Social CCP WHISTLEBLOWER: COVID-19 Was Man Made

[Cubo de Sangre]

@Cubo de Sangre

See I agree that Trump needs an enemy outside our borders because he’s great at manipulation. A common enemy is easier to sell. His problem is that educated Americans can understand something can originate at one place but how you deal with the problem when it’s here is a completely different. If China created this and if it was released on purpose, you deal with that and then you deal with saving lives. HE’S DOING NEITHER.

Sounds pretty good.

I'll add that regardless of lab or no lab, China is clearly our enemy and America has been battling them economically under Trump.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Sure and perception is stronger than reality I’ve learned (serious comment).

Did you learn what that perception is based on, then dismissed it through evidence and reason? Or just dismissed it?

 

[Trotsky]

Why can’t conservatives direct this energy in the proper directions?

They put so much Damn effort into believing utter nonsense.


@Jack V Savage


Imagine if these people were this easily swayed by climate science. Over 90% of the worlds scientists tell you human beings are adding to climate change and these people don’t want to hear it. In fact they use CTs to wash that info down the drain.

Now this woman, without a drop of proof, is trotted out on Tucker’s show and they absolutely eat up every single thing she says.


Like I said above, if this energy was put into real science, like climate change, the issue would be tackled head on.

I realize this is kind of derailing, but this post is a good one. It's a simple observation that gets drowned out, but it's an important one: that a large part of the American right wants to use "common sense" pseudoscience to refuse overwhelming scientific consensus, yet increasingly also wants to use said pseudoscience to form conspiracies contrary to scientific consensus.

In reality, we must accept that their interest in the actual science - and in the accuracy and validity thereof - is minimal. It's literally all politics. It's not that they think they know more than actual scientists: it's that they don't care that they don't. Because truth is irrelevant. Narrative is all that matters.

 

[Ophydian]

Did you learn what that perception is based on, then dismissed it through evidence and reason? Or just dismissed it?

We haven’t come to a conclusion but at this stage it’s her place to prove it and not the other way around, that’s not how this works. Researchers have already concluded it’s not man-made. If she has new data that hasn’t been seen, some type of internal data from her time in China or can produce these suspicious changes then she’ll earn some credibility.

 

[Ophydian]

I realize this is kind of derailing, but this post is a good one. It's a simple observation that gets drowned out, but it's an important one: that a large part of the American right wants to use "common sense" pseudoscience to refuse overwhelming scientific consensus, yet increasingly also wants to use said pseudoscience to form conspiracies contrary to scientific consensus.

In reality, we must accept that their interest in the actual science - and in the accuracy and validity thereof - is minimal. It's literally all politics. It's not that they think they know more than actual scientists: it's that they don't care that they don't. Because truth is irrelevant. Narrative is all that matters.

Then like his post you stingy fuck.

 

[Trotsky]

Then like his post you stingy fuck.

Can't. I gots the dubs.

 

[Ophydian]

Can't. I gots the dubs.

Well, I expect you to go back and like it when you are off.

 

[Ophydian]

Did you learn what that perception is based on, then dismissed it through evidence and reason? Or just dismissed it?

I just remembered something and I thought I’d share it. Early on in this pandemic 4 Indian researchers claimed COVID had to be man made because they had proof it was spliced with HIV stuff (genes or proteins IDR). They presented their data and were quickly embarrassed. The “stuff” they found was not “stuff” specific to HIV but could be found almost everywhere. Let’s see what she’s got before we start telling people they might catch HIV.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

We haven’t come to a conclusion but at this stage it’s her place to prove it and not the other way around, that’s not how this works. Researchers have already concluded it’s not man-made. If she has new data that hasn’t been seen, some type of internal data from her time in China or can produce these suspicious changes then she’ll earn some credibility.

Are you pushing back against the idea that the virus was manipulated or that it may have escaped from the lab there? It's important to separate those two things for clear discussion. I've noticed the lack of it common, both in discussion and news coverage.

I just remembered something and I thought I’d share it. Early on in this pandemic 4 Indian researchers claimed COVID had to be man made because they had proof it was spliced with HIV stuff (genes or proteins IDR). They presented their data and were quickly embarrassed. The “stuff” they found was not “stuff” specific to HIV but could be found almost everywhere. Let’s see what she’s got before we start telling people they might catch HIV.

I've no science background and will ultimately need to take the word of smarter folks on those aspects.

