Elections Canadian Federal Election 2019 Thread

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Couldn't agree more with this. I have more of a chance in working on Canada's next warships if I stay in Holland. We're not just losing to the states. We're not bothering to compete at all. Research and development are always, irrespective of who's in power, targeted for cost savings. As a result, we don't have the industries. Far smaller and poorer countries than ours manage to have a defence industry.

We can't continue to rely on the Americans. That works until it doesn't quite strike their commander in chief's fancy.

I know alot of citizens don't take security as priority due to either being spoiled and complacent living so close to the US and Canadian image of passivity; but, one of the most disputed and important parts of land in the world is going to be that arctic passageway and we now don't own companies that monitor it or the ships patrol it - yet the US who has a lot of interest in that area, do. Just mind boggling.

Also, as you said - defense contracts produce alot of jobs which we willingly give away to other nations

 

[Jfrizzle]

I think this is more of a provincial problem though. I lived in NB for many years and the issue is that the province is run by idiots, and many New Brunswickers are plain and simply dumb.

They could have had shale gas by now, but god forbid they’d actually make money, so they said no to that. Legal cannabis? Seems like a slam dunk, let’s go right ahead and build stores specifically for cannabis even though we have NB liquor stores all over the place. Net result? Lost 11 million in one year, because they couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that anyone in Canada can buy a quarter of premium hydro for 50 bucks online, so why would they pay more at the government run stores? Even Quebec understood this.

I love NB for other reasons, the nature and the people, but the provincial government is fucking retarded, and has been ever since Mckenna left office which was over 20 years ago. And yea, healthcare in NB is atrocious, I see it all the time with my parents.

All on point my friend. I left for Alberta for 7 years and honestly never thought I would come back for those very reasons. It's only gotten worse since I returned.

A huge problem here is that a lot of boomers have become staunch environmentalists. Never mind that they prospered in a time when there was actual industry here that provided many simpletons with very comfortable lifestyles. Now however they have everything they need so they appose every and anything that comes up because "not my backyard".

 

[Prokofievian]

I know alot of citizens don't take security as priority due to either being spoiled and complacent living so close to the US and Canadian image of passivity; but, one of the most disputed and important parts of land in the world is going to be that arctic passageway and we now don't own companies that monitor it or the ships patrol it - yet the US who has a lot of interest in that area, do. Just mind boggling.

Also, as you said - defense contracts produce alot of jobs which we willingly give away to other nations

Russia is so fucking far ahead of us in patrolling the arctic that it may already be out of reach. We've been fucking our ability to patrol our arctic away since before I was born, with America's help.

At this moment, jumping into the deep end to produce a Canadian defence industry is uneconomical. But that's because it hasn't been invested in for several generations, so it continues to be uneconomical. There are just some things that a country, should we decide to remain one, has to do. One of those things is defence, and the biggest part of that is research and development.

I think some of this is our fault, as Canadian engineers. We're not exactly the squeaky wheel. It's veterans and ship builders who make any noise at all about defence. It's no skin off our sack if we have to move to get paid more.

 

[CauseImbetta]

Gosh, it's hard to believe it's been 4 years. Namaste

In the spirit of us Canadians minding our own fucking business, I thought we should have a thread wherein we discuss the coming Federal election on October 21st 2019.

In the interest of an actual informed discussion, here's the platforms for all the major parties, except the Bloc. If you're going to vote for the Bloc, you're going to vote for the Bloc.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/
https://www.conservative.ca/about-us/governing-documents/
https://www.ndp.ca/commitments
https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform
https://www.greenparty.ca/en/our-vision

What are the issues you think need attention in Canada? Who do you think will best address them? Why and based on what?

I'll start:

Our defence procurement is a fucking joke. Left or right, Canada needs to be able to protect its borders or we should consider closing up shop. We have no Naval surface to air capability at the moment, and because of pan parliament ineptitude that cannot be rectified for another decade, and even then, it won't be Canadian scientists and engineers who will be involved with its implementation. New fighter jets wont be delivered until 2025, and we still don't know which jet we're purchasing (at this moment, there's only one sensible purchase).

We have our own problems to worry about with healthcare. Our wait times continue to be excessively long, and a sizeable percentage of our population does not have a primary care physician. I don't actually think this is a funding issue. We spend enough. Our government, for the moment, probably does not have the inputs to actually fix the problems with the system. One problem is that the government can't insist on more doctors of a specific type, and where they should be located. We don't have enough primary care physicians, but we also can't force physicians to be GPs, or specialists of any particular kind. Another problem is that people go to emergency rooms for primary care, including for chronic illnesses, largely because they have nothing else. This is not a spending issue, this is a systemic issue made worse by the fact that the actual implementation of systems is the responsibility of the provinces. I would support an NHS style intervention. Whatever we're doing for the moment isn't working.

