Law Capitol Rioter Megathread

[BIKES!]

It's not the same thing at all. In both cases, I trusted the vote counts. It's only when you get down well below the margin of error that I start to look at the result very carefully.

Bush won the entire state of Florida by less than 300 votes, that is essentially a tie and I believe that it demands scrutiny. In fact, when they did the recount, the result was even closer than the first time. When they did recounts after the election, it was determined that Gore actually won the popular vote in Florida, and therefore the electoral college.

In contrast, in the 2020 election the difference in Georgia was more than 11,700 votes. That is still close, and deserves a recount, but it's nothing like the 2000 election. And subsequent tallies still gave the state to Biden.

So I don't think the cases are at all comparable. In the 2020 election, Biden clearly won. He won both the popular vote, and the electoral college. And he won even in subsequent recounts. In the 2000 election, Gore won the popular vote whereas Bush won the electoral college. But subsequent recounts indicate that Gore actually won the electoral vote as well.

So I think I'm pretty consistent when I say that Gore won 2000 (on paper), and Biden won 2020. I think it's fine if someone says that Bush won 2000, because he had better lawyers, and the Supreme Court and the Florida Legislature on his side. I can't argue with that. And I accepted that Bush was elected president. As did Gore, who conceded immediately after the Supreme Court ruling.

The fact Al Gore invented the internet and couldn’t articulate the need for a recount in 2000 has nothing to do with an obvious shady protest lead awry in Jan 2022.

There was also much more evidence of fraud in 2020 due to the mass mail in ballots and last minute swings. I’m no CT theorist but as someone who frequents AZ and GA often, seeing each flip by a few thousand votes is quite convenient. It would be less convenient if one party didn’t campaign on “ID’s and secure elections are racist!”

 

[HereticBD]

It's not the same thing at all. In both cases, I trusted the vote counts. It's only when you get down well below the margin of error that I start to look at the result very carefully.

Bush won the entire state of Florida by less than 300 votes, that is essentially a tie and I believe that it demands scrutiny. In fact, when they did the recount, the result was even closer than the first time. When they did recounts after the election, it was determined that Gore actually won the popular vote in Florida, and therefore the electoral college.

Determined by whom? The Washington Post funded re-count? Color me surprised. It's also only determined that way, IF, the votes that were deemed invalid at the time of the election(hanging chads and all that), were allowed to count. Well guess what? They weren't. Them's the breaks. You don't get to re-invent the rules after the fact, to come up with the result you want.

I'm not saying the cases are identical. They're not. The attitudes among the people who are all "trust the process" today, but weren't in 2000(and are apparently still hanging on to it) are.

 

[Old Man]

Yeah man, a few outliers chanting something is not only literal, but also reflective of the masses of peaceful protesters there that day. I give little fucks about politics but I fear you brainwashed Yuri-bots that lap up this disgraceful political charade. Yuri really nailed the future with all these kids getting their little dick’s hard over dummies getting hilarious amounts of jail time for attending a protest that (conveniently) went wrong. Conveniently a protest riddled with Dem backed undercover Feds that won’t release anything about their participation.

But by all means continue to buy into this Orange man bad shit your MSM feeds you. The difference between the sane and the people that give a fuck about this political clown show slash diversion is the point you are missing…

I don't watch news on TV, I read. And I live in NYC, so I've known that Trump is a con-man and a piece of shit my whole life. But I don't need to read anything to know that. Anyone that has an ounce of common sense can see it. He is ridiculous and absurd. He is like the caricature of an authoritarian populist. I don't know why those in the cult can't see it. It's in the bags under his eyes, his ridiculous orange hair, and his bulbous golf body. I understand why some people fall under someone's spell, but this guy? I don't get it, he's a man-baby

As for the people that went to the capital, obviously not everyone who went there planned to overthrow the government. So the people that went to peacefully protest should be left alone or proven innocent in a court of law. And that is what has happened to them. I don't know of anyone completely innocent that has been jailed. However, treason is a serious crime. People have been executed or jailed for life in the US for that very crime. So if you go to the capital with body armor and zip ties, chant "Hang Mike Pence", assault the police, then forcibly break into the capital, I say bring out the guillotine.