To me it's of little importance whether or not it was genetically manipulated in their lab. I'd expect that a lab studying a virus for the purpose of combating it would do as much. The only real value of settling that question is that it would confirm the origin. Proving China was at fault and lied would change things dramatically.

Since the wetmarket story got officially tossed, what's the new theory that isn't as plausible as the bat virus researchers down the street having a mishap? Hopefully something better than the aliens from Mars theory I was confronted with earlier.

 

[Orgasmo]

Apparently this "whistleblower" got herself banned from Twitter as they deemed her to be spreading COVID misinformation.

Twitter has suspended the account of a Chinese virologist who claimed that Covid-19 was “man-made” and created in a Wuhan lab. Dr Li-Meng Yan, who claims to be a post-doctoral researcher at the University of Hong Kong School of Public Health, had her Twitter account suspended by the social media site earlier this week.

Twitter introduced a policy in May to label posts that contain information about Covid-19, which has been disputed or is controversial.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-twitter-account-suspended-wuhan-b454268.html

Tucker Calrson invited her on his show, and now his posts related to COVID-19 are flagged as false information by Facebook and Instagram.

Facebook and Instagram flagged posts from the Fox News show “Tucker Carlson Tonight” as false information on Wednesday, saying that they repeated information about Covid-19 “that multiple independent fact checkers say is false.”

The show posted a video on the social media platforms on Tuesday night with the caption “Chinese whistle-blower to Tucker: This virus was made in a lab & I can prove it.” The posts feature a segment in which Mr. Carlson interviewed Li-Meng Yan, a Chinese virologist who claims that the virus “is not from nature.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/business/media/facebook-instagram-tucker-carlson-virus-posts.html

Oh I do have to re-emphasize the fact that her "study" was funded by Steve Bannon. You right wingers sure know how do pick the best people.

The paper, "Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route," is authored by Dr. Li-Meng Yan and three colleagues affiliated with the Rule of Law Society, a group not known for its work on infectious disease. The Society was founded by Stephen K. Bannon, the former Trump advisor recently charged by the FBI for fraud, and Chinese businessman Guo Wengui, who fled China in 2014 on bribery and other charges.

The paper—a pre-print to the website Zenodo, which means it hasn't been through the rigorous peer review required to publish in scientific journals—strikes a conspiratorial tone early on, casting the debate over the origin of the virus as a battle against censorship of dissenting views and fraud. The authors provide no references to support these claims.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check...vidence-that-coronavirus-was-made-lab-1532068

 

[BIKES!]

Twitter banned her account. Jack Dorsey needs to be tried for treason and convicted. What’s the penalty again?

 

[Deleted member 267581]

I realize this is kind of derailing, but this post is a good one. It's a simple observation that gets drowned out, but it's an important one: that a large part of the American right wants to use "common sense" pseudoscience to refuse overwhelming scientific consensus, yet increasingly also wants to use said pseudoscience to form conspiracies contrary to scientific consensus.

In reality, we must accept that their interest in the actual science - and in the accuracy and validity thereof - is minimal. It's literally all politics. It's not that they think they know more than actual scientists: it's that they don't care that they don't. Because truth is irrelevant. Narrative is all that matters.

Spot on.

 

[HomeCheese]

In the video below it's dicussed why it's unlikely the virus is 100% natural.




I'm sure quite a few nations conduct research for various purposes. My view is China was conducting research and it accidentally escaped.

Brett Weinstein (an evolutionary biologist and far from a right-wing conspiracy theorist) has this guy on and the conversation was pretty fascinating. I don't have the science background to do anything but go with the most convincing story. It's dubious that the virus just so happened to turn up next to a lab working on similar ones.

They discuss this paper, but for a layman the discussion is much easier to understand.

For whatever it's worth - I'm sure and bats they were killing in the market is probably something that has been done for hundreds of years. So this virus was around all this time and goes through a significant mutation all of the sudden right by a research lab.

I've seen an interview with a scientist from Germany, his feeling was the way in which coved 19 mutated would have been an unlikely experiment. Unlikely it was intentional.

 

[jx820]

Take the partisan blinders off, and address what she claims. She's not a nobody. She's a Chinese virologist claiming the virus was man made, based on her own expertise.

I find her claim that essentially EVERY scientist with acceess to the genome is biting their tongue under chinese pressure. How could they surpress (what would have to be) 10s of thousands of voices without leaving any records that would document that it was happing and how? How would they even know all the parties they need to keep quiet? Does the Chinese govt have a list of every lab assistant and intern in every lab on earth? It seems logical there would be leaks and whistle blowers at every stage many would have access to documentation. This would have to be a global conspiracy so every participant would need motivation to take part.