Our infrastructure is a joke. It's honestly the most embarrassing thing about coming home for a visit. The 2nd largest country in the world connected by a sparse network of goat paths.



Who's going to deal with these issues?

Spoiler

Watch the gayest prime minister in Canadian history get re-elected because the far left who don't believe in borders and think all employers should carry tampons have the loudest voice.

 

[Prokofievian]

See, I would have had insurance before she ever got sick because I know the wait times for even the most basic of services are extremely high. Why shouldn't responsible people have the ability to buy insurance for things if they so choose? I would purchase a policy with premiums I could afford and use the provincial system for everything else. You wouldn't have to get insurance if you didn't want to.

Yes, everything would be perfect because you're a responsible person. Insurance companies don't have people whose entire job it is to find non-compliance to invalidate your coverage.

Private health insurance is a scam, you know that right? Their service is paying for stuff. They make money by paying for less stuff than they collect. That's how it works. And you want this? It would be one thing if you were an oligarch and you could just pay for whatever medical treatments you needed. But you're not.

Why would someone who wants take money from my province interest me? Because I don't really like relying on other people's money.

???

So don't use roads then.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I'm kind of thinking NDP myself this round. I went with Trudy last time but I am not in love with his performance and his rhetorical strategy bugs me. I'm not fundamentally opposed to voting Conservative, but they have to make a damned good case for my vote which I have yet to see materialize - it's more a bunch of fairly vague plans and an "I'm not Trudeau" message.

Hopefully enough liberals throw away their vote on the NDP and we can get a proper government back in office.

Biggest issue facing the conservatives is that turncoat Maxime Bernier trying to split the conservative vote to keep a francophone in office at any cost.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Russia is so fucking far ahead of us in patrolling the arctic that it may already be out of reach. We've been fucking our ability to patrol our arctic away since before I was born, with America's help.

At this moment, jumping into the deep end to produce a Canadian defence industry is uneconomical. But that's because it hasn't been invested in for several generations, so it continues to be uneconomical. There are just some things that a country, should we decide to remain one, has to do. One of those things is defence, and the biggest part of that is research and development.

I think some of this is our fault, as Canadian engineers. We're not exactly the squeaky wheel. It's veterans and ship builders who make any noise at all about defence. It's no skin off our sack if we have to move to get paid more.

I stayed!

But yeah, we STEM minds (including doctors) take a flippant approach to Canadian development in defense and healthcare for a while.

 

[flashNsmash]

I stayed!

But yeah, we STEM minds (including doctors) take a flippant approach to Canadian development in defense and healthcare for a while.

*STEAM

gotta be inclusive of the arts because it's 2019

 

[Wet Blanket]

Watch the gayest prime minister in Canadian history get re-elected because the far left who don't believe in borders and think all employers should carry tampons have the loudest voice.

I'd rather JT for 2 more terms than weak Andy for a single year.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

*STEAM

gotta be inclusive of the arts because it's 2019

No arts majors are being recruited. We have Starbucks and enterprise rent a cars here they can work at.

 

[trac209]

The stuff the candidates (and Max) post online is quite disturbing. I believe a bunch staff resigned in one province due to complaints of internal racism.

Yes good old racism is why we don’t want illegals flooding in... fuck you just never stop.

 

[Wet Blanket]

Yes good old racism is why we don’t want illegals flooding in... fuck you just never stop.

Illegals flooding in...OK.

 

[trac209]

Illegals flooding in...OK.

Even one illegal is too much does that work for you?

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Jaideep is a goof but I could never bring myself to vote for the libs or cons

 

[CauseImbetta]

I'd rather JT for 2 more terms than weak Andy for a single year.

Why?

 

[Wet Blanket]

Why?

Because I am seeing the damage conservatives are doing in my province right now.

I'm not a big fan of Trudeau and I don't vote liberal but he's the lesser of two evils.

 

[flashNsmash]

Jaideep is a goof but I could never bring myself to vote for the libs or cons

 

[Not A Theist]

No arts majors are being recruited. We have Starbucks and enterprise rent a cars here they can work at.

As an arts major, this is pretty much the state of it. I'm oftentimes responding to some of the more idealistic drives in our (literature) department with "In a cultural environment where we're already viewed as kind of a joke, does it make sense for us to make ourselves even less relevant by eroding the common basis that our profession shares?". The big push these days, based on raw idealism and a perception of morality in the face of past colonial wrongs, is to more or less eliminate the English canon and teach a bunch of indigenous studies and postcolonial literature. Major moves are being made in this direction at both the undergraduate and graduate level. The end result of his will be that PhD students being produced in Canadian universities might not actually be able to tell you about who Shakespeare or Milton is or hold a coherent conversation with other literature majors about common material because there won't be any.

