Law California Lawmakers Pass a Mask Ban for Law Enforcement

[joy2day]

It’s difficult to imagine the Supreme Court — whether it has a liberal or a conservative majority — allowing a state to micromanage or second guess federal law enforcement operations by not allowing government agents to mask up, especially while enforcing immigration law, which the Constitution places under federal purview.

Since the earliest days of our republic, the Supreme Court has consistently reined in state efforts to constrain federal government endeavors. The court is acting on federalism principles in the Constitution: Federal law generally preempts state law or policy.

The only plausible avenue California has to push back against federal face covering would be if Congress enacts such a law and the president signs it. That’s highly unlikely. The Trump administration says officers in ICE raids would face threats and doxxing if they weren’t masked.

 

[avenue94]

Bullshit name one state law banning mask wearing that has been overturned by the Supreme Court. Freedom of religion is covered in the mast laws i have seen. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

So yeah you are making up Bullshit.

It's never made it to the Supreme Court, so jury is out on how they would rule, despite legal history suggesting one outcome is more likely.

You yourself have even admitted you hope those laws have a chilling effect on speech. And yet you're also pretending that that wouldn't be noticed in court.

 

[oldshadow]

It's never made it to the Supreme Court, so jury is out on how they would rule, despite legal history suggesting one outcome is more likely.

You yourself have even admitted you hope those laws have a chilling effect on speech. And yet you're also pretending that that wouldn't be noticed in court.

States have had this law for awhile and its not been overturned.

 

[avenue94]

States have had this law for awhile and its not been overturned.

As did states with segregated classrooms, states that banned gay marriage, states that enacted obviously unconstitutional laws, etc.

The legal system works slowly, and the Supreme Court even slower.

Not to mention nearly every city and state has obviously illegal laws that exist on the books still because they aren't actively enforced.

 

[oldshadow]

As did states with segregated classrooms, states that banned gay marriage, states that enacted obviously unconstitutional laws, etc.

The legal system works slowly, and the Supreme Court even slower.

Not to mention nearly every city and state has obviously illegal laws that exist on the books still because they aren't actively enforced.

Your grasping for straws. Its legal and constitutional untill its overturned which it shows no sign of.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The same reason I expect nearly any public servant to not try and hide their identity. Trust is extremely important, as is public servants knowing that their neighbors and community know who they are.

I'm fine with SWAT and those participating in things like no knock warrants covering their faces. ICE is not operating in that environment, most of who they sweep up are nonviolent offenders at this point.

Do you want to reference which surfing guy or church we're referring to in particular?

And liquor stores are unfortunately a vital public health need during lockdowns, hence the exemption.

I'm American lol. Should I take your refusal to answer as you not knowing of other developed democracies letting police mask up for immigration raids?

B.S. if you are fine with SWAT and those serving warrants being covered then you should be fine with ICE unless you want them doxxed.


Really? Ok:

Paddle boarder chased by boat, arrested in Malibu after flouting coronavirus closures

The man, who wasn't identified, faces a fine of $1,000 or six months in jail, or both, if convicted of violating the state stay-at-home order.

www.latimes.com

California pastor, church found in contempt, fined over Covid rules

Calvary Chapel San Jose and its pastor had been ordered by a judge to stop holding indoor gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.nbcnews.com

Church is vital as well.

Confused with poster on the other thread.

What did I refuse to answer?

 

[avenue94]

Your grasping for straws. Its legal and constitutional untill its overturned which I s shows no sign of.

If you say so. One only has to ignore the obvious constitutional red flags, the multiple lower court rulings tossing out anti-mask laws, or rulings like NAACP v Alabama that established the activists' partial right to privacy when there isn't a compelling state interest.

 

[oldshadow]

If you say so. One only has to ignore the obvious constitutional red flags, the multiple lower court rulings tossing out anti-mask laws, or rulings like NAACP v Alabama that established the activists' partial right to privacy when there isn't a compelling state interest.

NAACP v Alabama was about the NAACP list of people and some have tried to stretch to to anti mask laws but its not worked.