If you worked at the CDC and you knew that 1) this virus is man made, and 2) you are being told to bury that truth and let the Chinese government get away with killing 200,000 Americans, would you keep quiet?


Other than that I think she should present her findings about the genome for peer review and surely hundreds of scientists will corroborate her claims within days or weeks. Others will soon replicate her findings and arrive at the same conclusions.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

For whatever it's worth - I'm sure and bats they were killing in the market is probably something that has been done for hundreds of years. So this virus was around all this time and goes through a significant mutation all of the sudden right by a research lab.

I've seen an interview with a scientist from Germany, his feeling was the way in which coved 19 mutated would have been an unlikely experiment. Unlikely it was intentional.

The wetmarket theory has been claimed false by even the Chinese government.

Since the horseshoe bats in question don't naturally reside within hundreds of miles of Wuhan, what's the new explanation for the outbreak starting there? Let's agree everything about covid is naturally occurring, that has no bearing on whether or not it was being studied in the lab. What evidence exists to its origin that's incompatible with it having been accidentally leaked? People who say it didn't come from the lab have supplied nothing to support that conclusion that I've seen.

 

[HomeCheese]

The wetmarket theory has been claimed false by even the Chinese government.

Since the horseshoe bats in question don't naturally reside within hundreds of miles of Wuhan, what's the new explanation for the outbreak starting there? Let's agree everything about covid is naturally occurring, that has no bearing on whether or not it was being studied in the lab. What evidence exists to its origin that's incompatible with it having been accidentally leaked? People who say it didn't come from the lab have supplied nothing to support that conclusion that I've seen.

Well there is the fact the anamals have been passing viruses along to humans for forever. Including the swine flu in 2010 (pigs in Mexico I think) rats the the plague, bird flu, AIDS, EBOLA, rabies and many, many other examples.

So then this is the first pandemic released from a lab? While history shows we catch shit from anamals all the time. Isn't it more of a stretch to say it came from a lab?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Well there is the fact the anamals have been passing viruses along to humans for forever. Including the swine flu in 2010 (pigs in Mexico I think) rats the the plague, bird flu, AIDS, EBOLA, rabies and many, many other examples.

So then this is the first pandemic released from a lab? While history shows we catch shit from anamals all the time. Isn't it more of a stretch to say it came from a lab?

If that's the best line of reasoning to exonerate the lab then it does little to quell suspicion. Here's why. The lab is right where the outbreak occurred. The natural habitat of the bats in question is something like 500 miles away.

As for this possibly being a first time event, how much of a stretch is it really? Here's an article about how accidents in labs aren't rare events.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly-pathogens-escape-lab-smallpox-bird-flu

Severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, had an outbreak in 2003. Since then it hasn’t reoccurred in the wild, but there have been six separate incidents of it escaping the lab: one in Singapore, one in Taiwan, and four times at one lab in Beijing.

more than 40 mishaps at specialist laboratories between June 2015 and July 2017, amounting to one every two to three weeks. Beyond the breaches that spread infections were blunders that led to dengue virus — which kills 20,000 people worldwide each year — being posted by mistake; staff handling potentially lethal bacteria and fungi with inadequate protection; and one occasion where students at the University of the West of England unwittingly studied live meningitis-causing germs which they thought had been killed by heat treatment.

Kinda seems like a stretch to assert we'll just keep dodging these bullets for eternity, eh?

 

[Andy Capp]

It's almost as if you're too dumb to realize the majority of scientists already agree that it's not man made. You do realize scientists look into how Covid-19 was originated, right?


And here's a fun Fact, she's associated with Steve Bannon, in fact the bullshit "research paper" isn't even peer review and is published on a "institute" that's controlled by Bannon. You know the guy same that has been charged with fraud for scamming Trump supporters?

Well, you know how it is with the ones who go on and on the most about the supposed gullibility of other people. I called this shit right off the bat after seeing the OP.

 

[Andy Capp]

Is she someone with inside knowledge tho? Or just happens to be Chinese and is the same as any other educated virologist expert giving their opinion on the matter with the regularly available information?

Because a whistleblower is the former and would be a much bigger deal.

Worse than either of those. A paid shill/manure spreader.

 

[lfd0311]

When she dissapears , l will believe

In no way is this a stupid post.