Elections Canadian Federal Election 2019 Thread

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

Yeah, like, in a Beer Hall in Munich, for instance. It could start anywhere!

 

[Prokofievian]

 

[Devout Pessimist]

My biggest issues are Healthcare, immigration, the housing market and ecomnomic opportunity, especially in my downtrodden province.

I'm leaning Bernier.

I'm really tempted to vote for Bernier. I passionately hate Trudeau (I hate Butts even more) and the clowns who make up the liberal cabinet. Scheer is useless, but might have a chance of beating Trudeau simply because he will get the anti-Trudeau vote. Bernier speaks his mind and does not give a shit about pleasing the whiny leftists and the left-leaning media. My mind says vote for Scheer just to get Trudeau out of there, but my heart says Bernier.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

I'm sure you can imagine what the liberal party is like with Cuckdeau at the helm.

 

[flashNsmash]

Correction: we have limited, even by Canada's standards, naval area air defence at the moment. And our subs are still a fucking joke. Let's buy a bunch of those gotland class subs if the Americans still wont let us have nuke subs.

it's true, losing the destroyers with their standard sm-2s was a big blow

love the bork bork boats too

 

[Jfrizzle]

A huge problem we are having in New Brunswick right now is with nursing shortages. Not enough people are enrolling. Here's the thing though, almost all new hires are only on a part time basis. Non guaranteed positions. Why? We can't afford to pay for fulltime nurses and all of the benefits that come with. We are so cash strapped that only logical and feasible solution is almost undoable. We need almost 2,000 nurses in the next 5 years and that is seeminf like a pipe dream.

We need to find a way to alleviate the overwhelming financial burden of the health care system. We have dumped endless amounts of money into the system and continues to get worse almost every year. I don't know if a two tiered system the answer but after what my wife has gone through the last few years it would have been nice to have had the option.

Whoever can offer an answer besides throwing more money that we don't have at the problem will be near the top of almost everyone in this provinces list.

 

[Prokofievian]

A huge problem we are having in New Brunswick right now is with nursing shortages. Not enough people are enrolling. Here's the thing though, almost all new hires are only on a part time basis. Non guaranteed positions. Why? We can't afford to pay for fulltime nurses and all of the benefits that come with. We are so cash strapped that only logical and feasible solution is almost undoable. We need almost 2,000 nurses in the next 5 years and that is seeminf like a pipe dream.

We need to find a way to alleviate the overwhelming financial burden of the health care system. We have dumped endless amounts of money into the system and continues to get worse almost every year. I don't know if a two tiered system the answer but after what my wife has gone through the last few years it would have been nice to have had the option.

Whoever can offer an answer besides throwing more money that we don't have at the problem will be near the top of almost everyone in this provinces list.

Bernier's proposed solution is to stop giving provinces like New Brunswick money. I'm not sure he's the candidate you're looking for.

...mind you, I'm not sure that candidate currently exists.

 

[Damien Karras]

Gosh, it's hard to believe it's been 4 years. Namaste

In the spirit of us Canadians minding our own fucking business, I thought we should have a thread wherein we discuss the coming Federal election on October 21st 2019.

In the interest of an actual informed discussion, here's the platforms for all the major parties, except the Bloc. If you're going to vote for the Bloc, you're going to vote for the Bloc.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/
https://www.conservative.ca/about-us/governing-documents/
https://www.ndp.ca/commitments
https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform
https://www.greenparty.ca/en/our-vision

What are the issues you think need attention in Canada? Who do you think will best address them? Why and based on what?

I'll start:

Our defence procurement is a fucking joke. Left or right, Canada needs to be able to protect its borders or we should consider closing up shop. We have no Naval surface to air capability at the moment, and because of pan parliament ineptitude that cannot be rectified for another decade, and even then, it won't be Canadian scientists and engineers who will be involved with its implementation. New fighter jets wont be delivered until 2025, and we still don't know which jet we're purchasing (at this moment, there's only one sensible purchase).

