Would not be my got to poll.

Also Greenland is planing to vote for independence with in the next 4-5 years.
They have been working towards independence since the late 1970ties.

 

[The J0ker]

Not really convincing if I'm being honest but here's another article to mull over saying the opposite.

Let me know if it links I'm on mobile and the site is weird (sherdog)

Patriot polling LMAO. I looked at their website and not only did they use a smaller sample, there is also also no information whatsoever on how the interviews were performed or how the participants were selected. They've never before conducted a poll outside the US and has a 1 star rating, "based on historical track record and methodological transparency" on 538. This is what you're upholding against a major Greenlandic newspaper?

Edit: Isa got to it first I see.

 

[wolffanghameha]

IMO the UK is afraid to spend the money needed to make money. The growth of the economy is in the shitter (even more so if excluding London. Other OECD countries don't get the same drop if you exclude their most economically productive city) because they didn't fund healthcare, social services, public transport, employment training and housing properly for over a decade. Those all have knock on negative effects on economic productivity: eg social services don't prevent "Adverse Childhood Experiences" that are known to have big negative effects on physical/mental health, employment and social exclusion (it's a pretty understudied economic issue, but the Lancet a year or two ago did a big study trying to estimate the economic losses due to ACEs in European countries - it was a loss equalling about 2.7% of the European economy. Another study found it to be 3.5% in North America); poor healthcare means lower productivity due to sick days and lower productivity of workers who are working but hindered by a treatable ailment; low investment in adult skills training or removing hurdles to better employment (particularly poverty traps, like people unable to afford training because they don't have family support to stop working to do a full-time course and evening courses are much rarer now. Another is transport costs, considering how many entry-level jobs ask for a driving licence. DWP could so much money in the long-run and make better use of the UK's human potential by helping some long-term badly underemployed people out with that sort of thing, with loans) has lead to an underskilled workforce; poor public transit lowers access to jobs or activities that could eventually lead to economic improvements and makes everything more time-inefficient (like you want to visit family/friends, appointments or activities or whatever a 10 min drive away and it takes 50 minutes on public transit. A lot of economic opportunities come from people just trying random shit out and networking. Eg Leon Edwards trying out MMA because it happened to be local to him and it turning into a career and getting him away from crime. Barriers to engaging socially or with meaningful activities also feed into health problems); Thatcher, Blair, Cameron et al not building housing makes everyone poorer - harder to accrue capital for training or entrepreneurial risks when a shitload of your income goes ok keeping a roof over your head (look at how important land reforms were for many countries' economic rise. Instead of paying feudal land owners a bunch of their earnings, commoners could invest it into other things and put it to better use than what the average land owner would do it with it).
Also imo Liz Truss, Kwartang etc were correct, a lot of Brits have a lazy work mentality. They don't hold themselves to a high standard, for some reason. Even in schools, you have kids getting Bs who are capable of an A but they feel proud of their B. The fuck? I'm not saying you should get hung up on the past to aj unhealthy level, but if you can do better, why are you satisfied? In other cultures (Japan, Korea, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka if I have to name some) getting good grades is cool, in Britain it's cool to doss about and disrespect teachers. In the workplace, where's the conscientiousness? The thought of how your mistakes affect society, or that honesty and keeping one's word is important? Some have it, but so many have an "it's not my job/someone else should do it" attitude or no shame over overpromising and underdelivering. Government workers make fuckups and so often make zero effort to correct systems so it won't happen again, because they don't give a shit about outcomes - they just wanted a stable job. Ofc, you can't say to their face that they're being r#tarded or self-entitled, because the culture rewards it and gets their feelings hurt if you point out shortcomings or whistleblow. Not everyone, but that's the dominant culture. When people fuck up repeatedly and show no desire to correct it or prevent it from happening again or try to cover it up, they should be sacked.

Another thing is Britain was a front-runner. It's harder to build good infrastructure when you already have a bunch of it in the way and not much space. You have to both get rid of the old infrastructure and then replace it. It also means there's less impetus to build something, because we already have a C-level version of it, so we can kinda "make do for now" and put off getting A-level versions. In China they're building it for the first time, on relatively unused land. Same reason somewhere like Romania has much better internet than the UK.

China is also a one-party state. They make long-term plans and go all in on them because they're not worried about re-election or being opposed by opposition who want to water down their plans, whereas in the UK a downside to liberal democracy is our politicians need to appease the public in the short-term, so can't make decisions that cost money or sound bad short-term but will pay off later. Short-termism basically.
It's part of why our private train companies don't invest into improving their services, compared to in Japan which also is privatised - the government contracts in Japan are for 10, 20 years, but in the UK they'll be for 5 years - of you're a train company do you want to risk pumping money in for you to potentially lose the contract in 5 years and not get to profit from your investment? Another issue is we never fully privatised, it's a watered-down version of privatisation - we privatised trains but NOT the tracks, so train companies are limited in the improvements they can make to the system as a whole and whenever they have a technical issue they can't quickly resolve it internally, because they have to ask Network Rail (state company) to come and fix the track. I'm in favour of returning to UK state ownership of trains (ironically a lot of our privatised trains are owned by state transit companies of other European companies, like the Dutch or French, so we're basically helping to finance their state transit systems), but we didn't even privatise it in the optimal way (like Japan).

 

[SuperAlly]

i've used all three
- London shows its age not in the quality of the machinery but in the topology of the circuit. it's labyrinthine, built over ruins, tunnels on top of tunnels, abandoned stations, brand new ones, a patchwork that somehow still makes it work
- beijing and shanghai are different - beijing is pure workers utilitarianism. built to last a thousand years, no fancy stuff, and the trains weren't new, but built to be robust, as with everything. built to manage millions upon millions of daily users. shanghai is fancy, shiny, wide-open, modern, clean, very expensive trains, everything beams. best of the three.
- usa - NY system is rancid, in disrepair, filthy, unfriendly, unsafe, by far worst of the three. i only used if absolutely necessary.

Hong Kong and Singapore have excellent underground systems

Not really relevant to anything

Just saying