 

[BIKES!]

I don't watch news on TV, I read. And I live in NYC, so I've known that Trump is a con-man and a piece of shit my whole life. But I don't need to read anything to know that. Anyone that has an ounce of common sense can see it. He is ridiculous and absurd. He is like the caricature of an authoritarian populist. I don't know why those in the cult can't see it. It's in the bags under his eyes, his ridiculous orange hair, and his bulbous golf body. I understand why some people fall under someone's spell, but this guy? I don't get it, he's a man-baby

As for the people that went to the capital, obviously not everyone who went there planned to overthrow the government. So the people that went to peacefully protest should be left alone or proven innocent in a court of law. And that is what has happened to them. I don't know of anyone completely innocent that has been jailed. However, treason is a serious crime. People have been executed or jailed for life in the US for that very crime. So if you go to the capital with body armor and zip ties, chant "Hang Mike Pence", assault the police, then forcibly break into the capital, I say bring out the guillotine.

Every lefty from NY spouts the same blather about Trump as if they knew him personally. Sure he is a megalomaniac and a hilarious narcissist but he cares about America. Probably the only politician to lose money in office…

The thing is, no matter how evil you think Trump is it’s a two party system and career political demon wretches like Biden, Clinton’s, Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler etc… are far worse for this country. There is a reason Putin waited until this dementia pant shitter was in power and why the economy is nose diving. Just because Trump is a caricature and the MSM propaganda machine fuels more hate doesn’t mean he isn’t light years better for this country than Biden.

The scariest part of all this is that despite hindsight being 20/20, the Yuri bots actually believe these past two years under Biden are better than what would have been under Trump. Yes the left is that brainwashed, racist and delusional.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

The Republicans stole the 2000 election without a single weapon, they did it with a bunch of lawyers. What the hell do you think those people went to the capital for? Why were they chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and "Stop the Steal"? Why did they go on January 6th?

i'm fairly confident that the maga muppets packed all of their LARPing gear into suitcases and flew down to DC just so that they could give nancy pelosi a hug and shake mike pence's hand and tell him just what a great job he's been doing.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

The fact Al Gore invented the internet and couldn’t articulate the need for a recount in 2000 has nothing to do with an obvious shady protest lead awry in Jan 2022.

There was also much more evidence of fraud in 2020 due to the mass mail in ballots and last minute swings. I’m no CT theorist but as someone who frequents AZ and GA often, seeing each flip by a few thousand votes is quite convenient. It would be less convenient if one party didn’t campaign on “ID’s and secure elections are racist!”

good god. how many times are we going to have to tell these chuddy chud chuds that evidence of a crime is presented and proven in a court of law. not in a youtube video, not in the kangaroo court of social media where twitter does not have the authority to resolve legal disputes or overturn presidential elections, not in a hollywood movie put together by a convicted felon trying to grift people for money to pay his fines, not in a hotel lobby where your lead attorney is covered in snot and sweating out shoe polish, and not in the parking lot of a landscaping shop across the street from the dildo store.

or let me guess. all of this "evidence" was so damning that only a crackhead pillow salesman and a convicted felon are allowed to see any of it? but i'm sure they will be putting such evidence forward in court and releasing the kraken within any day now. just not today. make sure to get your donations in to the save america team ya stupid sacks of shit. the super rich guy needs some more of your money!

and yes, yes you are a conspiracy theorist. who are you trying to fool ya maga muppet? you election fraud flat-earther's believe in wackadoodle election fraud fairy tales and stolen election fantasies fed to you by cheeto benito and his finest team of con men and grifters, that have not, and will not be proven in any court of the land for as long as you live.

and for the record, let it be known that It's now been exactly 636 days since the "stolen" election, which Diaper Don lost 306-232 to Sleepy Joe. Diaper Don's post-election litigation record remains at 1-65, and there have been exactly 0 allegations of any type of fraud that were proven on Diaper Don's behalf within any court in the land.

