International South Korea’s military shrinks by 20% as low birthrate hits recruitment

[Cole train]

That doesn't mean we have to take in the entire third world who subsist on our taxpayer money. Point blank, I don't want to pay for all these people.

They get housing assistance, medical, food assistance and all sorts of other social services. All the people saying they're a net financial positive are full of shit.

A huge chunk work off the books and don't pay taxes. Then when they have kids, the hospitals eat the cost of the births, then their kids go to school for free, and they also all get food stamps. Plus Medicaid. It's a gigantic net financial drain for life. Yea fuck that.

Oh yea i agree

 

[Possum Jenkins]

This Liberal thinks the WW2 rebuild is having more an impact on current day birth rates than endless inflation and recessions.

Haha. Why do I argue with these retards?

Falling birthrates is a worldwide phenomenon the past ~75 years that's been extensively analyzed you mongoloid fascist. "Inflation and recession" is probably 37th on the list of causes.

Feel free to educate yourself though. I'm done with it.

 

[Croo67]

Falling birthrates is a worldwide phenomenon the past ~75 years that's been extensively analyzed you mongoloid fascist. "Inflation and recession" is probably 37th on the list of causes.

Feel free to educate yourself though. I'm done with it.

Oooh, ‘mongoloid’ not very PC, is it?

Liberals always show their true colours in the end. It’s usually with women and/or children, however.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

I can't remember the context, but it wasn't long ago that someone on here was using South Korea as an 'ideal' country.

I remember pointing out suicide rates are through the roof and the societal pressure and drive towards success is far too much, but they seemed to think it was wonderful there.

As I grow older, it would seem life within a society is all about balance.

Western countries haven't got that balance right either, don't get me wrong, we're leaning far too heavily into capitalism and pandering to rich assholes who couldn't give a shit about anyone else, but South Korea seems to have failed in achieving that balance even more so.

Sad, really.

I was reading the other day that Japan had 900k more deaths than births in 2024. Pretty wild stuff.

I see the same thing about Japan being put on some pedestal. Japan is seen as having this awesome society, but really it just comes down to their hate of immigrants and thinking the women are lapdogs. But overall Japan's society is a shitshow in it's own way these days.

 

[Croo67]

Why is there no concern for the population levels of all the hellholes being used to mitigate falling birth rates in the west?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The majority of the countries in the world have stringent immigration policy and enforce tight controls and limited access. Try illegally immigrating or overstaying your visa in all of Asia, the entire Middle East, India, China, Australia or many other countries. They'll deport your ass with a quickness just for overstaying your visa.

Only in the US do a wide swaths of people want the government to NOT want to enforce the law.

Now you're going into your favorite topic of illegal immigration and spouting the same bullshit as the lowest IQ racists.

Authoritarian non-democracies like China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia do enforce tight controls. It's not "only the US" that don't, it's the vast majority of democracies, both rich and poor.

Poor countries like Colombia, Peru, and Chile are full of even poorer Venezuelans and even they aren't sending squadrons of policemen to round up the illegals like Western racists fantasize about.

Why not? For the same reasons as here- it's just not worth the trouble.

 

[Croo67]

Now you're going into your favorite topic of illegal immigration and spouting the same bullshit as the lowest IQ racists.

Authoritarian non-democracies like China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia do enforce tight controls. It's not "only the US" that don't, it's the vast majority of democracies, both rich and poor.

Poor countries like Colombia, Peru, and Chile are full of even poorer Venezuelans and even they aren't sending squadrons of policemen to round up the illegals like Western racists fantasize about.

Why not? For the same reasons as here- it's just not worth the trouble.

The temerity of this guy never fails to amuse me. He talks with such authority about Europe, yet not only clearly has no understanding of it - but continuously refers back to American stats and examples as if they’re somehow relevant.

Virtually every European country has declared a housing crisis and Britain spends £6 billion a year housing illegal migrants in hotels.

I’d say rounding them up is worth the trouble.

 

[Hog-train]

Now you're going into your favorite topic of illegal immigration and spouting the same bullshit as the lowest IQ racists.

