Social Canada Records Lowest Birthrate, 2nd Year in a Row

[nhbbear]

When you keep making the same joke it makes it a little harder to distinguish it from sincere belief. Just sayin'.

no, I made two jokes in here and in another thread, I posted that poor and uneducated people have lots of kids while educated people tend to wait to have kids and then only have a few. So, not the same joke.

 

[ermac88]

Yes. Increase supply. Not only in Vancouver, but all of Canada. Huge tax incentive to build (removal of GST on building). Remove carbon tax on everything to free up more $ to afford houses and further lower building material prices. Shall I keep going?

Thanks sherbro

Increase supply of, housing? presumably by federal construction incentives or something?

What does carbon tax have to do with the price of housing and how does reducing it, or any taxes cheapen house costs?




Can you share any links of proposals specifically addressing it?

Thanks

 

[rikibobby]

Thanks sherbro

Increase supply of, housing? presumably by federal construction incentives or something?

What does carbon tax have to do with the price of housing and how does reducing it, or any taxes cheapen house costs?




Can you share any links of proposals specifically addressing it?

Thanks

No. Can you stop playing stupid. It's not rocket appliances.

 

[ermac88]

No. Can you stop playing stupid. It's not rocket appliances.

huh?

No what? You cant provide links or you dont know/cant answer?

No need to be a jackass, I havent heard from any political party solutions for housing prices

if you actually heard them share them or what you know


If not, why respond to the post?

 

[Lycandroid]

Do conservatives/poilievre have a plan to reduce housing costs in areas like BC and Ontario ?

or have they proposed anything?

See below

Yes. Increase supply. Not only in Vancouver, but all of Canada. Huge tax incentive to build (removal of GST on building). Remove carbon tax on everything to free up more $ to afford houses and further lower building material prices. Shall I keep going?

Cut red tape so that regulatory fees for zoning and permits aren't passed to the home owner, reduce immigration levels so our housing supply keeps up with demand.

The problem is Pierre has been saying this for years and the same goes for every topic, the Liberal attack is always he has no plan, what has he said to fix the issue. Then you show them the facts or ask them the to answer the same questions with regard to Carney or Singh and they can never answer the question.

So @ermac88 what does your preferred party have in mind to address the housing issues ?

 

[ermac88]

See below

Cut red tape so that regulatory fees for zoning and permits aren't passed to the home owner, reduce immigration levels so our housing supply keeps up with demand.

The problem is Pierre has been saying this for years and the same goes for every topic, the Liberal attack is always he has no plan, what has he said to fix the issue. Then you show them the facts or ask them the to answer the same questions with regard to Carney or Singh and they can never answer the question.

So @ermac88 what does your preferred party have in mind to address the housing issues ?

I dont have a preferred party, Im trying to better understand the situation.

isnt the massive construction labour shortage in Canada part of the driving force behind immigration (including tech jobs)

Labour shortage hampering construction industry’s ability to drive even greater growth for Canada

The November release of Statistics Canada’s latest census data confirmed the value of construction as one of the top three sectors driving job growth in the Canadian economy…

www.cca-acc.com

How do regulatory fees reduce the currently high prices?

thats why I asked for any links, not saying you are wrong or anything.

Id like to know/understand more

 

[Deleted member 592570]

You seem incapable of being able to follow and comprehend a discussion.

@nhbbear was making a mocking comment about 'immigrants fixing the low birth rate problem' in Canada.

I replied to him that in the US and Canada it was Immigrants, in prior generations welcomed in to the US who fixed those years of 'low birth problems', that would not have seen either country succeed and grow if they were not allowed to come in and settle.

You, in your idiocy, seem to be trying to argue those people, who came to America and Canada AT THAT TIME, where not immigrants???? That is because you are stupid.


Immigrants ARE and HAVE BEEN historically the way Canada and the US have got the growth and wealth that birthrates, had you prevented that immigration, could not have achieved.

No. That was not the point you were making. You're pivoting and moving the goal posts because you original argument didn't hold water.

Making the argument and Irish and Italians immigrants helped boost the birth rate a hundred years ago is not an apples to apples comparison because those were legal immigrants. No one is complaining now about legal immigrants.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Explain further please.

Why bother. You don't want to hear it. You just want to say it's not true.