We have our own problems to worry about with healthcare. Our wait times continue to be excessively long, and a sizeable percentage of our population does not have a primary care physician. I don't actually think this is a funding issue. We spend enough. Our government, for the moment, probably does not have the inputs to actually fix the problems with the system. One problem is that the government can't insist on more doctors of a specific type, and where they should be located. We don't have enough primary care physicians, but we also can't force physicians to be GPs, or specialists of any particular kind. Another problem is that people go to emergency rooms for primary care, including for chronic illnesses, largely because they have nothing else. This is not a spending issue, this is a systemic issue made worse by the fact that the actual implementation of systems is the responsibility of the provinces. I would support an NHS style intervention. Whatever we're doing for the moment isn't working.

Our infrastructure is a joke. It's honestly the most embarrassing thing about coming home for a visit. The 2nd largest country in the world connected by a sparse network of goat paths.



Who's going to deal with these issues?

Spoiler

Health Care is a provincially run system within a framework of federal laws. I'm not sure concentrating oversight across provincial borders takes care of the problem however if it's one way to get dat Alebrta Oil Money to finance my health care in Quebec, then, I suppose I could do with it.

I'm ambivalent on the issue of increasing national defense spending to maintain our sovereignty in the north. Our military is underfunded but it's just really not an issue I would prioritize.

The issues I am most concerned with are the economy and the environment. I'm not a fan of the carbon tax because it's just a tax. I want real regulatory measures in place for the transition toward renewable sources of energy such as wind, solar, hydro and, heck, even nuclear. I'd like to see car manufacturers produce their lines of electric cars in Canada, and subsidize the manufacturer directly on the condition that it gets to be resold to the Canadian buyer at a reduced cost so to create more manufacturing jobs and increase local sales so to have a net effect on CO2 emissions.
For the economy we need to create a more viable and lush ecosystem of small businesses, particularly in tech and innovation. So far Waterloo has put together something, or at least it used to be, but it's been a while since Canada has really been at the forefront of it. I would like to see the tax rate lowered for start ups and small businesses and I would fund this initiative by refunnelling all fossil fuel subsidies to this initiative.

This is off the top of my head.

 

[Jfrizzle]

Bernier's proposed solution is to stop giving provinces like New Brunswick money. I'm not sure he's the candidate you're looking for.

...mind you, I'm not sure that candidate currently exists.

I'm not sure either but I have heard him be in support of some kind of two tiered system. As much as it would hurt in the short term perhaps losing those trsnsfer payments would make us pull ourselves up and start making this a prosperous part of the country again.

We have huge amounts of untapped natural resources here but are unwilling to use them. Maybe if our hand was forced we could find responsible ways to take advantage.

 

[Prokofievian]

Health Care is a provincially run system within a framework of federal laws. I'm not sure concentrating oversight across provincial borders takes care of the problem however if it's one way to get dat Alebrta Oil Money to finance my health care in Quebec, then, I suppose I could do with it.

The government, a government, any government, provincial or federal, I think needs to be more than just a buyer, otherwise they can't really do anything. Wait times and lack of primary care are a systemic issue. Putting more or less money into the system can't do anything.

I'm ambivalent on the issue of increasing national defense spending to maintain our sovereignty in the north. Our military is underfunded but it's just really not an issue I would prioritize.

If we continue sending our military into the field with their dicks in their hands, we might as well just take the 20+ billion in defence spending and reallocate it. It's a totally impotent force. The way to sell it, though, is that the point of military spending is mostly investment in research and development. Chomsky's research was funded by the Pentagon for a while, as an example. That's where most of the benefit comes from.

