Can The Avengers take down Superman?

[Magooglie]

According to INFINITY WAR, some people have said, the best superpower is the element of surprise.

This is also the best superpower in MMA.

 

[Mike]

Villains generally don't fight fair. Does the Joker challenge Batman to a fist fight? Does Batman fight fair? No, he's always using "prep time." You were claiming there's no way to prepare for someone who can move that fast when clearly there is.

Again when these scenarios are discussed, it's generally who would win if these guys fought. Once you add in long periods of prep time, advanced scientific gadgets, dogpiling people, ambushes, we're no longer talking about who would win between this guy and that guy.


If you have to give one side in a fight extra prep, allies, weapons, and info, well it sounds like that's a pretty mismatched fight then. Maybe an invisible wall would work against the flash. How many dc characters have that as an ability, or always carry as standard equipment some device that does that? Yeah pretty much nobody.


If we're going that route how come only one side gets advantages? let's give Flash the rest of the JLA's equipment then, since he's fast enough to steal it from them. He can go in with Superman's power armor, Wonder Woman's magical sword and lasso, batmans crazy gadgets, Green Lanters ring, etc.

 

[minute bull]

This is also the best superpower in MMA.

*mic skilz

 

[Mike]

The flow of this conversation shows why comic battle forums lay out ground rules and character versions at the beginning of the fight. Otherwise it's who can find scans of some one off feat in an issue from 50 years ago, in a never ending war of escalation. Seems like that's not the most efficient way to have a conversation.

 

[Magooglie]

The flow of this conversation shows why comic battle forums lay out ground rules and character versions at the beginning of the fight. Otherwise it's who can find scans of some one off feat in an issue from 50 years ago, in a never ending war of escalation. Seems like that's not the most efficient way to have a conversation.

But if you want to have a conversation forever this is the best way.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

i do have one question

In the Death and then Return of the Supermen storyline (w/ Cyborg, Steel, Last Eradictor, Superboy)....Superboy had an earring.

Isn't he also impervious? So what pierced his ears?

 

[Mike]

But if you want to have a conversation forever this is the best way.

It certainly is. As long as these guys have been around there are essentially infinite contradictory scans. Like Wonder Man going toe to toe with Thor punching him through buildings. Then in another issue Green Goblin one shots him with a pumpkin bomb. the same bombs that basically just piss off spider-man, who isn't even bullet proof. It's an endless contradictory clusterfuck.

 

[Mike]

i do have one question

In the Death and then Return of the Supermen storyline (w/ Cyborg, Steel, Last Eradictor, Superboy)....Superboy had an earring.

Isn't he also impervious? So what pierced his ears?

They retconned this later, but at that point his powers were actually psionic in nature. His durability came from mentally projected force fields around him, and he had some other minor telekinetic abilities. At some point they retconned all of this and as far as I know he's just Superman Lite now.

 

[revoltub]

Lolwut????? Dcs heroes and villains are on a completely different power tier than Marvel. Dc is much, much stronger. To the point this is explicitly mentioned every time there's a crossover. MOST of the JLA are powerful enough to solo the Avengers, not just Superman. Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Captain Marvel, would all absolutely smash them with ease.

There are no DC villains that match the power of Thanos, The Beyonder, Galactus, or any of the celestials.

Darkseid would get stomped by all of them

 

[minute bull]

i do have one question

In the Death and then Return of the Supermen storyline (w/ Cyborg, Steel, Last Eradictor, Superboy)....Superboy had an earring.

Isn't he also impervious? So what pierced his ears?

NO ONE IS IMPERVIOUS TO HAVING BAD FASHION TASTE. Except maybe this guy:

 

[cmw43]

i do have one question

In the Death and then Return of the Supermen storyline (w/ Cyborg, Steel, Last Eradictor, Superboy)....Superboy had an earring.

Isn't he also impervious? So what pierced his ears?

You can get magnetic earrings if you don't want them physically pierced.

 

[Mike]

There are no DC villains that match the power of Thanos, The Beyonder, Galactus, or any of the celestials.

Darkseid would get stomped by all of them

Um Yes there are. there's the Spectre, The monitor and Anti monitor, Monarch, Paralax, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting. i'm more familiar with marvel than dc, but dc definitely has a cosmic setting with godlike beings as well. The main difference with DC is there's a smaller gap between earthbound heroes and cosmic heroes.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

always thought Iron man and batman so lame just gadet technology wish they would die and only actual super people be around. Spiderman is can too

Spiderman is the most useless super hero. In the absence of sky scrapers - he can't really latch on to anything. Spiderman in the suburbs would be fucked.

 

[Magooglie]

Spiderman is the most useless super hero. In the absence of sky scrapers - he can't really latch on to anything. Spiderman in the suburbs would be fucked.

He's more physically capable than Captain America.

 

[Mike]

Spiderman is the most useless super hero. In the absence of sky scrapers - he can't really latch on to anything. Spiderman in the suburbs would be fucked.

Lol there was an issue once where he followed some crook out to the burbs, and he's just derping around random residential neighborhoods because he can't use his webbing.

 

[TSO]

See? If you get into comic book bs, I then can raise you Superman Prime and it's just an endless tunnel of iterations and interpretations.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(DC_One_Million)

Silver age superman vs rune king Thor would just end the universe.

 

[TSO]

Lolwut????? Dcs heroes and villains are on a completely different power tier than Marvel. Dc is much, much stronger. To the point this is explicitly mentioned every time there's a crossover. MOST of the JLA are powerful enough to solo the Avengers, not just Superman. Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Captain Marvel, would all absolutely smash them with ease.

Even though in a crossover Hulk beat superman and Spider-Man beat superboy? If we go with top power level of each hero Dr. Strange was omnipotent and had to have a legion of gods of different dimensions band together to sap some of his power. He could literally erase realities at a whim.

 

[D Train]

Supes could turn Thor into a giant icecube...imobolizing him temporarily allowing supes to send Thor into orbit. But supes doesn't even need to do that as he has other more powerful tools in his arsenal that Thor doesn't.

And as for Thor needing to go get a kryptonite hammer? You needing to get Thor another tool to try to counter Supes default powers is an admission of Thor's weakness towards superman.

And finally I need to remind you of Superman's super speed.

Take this scene.



Or this to help confirm this power;



Superman is as fast as flash. He could fight Thor at a speed that would have Thor appear to be not moving at all. The fight, if written true to powers wouldn't even have Thor be able to call lightening, throw a punch or do anything. It would be over before Thor even knew it had started.

Supes wins this easily, and since I brought up super speed and the ability to go sonic allowing him to fight stationary opponents...I don't think any of the Avengers, assembled or not could honestly take him.

Supes wins. And Supes does it in a blink of an eye to help add insult to injury.

You don't see this in most comics or movies as it is EXTREMELY OP. It was only used to help save people or create a comical moment between he and flash. But it's a writers death sentence to actually maintain continuity with Supes super speed yet tell an interesting story.

This is a problem with the character, and yes he needs further nurfing.

Superman isn’t NEARLY as fast as Flash. Like, not remotely close. That was ooor writing in the movie. Also, and I could be wrong about this, I think Thor has super speed in the comics.

 

[minute bull]

Spiderman is the most useless super hero. In the absence of sky scrapers - he can't really latch on to anything. Spiderman in the suburbs would be fucked.

 

[spin]

Spiderman is the most useless super hero. In the absence of sky scrapers - he can't really latch on to anything. Spiderman in the suburbs would be fucked.

his webbing isnt one of his superpowers. and in most of his big villain fights, the villains neutralize the webbing anyway.

he manages.