 

[Old Man]

Determined by whom? The Washington Post funded re-count? Color me surprised. It's also only determined that way, IF, the votes that were deemed invalid at the time of the election(hanging chads and all that), were allowed to count. Well guess what? They weren't. Them's the breaks. You don't get to re-invent the rules after the fact, to come up with the result you want.

I'm not saying the cases are identical. They're not. The attitudes among the people who are all "trust the process" today, but weren't in 2000(and are apparently still hanging on to it) are.

I'm not trying to re-litigate 2000, that ship has sailed. I also agree that once they start talking about hanging chads, it's a complete shit-show. 2000 was essentially a tie, but once all those lawyers and PACs got involved, the truth was never going to come out. Trump tried to do all the usual bullshit, and the only reason it didn't work was because it wasn't a particularly close election. However, I think he has created a blueprint for future election nonsense. So I'd say after this, elections will be much more problematic.

Saying that people said "trust the process" today and they weren't in 2000 indicates to me that you weren't alive, or too young to remember. That was an absolute shit-show. It was a way bigger deal than 2020. The lawyers, PACs, and media were having a field day. And I learned something during that election, that has proven true to this day. The GOP is way better at politics and lawyering than the Dems. So I think if you are on the Left, you've got a lot more to fear from election shenanigans than someone on the Right.

And that has born out in recent presidential elections. Since 2000 the GOP and Dems are tied in presidential elections 3-3. However, in terms of the popular vote, the Dems lead 5-1. How can you win the popular vote 5 times, yet only win the election 3 times? You can do that if you are really bad at politics.

 

[Old Man]

Every lefty from NY spouts the same blather about Trump as if they knew him personally. Sure he is a megalomaniac and a hilarious narcissist but he cares about America. Probably the only politician to lose money in office…

The thing is, no matter how evil you think Trump is it’s a two party system and career political demon wretches like Biden, Clinton’s, Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler etc… are far worse for this country. There is a reason Putin waited until this dementia pant shitter was in power and why the economy is nose diving. Just because Trump is a caricature and the MSM propaganda machine fuels more hate doesn’t mean he isn’t light years better for this country than Biden.

The scariest part of all this is that despite hindsight being 20/20, the Yuri bots actually believe these past two years under Biden are better than what would have been under Trump. Yes the left is that brainwashed, racist and delusional.

I don't like any of those politicians, so for me it comes down to a choice of the lessor of two evils. I think those people you listed are career politicians who are more interested in their lifestyle in DC and what their donors want, then helping their constituents. So I'd like to have a decent alternative to vote for. However...

Sure he is a megalomaniac and a hilarious narcissist but he cares about America. Probably the only politician to lose money in office…

Holy shit dude, you drank the Kool-Aid. Do you really believe what you just wrote? You believe Trump "cares about America"? You think that he lost money while in office? WTF? Hey, I have a bridge I'm selling that you might be interested in...

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yeah man, a few outliers chanting something is not only literal, but also reflective of the masses of peaceful protesters there that day. I give little fucks about politics but I fear you brainwashed Yuri-bots that lap up this disgraceful political charade. Yuri really nailed the future with all these kids getting their little dick’s hard over dummies getting hilarious amounts of jail time for attending a protest that (conveniently) went wrong. Conveniently a protest riddled with Dem backed undercover Feds that won’t release anything about their participation.

But by all means continue to buy into this Orange man bad shit your MSM feeds you. The difference between the sane and the people that give a fuck about this political clown show slash diversion is the point you are missing…

It went exactly according to Trump's plan. Dem backed undercover Feds? What evidence do you have for that claim?

 

[BIKES!]

I don't like any of those politicians, so for me it comes down to a choice of the lessor of two evils. I think those people you listed are career politicians who are more interested in their lifestyle in DC and what their donors want, then helping their constituents. So I'd like to have a decent alternative to vote for. However...





Holy shit dude, you drank the Kool-Aid. Do you really believe what you just wrote? You believe Trump "cares about America"? You think that he lost money while in office? WTF? Hey, I have a bridge I'm selling that you might be interested in...