The issues I am most concerned with are the economy and the environment. I'm not a fan of the carbon tax because it's just a tax. I want real regulatory measures in place for the transition toward renewable sources of energy such as wind, solar, hydro and, heck, even nuclear. I'd like to see car manufacturers produce their lines of electric cars in Canada, and subsidize the manufacturer directly on the condition that it gets to be resold to the Canadian buyer at a reduced cost so to create more manufacturing jobs and increase local sales so to have a net effect on CO2 emissions.
For the economy we need to create a more viable and lush ecosystem of small businesses, particularly in tech and innovation. So far Waterloo has put together something, or at least it used to be, but it's been a while since Canada has really been at the forefront of it. I would like to see the tax rate lowered for start ups and small businesses and I would fund this initiative by refunnelling all fossil fuel subsidies to this initiative.

This is off the top of my head.

The carbon tax is actually the one policy on offer that I actually like. Provided you agree with the scientific consensus on AGW, it's simply the economically most efficient solution. Carbon is free to produce at the moment, but it has a societal cost. The way around that is, of course, to make the price of a good reflect its true cost. Without that, there is no market for green solutions, because there is no price mechanism.

If you really wanted to be carbon neutral, at the moment you would have to do all kinds of research on every single product you buy. With a carbon tax, their price reflects the carbon used to produce it, and your demand for the product adjusts automatically.

 

[Prokofievian]

I'm not sure either but I have heard him be in support of some kind of two tiered system. As much as it would hurt in the short term perhaps losing those trsnsfer payments would make us pull ourselves up and start making this a prosperous part of the country again.

We have huge amounts of untapped natural resources here but are unwilling to use them. Maybe if our hand was forced we could find responsible ways to take advantage.

A two tiered system doesn't solve any of Canada's problems, it just provides an express lane for those more well off, and a meat chute into which to funnel the rest of us once the public option is defunded into total disarray.

This will be called ''innovation.''

 

[TUFNewb]

Can someone give an American a 2 sentence summary of the Canadian parties and their accronyms so that I can try to follow along?

Libs are corrupt. Cons are incompetent. Ndp green and ppc LOL.

Shit that is 3.

 

[WarDosAnjos]

Is Treaudu running again? Canada is doing GREAT right now and need him to win again

 

[Jfrizzle]

A two tiered system doesn't solve any of Canada's problems, it just provides an express lane for those more well off, and a meat chute into which to funnel the rest of us once the public option is defunded into total disarray.

This will be called ''innovation.''

I'm not so sure. If the rich have private access, more power to them It will alleviate some of the backlog for the rest of us. I mean they already have a access to a two tiered system. It's called the US.

I'm not saying I know what the answer is but what we have now is not working and is not sustainable. I am not rich. Far from it but I would love to have the ability to purchase some kind of insurance to have more options. My wife gas been struggling medically for several years. We think, finally, that she may have ms. A couple years ago, before that was on the table, she waited 7 months for an mri on her brain. The results of that mri showed some kind of abnormality on her cervicle spine but was cut off in the image. They booked her for another mri to get a better image of that area. Keep in mind that she is experiencing dizziness, headaches, pain and numbness in her limbs daily. 9 months passed before she had that seconed mri. We were scared shitless, thinking it was some kind of a tumor. Luckily it was a cyst but if it wasn't, she could have easily died in the time she waited for that second mri. Having the ability to purchase insurance for something like this could only be beneficial.

 

[Prokofievian]

I'm not so sure. If the rich have private access, more power to them It will alleviate some of the backlog for the rest of us. I mean they already have a access to a two tiered system. It's called the US.

I'm not saying I know what the answer is but what we have now is not working and is not sustainable. I am not rich. Far from it but I would love to have the ability to purchase some kind of insurance to have more options. My wife gas been struggling medically for several years. We think, finally, that she may have ms. A couple years ago, before that was on the table, she waited 7 months for an mri on her brain. The results of that mri showed some kind of abnormality on her cervicle spine but was cut off in the image. They booked her for another mri to get a better image of that area. Keep in mind that she is experiencing dizziness, headaches, pain and numbness in her limbs daily. 9 months passed before she had that seconed mri. We were scared shitless, thinking it was some kind of a tumor. Luckily it was a cyst but if it wasn't, she could have easily died in the time she waited for that second mri. Having the ability to purchase insurance for something like this could only be beneficial.

