Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

Some of those DC powers (I am actually surprised how godlike Flash is) are like little kids who keep adding powers to make thier version the strongest so you have ludicrious amount of power so it doesn't even make sense. Goku must also be DC. At least this now reminds me why I generally dislike DC.

 

[Mike]

Even though in a crossover Hulk beat superman and Spider-Man beat superboy? If we go with top power level of each hero Dr. Strange was omnipotent and had to have a legion of gods of different dimensions band together to sap some of his power. He could literally erase realities at a whim.

Yeah in the comic you're referencing Superman won, and he did it in the pocket. In fact in every crossover I've ever seen Superman kos him. Although if you have some scans of hulk beating him I'll take a look. Legitimately never seen in happen in any of the crossovers.

 

[Bob Gray]

anywhere this stuff is actually discussed with any degree of seriousness, it isn't done the way your'e doing it.

 

[Mike]

Yeah like I said it's nerdy. I mean I get your pov that's it's all silly and all bullshit. What I don't get is why you then participate in discussions like this. With your logic on the topic anyone can beat anyone else at any time, and for any reason. That's fine and all, but you can't get much of a discussion out of it. There isn't a single established character that you ca't find asinine high and low end feats for. Asinine even by comic book standards.

 

[TSO]

Yeah in the comic you're referencing Superman won, and he did it in the pocket. In fact in every crossover I've ever seen Superman kos him. Although if you have some scans of hulk beating him I'll take a look. Legitimately never seen in happen in any of the crossovers.

I haven't had a comic in hand since my fiance destroyed my collection in 05. Their record in crossovers though is like 3-2 in favor of sup's. Point being is that whatever narrative is being pushed decides who wins. Like Wolverine beating Hulk and Wendigo at the same time, he legit shouldn't stand a chance but they were marketing a new hero and he needed a big win.

 

[Mike]

@TSO these are the hulk vs supes encounters I remember:

The second scan is the hulk vs supes encounter you mentioned, during that same crossover where Spider-man DID beat superboy. But Superman koed the hulk decisively.

 

[Mike]

I haven't had a comic in hand since my fiance destroyed my collection in 05. Their record in crossovers though is like 3-2 in favor of sup's. Point being is that whatever narrative is being pushed decides who wins. Like Wolverine beating Hulk and Wendigo at the same time, he legit shouldn't stand a chance but they were marketing a new hero and he needed a big win.

Yeah I dunno if I trust your recollection on that, no offense. You did remember the 90's crossover event incorrectly. Like I said the vast majority of the time supes wins as far as I know. If you have scans to the contrary I'll look at them. But I already posted two encounters. In one of them Supes no sold most of his offense. In the second they went toe to toe more evenly, But Supes still put him out. They've never been equals in power at any point in time that I can recall.

 

[Magooglie]

@TSO these are the hulk vs supes encounters I remember:


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The second scan is the hulk vs supes encounter you mentioned, during that same crossover where Spider-man DID beat superboy. But Superman koed the hulk decisively.

Wolverine also beat Lobo and Storm beat Wonder Woman and Batman beat Captain America, those were all voted by fans. It would be interesting to do another crossover with votes considering how popular the MCU has become.

 

[Mike]

I haven't had a comic in hand since my fiance destroyed my collection in 05. Their record in crossovers though is like 3-2 in favor of sup's. Point being is that whatever narrative is being pushed decides who wins. Like Wolverine beating Hulk and Wendigo at the same time, he legit shouldn't stand a chance but they were marketing a new hero and he needed a big win.

Also, lol you're remembering that encounter wrong too. Wolverine put down wendigo briefly before he regenerated, but he wasn't able to harm the hulk at all, and was koed by the hulk at one point. It wasn't until years later that they made wolvie able to cut Hulks skin. They've fought a lot of times and it generally ends with Hulk breaking his nigh unbreakable bones (80s), kncking him out (90's) or actually ripping him in half (00's)


A scan from that first encounter:

 

[TSO]

@TSO these are the hulk vs supes encounters I remember:


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The second scan is the hulk vs supes encounter you mentioned, during that same crossover where Spider-man DID beat superboy. But Superman koed the hulk decisively.

That second set is fan made. It looks cool but isn't part of any actual comic.

 

[TSO]

Also, lol you're remembering that encounter wrong too. Wolverine put down wendigo briefly before he regenerated, but he wasn't able to harm the hulk at all, and was koed by the hulk at one point. It wasn't until years later that they made wolvie able to cut Hulks skin. They've fought a lot of times and it generally ends with Hulk breaking his nigh unbreakable bones (80s), kncking him out (90's) or actually ripping him in half (00's)


A scan from that first encounter:

Well at least I have you to correct me.

 

[Mike]

That second set is fan made. It looks cool but isn't part of any actual comic.

I could swear that's from the 90's crossover. At any rate Supes puts him down that exact same way during that event. Ill look for the scans.

 

[minute bull]

Guyz?! You do know these fights are scripted, right? Results are predetermined, raiiiiii?

#undertakerisnumerouno

 

[Bob Gray]

Yeah like I said it's nerdy. I mean I get your pov that's it's all silly and all bullshit. What I don't get is why you then participate in discussions like this.

I could easily say the same thing with you and your "I accept this, but not this" approach. It's so completely subjective and arbitrary. Im pretty sure most people wouldnt have Flash beating Supes. Even in these "serious" discussion youre referring to.

With your logic on the topic anyone can beat anyone else at any time, and for any reason.

Dont know why you think this. Spidey is never going to beat Galactus, Daredevil is never gonna beat Silver Surfer, etc.

There isn't a single established character that you ca't find asinine high and low end feats for. Asinine even by comic book standards.

True. Thats how Gambit beats Gladiator, although I think it was more of a distraction. However, I already mentioned there are limits. Theres no real defined standard, regardless of how often you refer to "serious" discussions by people who apparently really know what theyre talking about as opposed to people who read comics on sherdog. I even remember way back when Wizard magazine did these matchups and Supes generally lost to Thor. Pretty meaningless but I think it holds just as much weight as these "serious" discussion you refer to.

 

[TSO]

I could swear that's from the 90's crossover. At any rate Supes puts him down that exact same way during that event. Ill look for the scans.

Yeah I looked it up, the 3-2 I was remembering was in their most even fight sup's knocked Hulk down 3 times to 2 but won all three fights.

 

[Magooglie]

Guyz?! You do know these fights are scripted, right? Results are predetermined, raiiiiii?

#undertakerisnumerouno

 

[Mike]

For some reason legit scans of that crappy crossover are hard to find. Here's a wiki link. Superman won.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_vs._Marvel

 

[Mike]

Well at least I have you to correct me.

Haha I probably sound a lot douchier about this topic than I mean too. I take my fantasy nerd bullshit seriously

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[Bestonian]

Scarlet Witch would get it done. By flashing boobs. Black Widow has a chance as well by doing dirty things to Supes. Dr Strange would probably use time-magic to watch that action in infinite loop. That's about the whole battle.

 

[TSO]

Haha I probably sound a lot douchier about this topic than I mean too. I take my fantasy nerd bullshit seriously

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Nah man, its all good. I enjoy civil discourse.

Especially about nerd shit.