I think about trying to explain to someone like you - an functionally minded engineering, or otherwise, guy - what possible reason you'd consider sending your kid to student English literature at a university. You may never do that anyway, but right now I can give the already fairly weak answer of "Your kid will come out of this degree able to have a conversation about the history of literature in the English language and, more broadly, the West, and will have a broad scale understanding of the historical movements that lead us to where we are, how they all relate, who the big players are, why they were important, and be able to give an informed take on where the things being written now sit within a historical perspective." The current push is that that common corpus of texts, and the general knowledge surrounding it, is morally tarnished due to colonialism, so let's do away with it and let people more or less study what they want from a smattering of global and indigenous literature. If this happens - or, I should say, finishes happening - there will be no common core to our profession. We'll be a fancy book club where not everyone is even reading the same books.

Oh, this is bugging me these days. We're already struggling for relevance and well meaning people are trying desperately to make us even less relevant in the name of what they think is right. They're convinced that they'll teach people a more just way to approaching literature, and the Western tradition, at large by doing this. I think it's more likely that it won't be long until they find they're not teaching many people at all because when people realize that there is no actual common skillset that is the basis of a profession, however dubious a one, that comes out of this, why the hell would they send their kids in? It's a race to make the degree even more bloody useless.

Tangential rant, but... Damnit, I'm looking at a petition that I'm being asked to sign which will weaken the discipline if I do - but I stand to potentially be branded a supporter of colonial structures if I don't. That could actually hurt my career in the current climate of things. The situation in the humanities is getting worse all the time, to be quite frank. I'm quite concerned about whatever is coming with online accreditation because I suspect it is going to hit our already questionably valuable departments like a tidal wave.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

As an arts major, this is pretty much the state of it. I'm oftentimes responding to some of the more idealistic drives in our (literature) department with "In a cultural environment where we're already viewed as kind of a joke, does it make sense for us to make ourselves even less relevant by eroding the common basis that our profession shares?". The big push these days, based on raw idealism and a perception of morality in the face of past colonial wrongs, is to more or less eliminate the English canon and teach a bunch of indigenous studies and postcolonial literature. Major moves are being made in this direction at both the undergraduate and graduate level. The end result of his will be that PhD students being produced in Canadian universities might not actually be able to tell you about who Shakespeare or Milton is or hold a coherent conversation with other literature majors about common material because there won't be any.

I think about trying to explain to someone like you - an functionally minded engineering, or otherwise, guy - what possible reason you'd consider sending your kid to student English literature at a university. You may never do that anyway, but right now I can give the already fairly weak answer of "Your kid will come out of this degree able to have a conversation about the history of literature in the English language and, more broadly, the West, and will have a broad scale understanding of the historical movements that lead us to where we are, how they all relate, who the big players are, why they were important, and be able to give an informed take on where the things being written now sit within a historical perspective." The current push is that that common corpus of texts, and the general knowledge surrounding it, is morally tarnished due to colonialism, so let's do away with it and let people more or less study what they want from a smattering of global and indigenous literature. If this happens - or, I should say, finishes happening - there will be no common core to our profession. We'll be a fancy book club where not everyone is even reading the same books.

Oh, this is bugging me these days. We're already struggling for relevance and well meaning people are trying desperately to make us even less relevant in the name of what they think is right. They're convinced that they'll teach people a more just way to approaching literature, and the Western tradition, at large by doing this. I think it's more likely that it won't be long until they find they're not teaching many people at all because when people realize that there is no actual common skillset that is the basis of a profession, however dubious a one, that comes out of this, why the hell would they send their kids in? It's a race to make the degree even more bloody useless.

Tangential rant, but... Damnit, I'm looking at a petition that I'm being asked to sign which will weaken the discipline if I do - but I stand to potentially be branded a supporter of colonial structures if I don't. That could actually hurt my career in the current climate of things. The situation in the humanities is getting worse all the time, to be quite frank. I'm quite concerned about whatever is coming with online accreditation because I suspect it is going to hit our already questionably valuable departments like a tidal wave.

I respect your response and your framing of it from your professional lens. My comment was made in jest but it's true with how the professional climate is, Americans are not recruiting arts majors to fill economic need in the US.

 

[Not A Theist]

I respect your response and your framing of it from your professional lens. My comment was made in jest but it's true with how the professional climate is, Americans are not recruiting arts majors to fill economic need in the US.

Wasn't taking your post as an insult - it's like the old Simpsons line:

It's harsh but there is a ring of truth to it and we involved in the humanities would be better off realizing that than getting pissy about it. I more or less just took it as a chance to rant. People on the outside want to disregard the discipline, not without reason, and the people inside of it are trying to help them do so. As someone who is quite heavily invested in it, it's depressing.