Or they could just have you paying premiums for years and refuse to pay out for a pre-existing condition, and then you'll have to go into massive amounts of debt to pay for her treatment and eventually declare bankruptcy. Won't that be exciting? Or, you could default to the public option, should it still exist, that Maxime has totally decimated and thus made wait times even worse.

Of course, there are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. My opinion is that they are largely because the government has little to no control over the delivery of health services. Bernier's solution is less money for your have not province. I just...why is that even remotely interesting to you?

 

[2DUM2TAP]

Liberal Party of Canada - Center Left corporate cock suckers dabbling in identity politics. THEY'LL TEYK YER GUNZ!
Conservative Party of Canada - Center Right corporate cock suckers who probably wont take your guns.
People's Party of Canada - Retard level libertarian fever dream party. DURR WE NEED A FLAT TAX DURR.
Green Party - The environment is the only important issue at all.
NDP - Irrelevant leftist party with no concrete policy proposals. They are a critic party, always have been, and will be for the foreseeable future.

Here's a coles notes version of every policy imaginable.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/20...here-the-parties-stand-on-everything/#defence

A lot of ''no concrete proposals.'' It was published on April 30th, but fucking still.

Not bad....

The liberal party is moving away from center. I like your NDP summary. Would have included worker unions though.
Cons.... have moved more center over the years and have done a much better job of moving away from the religious right. They have for the most part dropped the anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion stance at party levels. You still get the odd guy making a comment and then being put in line by the party.

 

[Grenz]

A huge problem we are having in New Brunswick right now is with nursing shortages. Not enough people are enrolling. Here's the thing though, almost all new hires are only on a part time basis. Non guaranteed positions. Why? We can't afford to pay for fulltime nurses and all of the benefits that come with. We are so cash strapped that only logical and feasible solution is almost undoable. We need almost 2,000 nurses in the next 5 years and that is seeminf like a pipe dream.

We need to find a way to alleviate the overwhelming financial burden of the health care system. We have dumped endless amounts of money into the system and continues to get worse almost every year. I don't know if a two tiered system the answer but after what my wife has gone through the last few years it would have been nice to have had the option.

Whoever can offer an answer besides throwing more money that we don't have at the problem will be near the top of almost everyone in this provinces list.

I think this is more of a provincial problem though. I lived in NB for many years and the issue is that the province is run by idiots, and many New Brunswickers are plain and simply dumb.

They could have had shale gas by now, but god forbid they’d actually make money, so they said no to that. Legal cannabis? Seems like a slam dunk, let’s go right ahead and build stores specifically for cannabis even though we have NB liquor stores all over the place. Net result? Lost 11 million in one year, because they couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that anyone in Canada can buy a quarter of premium hydro for 50 bucks online, so why would they pay more at the government run stores? Even Quebec understood this.

I love NB for other reasons, the nature and the people, but the provincial government is fucking retarded, and has been ever since Mckenna left office which was over 20 years ago. And yea, healthcare in NB is atrocious, I see it all the time with my parents.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Would start by increasing funding for nurse practitioners who can do majority of the work a GP can but at less cost. Replicate more family practices that places like Niagara Falls, Guelph and Barrie are operating. Problem is getting drs and nurses of high caliber to work in remote shitty areas which Canada has alot of. I really don't know what the answer is when the US pays more, lower taxes and has better weather overall.

Big issue with me is national sovereignty and security. I work for Canada's largest military tech surveillance and defense company and despite the Harper government writing legislation to protect us from foreign purchase, the liberals ok a deal to be sold off (along with other companies) to the US. It's crazy that our security is more dependent on the US than our trade is. While the sale benefited me financially and professionally, we need our own Avenue to self protection at least when it comes to monitoring our land.