 

[Lycandroid]

I dont have a preferred party, Im trying to better understand the situation.

isnt the massive construction labour shortage in Canada part of the driving force behind immigration (including tech jobs)

Labour shortage hampering construction industry’s ability to drive even greater growth for Canada

The November release of Statistics Canada’s latest census data confirmed the value of construction as one of the top three sectors driving job growth in the Canadian economy…

www.cca-acc.com

How do regulatory fees reduce the currently high prices?

thats why I asked for any links, not saying you are wrong or anything.

Id like to know/understand more

Regulatory fees, cause delays and drive up other costs. If you remove them you will cause a reverse snowball effect that will greatly reduce costs. The more we keep government hands out of the pockets of builders the faster and higher quality we can build, we can pay workers fairer wages so we can attract and keep qualified tradespeople building homes. We build shitty houses employing bottle of the barrel skilled workers to build the cheapest shittiest homes because that really all we can do and still make a profit with all the taxes and red tape in the way.

 

[rikibobby]

huh?

No what? You cant provide links or you dont know/cant answer?

No need to be a jackass, I havent heard from any political party solutions for housing prices

if you actually heard them share them or what you know


If not, why respond to the post?

Increase housing supply by reducing cost to build (materials, development fees, taxes, provide federal $ to provinces that build build build) and limiting immigration (competition).

 

[ChosenOne]

No. That was not the point you were making. You're pivoting and moving the goal posts because you original argument didn't hold water.

Making the argument and Irish and Italians immigrants helped boost the birth rate a hundred years ago is not an apples to apples comparison because those were legal immigrants. No one is complaining now about legal immigrants.

The problem you have is your wrong. And oh, stupid. As that is exactly the point i was making.

If you are going to complain about the challenges of 'low birth rates' in Canada and the US, while at the same time demonization and trying to limit immigration, then you are dumb. Sorry you just are.

So many people do not realize neither Canada nor the US would be anything resembling the successful nations they became, since founding without long periods of open borders, the equivalent of anchor babies, and wave after wave of mass immigration, coming in both legally and illegally or via an open border before any laws set rules for it.

And those who ignore each and EVERY wave of that prior mass immigration was absolutely hated and vilified by the generations that preceded it are just willfully ignorant. Immigrant hate and demonization is as old as both countries are.

Those who enter ALWAYS want to close the door to "OTHERS" once they walk thru it.

 

[Andy Capp]

Thanks sherbro

Increase supply of, housing? presumably by federal construction incentives or something?

What does carbon tax have to do with the price of housing and how does reducing it, or any taxes cheapen house costs?




Can you share any links of proposals specifically addressing it?

Thanks

I love how focused little pp supporters are on tax cuts. How will we pay for those, hm? Good ol' trickle down... everything old is new again.

 

[AmonTobin]

Cost of living. full stop. Nothing to do with immigration.

 

[rikibobby]

I love how focused little pp supporters are on tax cuts. How will we pay for those, hm? Good ol' trickle down... everything old is new again.

How is it trickle down when the $ never leaves your pocket? The consumer keeps their $ and gets to spend it as they see fit.

Isn't trickle down when you collect taxes, redistribute them innefficiently, then claim some sort of economic win?

I'm not the "tax me and govern me harder daddy" type.

 

[Islam Imamate]

A drop in population would be good, but we all know the powers that be will just go to immigration rather than try and find solutions for a slowly reducing population which would be good for the environment and the planet.

What's wrong with immigration?

 

[BEAST]

What's wrong with immigration?

Too many people coming into places that aren't set up to handle them.
Not enough schools, jobs, police or hospitals for a growing population let alone adding tens of thousands more people through immigration.

Everyone suffers.

And mind you this is for MASS immigration, which has been happening in the last 5+ years in Canada.

 

[Ruke Doufus]

How is it trickle down when the $ never leaves your pocket? The consumer keeps their $ and gets to spend it as they see fit.

Isn't trickle down when you collect taxes, redistribute them innefficiently, then claim some sort of economic win?

I'm not the "tax me and govern me harder daddy" type.

Only with liberal math can you take money from people, filter it through layers of beurocracy, give some back and call that a benefit to the people.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What's wrong with immigration?

I want a reduction in the UK population. I don't have anything against immigrants.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I want a reduction in the UK population. I don't have anything against immigrants.

Why do you want a reduction in the UK population?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Too many people coming into places that aren't set up to handle them.
Not enough schools, jobs, police or hospitals for a growing population let alone adding tens of thousands more people through immigration.

Everyone suffers.

And mind you this is for MASS immigration, which has been happening in the last 5+ years in Canada.

What is the distinction between regular and mass immigration?