Authoritarian non-democracies like China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia do enforce tight controls. It's not "only the US" that don't, it's the vast majority of democracies, both rich and poor.

Most of the the Asian countries including India are democracies and they have tight immigration controls. So it's not the vast majority of democracies. Even places as chill as Thailand will actively deport you if you overstay your visa. And now EU countries like Poland and Greece are rebelling not letting anyone in and effectively closed their borders to these migrants.

Poor countries like Colombia, Peru, and Chile are full of even poorer Venezuelans and even they aren't sending squadrons of policemen to round up the illegals like Western racists fantasize about.

Why not? For the same reasons as here- it's just not worth the trouble.

Both Chile and Peru has been deporting Venezuelans and increasingly so. Even Colombia who is their next door neighbor is becoming more stringent with allowing them in.

How Chile’s welcome turned sour

The past five years have seen changing attitudes in Chile’s previously warmer reception towards Venezuelan migrants.

mixedmigration.org

Peru: Refugees In Peru Face Impossible Deadline

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

www.amnesty.org.uk

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Meanwhile other areas of the world can't stop fucking. Look at Bangladesh, India, Indonesia....

- People with moiney tend to have less kids. Unless you Arnold, Ronie Coleman or Musk. But Ronie and Arnie prefer to make their donation at the fabric, not in vitro

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Btw taiwan has lowest birth rate in Asia apperantly yet no one ever brings it up, Hong kong and Thailand are in a bad spot as well.

A lot of countries are going for a ride in future across Asia and West

- People needed biger families when they did laboral and farm work. Today thats isnt the case anymore. I honestly dont see the point of having six kids. It's impossible to raise them.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The temerity of this guy never fails to amuse me. He talks with such authority about Europe, yet not only clearly has no understanding of it - but continuously refers back to American stats and examples as if they’re somehow relevant.

Virtually every European country has declared a housing crisis and Britain spends £6 billion a year housing illegal migrants in hotels.

I’d say rounding them up is worth the trouble.

Asylum seekers aren't illegal migrants. And a Google search shows your 6B figure is way inflated.

But what, you want them out on the streets? Hotels aren't permanent housing. And if you want social problems to all disappear before immigrants can come in then no society in history has ever been ready for immigrants.

American cities in the late 19th and early 20th centuries had much worse housing, crime, and health problems yet millions of the good type of immigrants (white ones) still came in.

 

[Croo67]

Asylum seekers aren't illegal migrants. And a Google search shows your 6B figure is way inflated.

But what, you want them out on the streets? Hotels aren't permanent housing. And if you want social problems to all disappear before immigrants can come in then no society in history has ever been ready for immigrants.

American cities in the late 19th and early 20th centuries had much worse housing, crime, and health problems yet millions of the good type of immigrants (white ones) still came in.

I want them turned back.

It is not racism to state that men from Iraq and Syria should have to show the same documentation as everyone else when Britain - that’s just common sense.

And yes, the hotels aren’t permanent - they’re in them until housing is available, which then prevents UK citizens from being housed as the fake asylum seekers have no one to fall back on.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Most of the the Asian countries including India are democracies and they have tight immigration controls. So it's not the vast majority of democracies. Even places as chill as Thailand will actively deport you if you overstay your visa. And now EU countries like Poland and Greece are rebelling not letting anyone in and effectively closed their borders to these migrants.

I looked up "Thailand deportation" and a bunch of articles about Uyghurs being deported to China came up. 40 of them or so.

So a dirt-poor country of 71 million deported 40 dudes. Great.

Both Chile and Peru has been deporting Venezuelans and increasingly so. Even Colombia who is their next door neighbor is becoming more stringent with allowing them in.

How Chile’s welcome turned sour

The past five years have seen changing attitudes in Chile’s previously warmer reception towards Venezuelan migrants.

mixedmigration.org

Peru: Refugees In Peru Face Impossible Deadline

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

www.amnesty.org.uk

The question is not "Does deportation of Venezuelans in other South American countries exist?" Because the answer is obviously "yes."