Wait you really think running as POTUS helped Trump? There were fucking guards protecting his buildings in Chicago and NYC for years. People stopped staying at his hotels. It was almost free in Vegas. All his fake ass Hollywood and A list friends magically turned on him and the Dem Reich declared him a “racist.”

You really fucking think his POTUS stint helped his bottom line? Wow, I’ve got some beach front property for you in Arizona

 

[Old Man]

It went exactly according to Trump's plan. Dem backed undercover Feds? What evidence do you have for that claim?

Mentioned by Mike Pillow on an OAN segment?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

It went exactly according to Trump's plan. Dem backed undercover Feds? What evidence do you have for that claim?

tucker told him.

 

[Old Man]

Wait you really think running as POTUS helped Trump? There were fucking guards protecting his buildings in Chicago and NYC for years. People stopped staying at his hotels. It was almost free in Vegas. All his fake ass Hollywood and A list friends magically turned on him and the Dem Reich declared him a “racist.”

You really fucking think his POTUS stint helped his bottom line? Wow, I’ve got some beach front property for you in Arizona

You and me paid for those guards. He was by far the most expensive president to protect in history, mostly because he insisted that he still lived in Trump Tower. As for those other losses, yes those occurred. But I don't think the man-baby ever imagined that happening, after all he is a megalomaniac. And he more than made up for that, being the first president in history to not divest from his holdings.

Forbes estimates that he lost $200 million off his top-line due somewhat to the things you mentioned, but mainly due to Covid. However, they also estimate that his businesses took in $2.4 billion during his 4 years in office:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...years-he-served-as-president/?sh=173612b610c0

It's a grift dude. You've been bamboozled by the orange oompa loompa.

 

[BIKES!]

You and me paid for those guards. He was by far the most expensive president to protect in history, mostly because he insisted that he still lived in Trump Tower. As for those other losses, yes those occurred. But I don't think the man-baby ever imagined that happening, after all he is a megalomaniac. And he more than made up for that, being the first president in history to not divest from his holdings.

Forbes estimates that he lost $200 million off his top-line due somewhat to the things you mentioned, but mainly due to Covid. However, they also estimate that his businesses took in $2.4 billion during his 4 years in office:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...years-he-served-as-president/?sh=173612b610c0

It's a grift dude. You've been bamboozled by the orange oompa loompa.

I thought it’s orange Cheeto? Again, there is no way he financially benefited. $2.4B over 4 years sounds pathetic for a once iconic (financially speaking) brand. His friends turned enemies and the Democrat Reich and their social media army will be after him until he dies. You Yuri-bots mistake Trump’s significance every time you parrot the MSM’s insult of the day. He exposed the deep state corruption and the true evil of the Democrat Reich. Many people don’t like Trump much at all but understand his significance opening up the corruption of the Democrats Reich. Whether it was the shampeachment, CNN being exposed on video, complete burying of Joe’s Quid Pro Quo in Ukraine and Hunter’s laptop, Benghazi, Epstein/Clinton etc…

Trump was elected because he’s not a politician. He is a lot of what you say but that still makes him more trustworthy and light years better for America than creatures like Biden, Pelosi, Hillary, etc…

 

[Old Man]

I thought it’s orange Cheeto? Again, there is no way he financially benefited. $2.4B over 4 years sounds pathetic for a once iconic (financially speaking) brand. His friends turned enemies and the Democrat Reich and their social media army will be after him until he dies. You Yuri-bots mistake Trump’s significance every time you parrot the MSM’s insult of the day. He exposed the deep state corruption and the true evil of the Democrat Reich. Many people don’t like Trump much at all but understand his significance opening up the corruption of the Democrats Reich. Whether it was the shampeachment, CNN being exposed on video, complete burying of Joe’s Quid Pro Quo in Ukraine and Hunter’s laptop, Benghazi, Epstein/Clinton etc…

Trump was elected because he’s not a politician. He is a lot of what you say but that still makes him more trustworthy and light years better for America than creatures like Biden, Pelosi, Hillary, etc…

What news sources do you watch, listen to, or read? It'd be interesting to hear. I'm not trying to make fun of you, I just honestly am curious what your media diet looks like. How often do you watch TV news, radio programs, or read things on social media? Maybe you don't know, particularly about the social media consumption. That one can be tricky to track. Anyway, it'd be interesting to hear.