Innovation ratings are abysmal - we need a complete overhaul of how we attract foreign and domestic investment. Google will be giving us a boost in that area but we have absolute shit financial support and tax incentives to develop from the ground up domestically. Look at how many green energy / battery technology patents are created in the US by Canadians - same goes for robotics. We have so much talent and no where for them to go shine here within Canada. Again, the US pays more, has lower taxes and better locations....hard to compete

Trade - hopefully the US elects a centrist that continues the trade history with Canada but we also need to address the European trade deal in which we are importing more than exporting despite our significantly lower dollar. Again, need to develop our own economic avenues rather than focusing completely on natural resource while simply being a manufacturer of US goods

Honestly, no parties are offering real solid pathways to take advantage of Canadian brain power and realistic odds of the next government is minority conservative which will be pretty much useless. Or minority Liberal which won't focus on innovation or security or trade

I'm going PC. Rather 4 years of paralment infighting with low policy turn out rates than a liberal party dependent on a NDP coalition who focuses on shit I don't care about

 

[Prokofievian]

Would start by increasing funding for nurse practitioners who can do majority of the work a GP can but at less cost. Replicate more family practices that places like Niagara Falls, Guelph and Barrie are operating. Problem is getting drs and nurses of high caliber to work in remote shitty areas which Canada has alot of. I really don't know what the answer is when the US pays more, lower taxes and has better weather overall.

Big issue with me is national sovereignty and security. I work for Canada's largest military tech surveillance and defense company and despite the Harper government writing legislation to protect us from foreign purchase, the liberals ok a deal to be sold off (along with other companies) to the US. It's crazy that our security is more dependent on the US than our trade is. While the sale benefited me financially and professionally, we need our own Avenue to self protection at least when it comes to monitoring our land.

Innovation ratings are abysmal - we need a complete overhaul of how we attract foreign and domestic investment. Google will be giving us a boost in that area but we have absolute shit financial support and tax incentives to develop from the ground up domestically. Look at how many green energy / battery technology patents are created in the US by Canadians - same goes for robotics. We have so much talent and no where for them to go shine here within Canada. Again, the US pays more, has lower taxes and better locations....hard to compete

Trade - hopefully the US elects a centrist that continues the trade history with Canada but we also need to address the European trade deal in which we are importing more than exporting despite our significantly lower dollar. Again, need to develop our own economic avenues rather than focusing completely on natural resource while simply being a manufacturer of US goods

Honestly, no parties are offering real solid pathways to take advantage of Canadian brain power and realistic odds of the next government is minority conservative which will be pretty much useless. Or minority Liberal which won't focus on innovation or security or trade

I'm going PC. Rather 4 years of paralment infighting with low policy turn out rates than a liberal party dependent on a NDP coalition who focuses on shit I don't care about

Couldn't agree more with this. I have more of a chance in working on Canada's next warships if I stay in Holland. We're not just losing to the states. We're not bothering to compete at all. Research and development are always, irrespective of who's in power, targeted for cost savings. As a result, we don't have the industries. Far smaller and poorer countries than ours manage to have a defence industry.

We can't continue to rely on the Americans. That works until it doesn't quite strike their commander in chief's fancy.

 

[Jfrizzle]

Or they could just have you paying premiums for years and refuse to pay out for a pre-existing condition, and then you'll have to go into massive amounts of debt to pay for her treatment and eventually declare bankruptcy. Won't that be exciting? Or, you could default to the public option, should it still exist, that Maxime has totally decimated and thus made wait times even worse.

Of course, there are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. My opinion is that they are largely because the government has little to no control over the delivery of health services. Bernier's solution is less money for your have not province. I just...why is that even remotely interesting to you?

See, I would have had insurance before she ever got sick because I know the wait times for even the most basic of services are extremely high. Why shouldn't responsible people have the ability to buy insurance for things if they so choose? I would purchase a policy with premiums I could afford and use the provincial system for everything else. You wouldn't have to get insurance if you didn't want to.

Why would someone who wants take money from my province interest me? Because I don't really like relying on other people's money.