The question is, "Do other South American countries send their Gestapo to hunt down Venezuelans and expel them the way Western fascists fantasize about?" The question is "no."

And again, these are countries that are only marginally better off than Venezuela itself and with tons of other social problems themselves.

They're not the richest country in the history of the world with the 3rd highest population like the US is.

 

[Hog-train]

I looked up "Thailand deportation" and a bunch of articles about Uyghurs being deported to China came up. 40 of them or so.

So a dirt-poor country of 71 million deported 40 dudes. Great.

Thailand takes visa overstays much more seriously than the US. They take active action to fine and then deport you if you overstay. Unlike the US which basically has been doing nothing for decades.

Visa overstays were the vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US before the Biden's open border policy.

The question is not "Does deportation of Venezuelans in other South American countries exist?" Because the answer is obviously "yes."

The question is, "Do other South American countries send their Gestapo to hunt down Venezuelans and expel them the way Western fascists fantasize about?" The question is "no."

And again, these are countries that are only marginally better off than Venezuela itself and with tons of other social problems themselves.

They're not the richest country in the history of the world with the 3rd highest population like the US is.

Those other countries did not have a sudden influx of 10 million people come in a four year period. Now we're trying to mitigate that.

Why is sending ICE to enforce the law, a Gestapo tactic? They're literally just enforcing the law. People like you are having sticker shock because they HAVEN'T been consistently enforcing the law for decades.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Thailand takes visa overstays much more seriously than the US. They take active action to fine and then deport you if you overstay. Unlike the US which basically has been doing nothing for decades.

Visa overstays were the vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US before the Biden's open border policy.

Amazing how you stack the low-IQ talking points one on top of the other.

If the US has been "doing nothing" where do these come from then?

And link me to where Biden eliminated border patrol, eliminated border check points, got rid of visa requirements, please.

Because any reasonable person would call those part of "open border policy." Anything else is "not kicking people out as often as I want them to."

Those other countries did not have a sudden influx of 10 million people come in a four year period. Now we're trying to mitigate that.

Proportionately, those countries received about the same.

Peru has a population of about 33 million and has almost 2 million Venezuelans, Colombia has 52 million and 3 million Venezuelans, Chile has 19 million and 0.5 million Venezuelans.

And again, these are MUCH poorer and less developed countries than the US.

Why is sending ICE to enforce the law, a Gestapo tactic? They're literally just enforcing the law. People like you are having sticker shock because they HAVEN'T been consistently enforcing the law for decades.

Jee, I don't know why sending state forces to workplaces, schools, and homes to take people away and expel them from the country would be Gestapo-like??

There's a million laws in the books so law enforcement has to pick and choose which are worth enforcing. A guy that car jacked a grandma in a grocery store parking lot? Yeah, it's worth it to go to his house and pick him up. A guy whose visa expired and that's mowing lawns or mopping up kitchen restaurants? Not so much.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Yea i agree, the post ww2 explosion seems unnatural as hell if one can call it that.

I'd be completely fine if we go back to 1804 population levels. Back then population didn't grow a lot because people died a lot. Nowadays population will decline because people do not have lots of children. Which is somewhat bad because we have more old people but all in all, a lower population means a healthier planet.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Late stage capitalism does this. Hyper focuses on consumption, and wages screw up standards of living (people don't feel financially stable/with a home until later in life than before).

A female friend of mine was telling me during a job hunt some firms were offering to freeze some of her eggs, so she could focus on work and still be able to have a family later. I think it's lunacy, yet here we are.

As for strength of South Korean military, wouldn't be too worried about it. Having drone operators seems more important than boots on the ground, plus any aggression on them will be met swiftly by the international community.

 

[Hog-train]

Amazing how you stack the low-IQ talking points one on top of the other.

If the US has been "doing nothing" where do these come from then?

And link me to where Biden eliminated border patrol, eliminated border check points, got rid of visa requirements, please.

Because any reasonable person would call those part of "open border policy." Anything else is "not kicking people out as often as I want them to."