To be fair, I'll tell you about me. I get my news from primarily one source: https://apnews.com/. Then I sometimes read books or in-depth newspaper articles. For example, I read the New York Times article about how Trump inherited his money. That was a pretty interesting read. I used to read "The Economist". I felt like they leaned a little right which was probably good for me, but they have very in depth articles. Or they used to, because I don't read that anymore.

I don't watch any news on TV or read any news on social media. I know it's not good to just read from one source, but I'm not a professional, I'm just trying to keep up with what is going on in the world.

 

[Old Man]

$2.4B over 4 years sounds pathetic for a once iconic (financially speaking) brand.

$2.4 billion over 4 years is chump change? I wouldn't mind some of that chump change. Also, remember that this is the guy that has run every business he ever had straight into the ground. That sounds like a pretty good 4 years for the bankruptcy king.

 

[BIKES!]

What news sources do you watch, listen to, or read? It'd be interesting to hear. I'm not trying to make fun of you, I just honestly am curious what your media diet looks like. How often do you watch TV news, radio programs, or read things on social media? Maybe you don't know, particularly about the social media consumption. That one can be tricky to track. Anyway, it'd be interesting to hear.

To be fair, I'll tell you about me. I get my news from primarily one source: https://apnews.com/. Then I sometimes read books or in-depth newspaper articles. For example, I read the New York Times article about how Trump inherited his money. That was a pretty interesting read. I used to read "The Economist". I felt like they leaned a little right which was probably good for me, but they have very in depth articles. Or they used to, because I don't read that anymore.

I don't watch any news on TV or read any news on social media. I know it's not good to just read from one source, but I'm not a professional, I'm just trying to keep up with what is going on in the world.

I read pretty much every source and draw my own conclusions from their slants. AP is probably the closest to the middle although it’s moved left over the years. Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Fox, Bloomberg.

Im fiscally conservative socially liberal and love America. I can’t stand entitled lazy brats that shit on this country or who by into woke science like “systemic racism” and choose your gender BS. I believe BLM is a cancer and Malcom X has been right all these years about the white liberal. The best way to end racism is to stop seeing race and just see people. Leftist ideology has set the western world back decades…

 

[BIKES!]

$2.4 billion over 4 years is chump change? I wouldn't mind some of that chump change. Also, remember that this is the guy that has run every business he ever had straight into the ground. That sounds like a pretty good 4 years for the bankruptcy king.

Yeah bro, nearly every politician and A lister in Hollywood was born into money. The quickest way to be worth $10M is to start with $50M.

Trump corp revenue went down dramatically his years in office and his brand’s goodwill likely cut more than half. Heck his hotel room revenue bled. Even his golf courses suffered. During the pandemic Trump National in PV was the easiest course to get a tee time because the rich libs in the area boycotted it. There is a reason the real wealthy elites all vote Democrat. They have to hide the truth.

Your article on the $2.4B is such propaganda it’s Hitler level. Notice how there is no info about annual revenue pre presidency or any context. The clapping TDS seals just see a big number and froth at the mouth.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tru...bih=746&dpr=3#imgrc=FIgufgXE9AbKNM&lnspr=W10=

 

[Old Man]

I read pretty much every source and draw my own conclusions from their slants. AP is probably the closest to the middle although it’s moved left over the years. Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Fox, Bloomberg.

Im fiscally conservative socially liberal and love America. I can’t stand entitled lazy brats that shit on this country or who by into woke science like “systemic racism” and choose your gender BS. I believe BLM is a cancer and Malcom X has been right all these years about the white liberal. The best way to end racism is to stop seeing race and just see people. Leftist ideology has set the western world back decades…

The only source that you listed where you could have read all that conspiracy nonsense is Fox. So that is most likely your main source of information. But if you are looking at all these other sources, then it's shocking that you'd hold these views so strongly. Anyway, thanks for responding.

 

[Old Man]

Your article on the $2.4B is such propaganda it’s Hitler level.

So Forbes is now a left-wing bastion?