You're arguing against something I never said. Where the hell did I say Biden didn't do deportations? I said the US, as a country, hasn't taken visa overstays serious FOR DECADES.

The majority of illegal immigrants before the Biden presidency was from visa overstays. But then Biden instituted a shitload of open borders policies that led to a deluge of people at the border in record numbers.

Proportionately, those countries received about the same.

Peru has a population of about 33 million and has almost 2 million Venezuelans, Colombia has 52 million and 3 million Venezuelans, Chile has 19 million and 0.5 million Venezuelans.

Yea and I just linked recent articles showing Peru and Chile getting sick of it and starting to deport them and closing their borders.

And again, these are MUCH poorer and less developed countries than the US.

And? They're next door neighbors.

Jee, I don't know why sending state forces to workplaces, schools, and homes to take people away and expel them from the country would be Gestapo-like??

So how else are you supposed to do deportations in the middle of the country? Come in full double breasted suits and deliver a strongly worded letter?

Explain to me, how exactly you're supposed to deport people who are actively hiding from you? And sometimes getting violent or running when you try to detain them.

You're essentially asking agents to deport people without physically detaining them.

There's a million laws in the books so law enforcement has to pick and choose which are worth enforcing. A guy that car jacked a grandma in a grocery store parking lot? Yeah, it's worth it to go to his house and pick him up. A guy whose visa expired and that's mowing lawns or mopping up kitchen restaurants? Not so much.

You don't know WTF you're talking about. A lot of the times, the guy who is mowing the lawn has had a final deportation order for years.

There are 1.4 million people in this country with existing final deportation orders. What you're proposing is NOT deporting them even though they had full due process in front of an immigration judge and exhausted all legal avenues of staying here.

 

[Bacco]

On other side war is changing anyway

Plus assuming events push things to that need of more men, they will eventually just raise recruitment age

If peace can enslave people up to 70yo still working, guess war can ask 50-55 to do something too

Of course would not be ideal have them in activity duties that require speed and stamina, but could cover some others moving youngs doing these to speedy stuff

 

[Possum Jenkins]

You're arguing against something I never said. Where the hell did I say Biden didn't do deportations? I said the US, as a country, hasn't taken visa overstays serious FOR DECADES.

You clearly said they "did nothing." Those are your words

Now it's clear they did do a lot. That graph shows they expelled a LOT of people.

So you're wrong in saying that they "did nothing," it's that they "didn't do as much as I feel they should."

The majority of illegal immigrants before the Biden presidency was from visa overstays. But then Biden instituted a shitload of open borders policies that led to a deluge of people at the border in record numbers.

I asked you to link me to where he got rid of visa requirements (like the EU has, for example), Border Patrol, or border checkpoints and you didn't.

So AGAIN, it's not "open border policies" it's more like "policies that don't expel people as much as I want them to," which is quite different.

Yea and I just linked recent articles showing Peru and Chile getting sick of it and starting to deport them and closing their borders.

Mind pointing out where they're "closing their borders" in those articles? I only see a mention of Chile doing so but in early 2020 at the outbreak of Covid.

And yes, deportations exist there just as they do here.

But the larger point is that these are MUCH poorer countries with an insignificant history of immigration compared to the US. It's far more understandable that they show hostility to immigrants than American nativists.

So how else are you supposed to do deportations in the middle of the country? Come in full double breasted suits and deliver a strongly worded letter?

Explain to me, how exactly you're supposed to deport people who are actively hiding from you? And sometimes getting violent or running when you try to detain them.

You're essentially asking agents to deport people without physically detaining them.

I'm asking them to seek out and deport violent criminals. These tactics are suitable for those kind of undocumented people.

Undocumented people that are attending school, working construction, restaurants, or whatever or other legit occupation do not need to be deported at all and certainly don't need to hunted down.

There are 1.4 million people in this country with existing final deportation orders.

Great, target the ones with criminal convictions and violent offenses first, then move from there.

Similar to arrest warrants. A dude with unpaid traffic tickets doesn't need to be hunted down. A dude that caught with a kilo of cocaine does. A dude that jaywalked doesn't even need to be apprehended.