 

[avenue94]

B.S. if you are fine with SWAT and those serving warrants being covered then you should be fine with ICE unless you want them doxxed.

A police officer has no right to privacy, just as my local librarian or city council member don't have a right to privacy. Doxing is also legal in the US, so it's a moot point.

Really? Ok:

Paddle boarder chased by boat, arrested in Malibu after flouting coronavirus closures

The man, who wasn't identified, faces a fine of $1,000 or six months in jail, or both, if convicted of violating the state stay-at-home order.

www.latimes.com

Heavy-handed and debatably necessary at the time, I have no problem acknowledging that I'm on the fence of whether enforcing the stay at home order was necessary in this case.

California pastor, church found in contempt, fined over Covid rules

Calvary Chapel San Jose and its pastor had been ordered by a judge to stop holding indoor gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.nbcnews.com

It was an indoor crowd of of hundreds, not fully masked. Either be responsible and order your flock to mask or do the service over zoom and at home or outdoors.

Church is vital as well.

It's not medically vital in the same way as access to liquor. You still don't get why liquor stores were allowed to stay open, do you?

What did I refuse to answer?

What developed democracies allow roving police raids to operate wearing masks when it's mostly non-violent arrests?

 

[avenue94]

NAACP v Alabama was about the NAACP list of people and some have tried to stretch to to anti mask laws but its not worked.

What court cases in your mind have upheld mask laws? I can name several that struck those laws from the books.

And dear lord you are dense if you can't connect the dots between NAACP v Alabama and banning masks at protests specifically.

 

[oldshadow]

What court cases in your mind have upheld mask laws? I can name several that struck those laws from the books.

And dear lord you are dense if you can't connect the dots between NAACP v Alabama and banning masks at protests specifically.

Sure I'll look at them.

And it would be a hell of a stretch to go from a membership list to mask.

 

[avenue94]

Sure I'll look at them.

And it would be a hell of a stretch to go from a membership list to mask.

...So you aren't aware of which cases upheld mask bans and which didn't?

And you're proposing mask bans purely as an attempt to chill speech. Hence that case is relevant.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

A police officer has no right to privacy, just as my local librarian or city council member don't have a right to privacy. Doxing is also legal in the US, so it's a moot point.

Then why are you fine with SWAT and officers doing no-knock wearing them?

Doxxing may be legal, but its certainly dangerous for the officers and their families.


I get why liquor stores were open; dont be silly, but spiritual fellowship is just as vital to many.


Belgian Police

 

[oldshadow]

...So you aren't aware of which cases upheld mask bans and which didn't?

And you're proposing mask bans purely as an attempt to chill speech. Hence that case is relevant.

I saw so me of them and specific parts that has to be charged like for religious reason.

Links to the ones you're talking about.

 

[avenue94]

Then why are you fine with SWAT and officers doing no-knock wearing them?

Because those are much more likely to involve violent criminals and criminal organizations.

Doxxing may be legal, but its certainly dangerous for the officers and their families.

It can be, but transparency has its costs. If a police officer is uncomfortable showing their face in the communities they serve, they are free to quit.

It's not medically vital in the same way as access to liquor. You still don't get why liquor stores were allowed to stay open, do you?

What developed democracies allow roving police raids to operate wearing masks when it's mostly non-violent arrests?

Should I take you continuously refusing to answer these simple questions as a lack of knowledge on the issues?

 

[avenue94]

I saw so me of them and specific parts that has to be charged like for religious reason.

Links to the ones you're talking about.

Ghafari v. Municipal Court, there a few local court rulings on this issue.

 

[oldshadow]

Ghafari v. Municipal Court, there a few local court rulings on this issue.

That was California and they still have an anti mask law. The law they had was modified because one part of it was an over reacting.

 

[avenue94]

That was California and they still have an anti mask law. The law they had was modified because one part of it was an over reacting.

It's still quite relevant, and again, you can't argue that the NAACP has a compelling interest in privacy for freedom of speech and association, and then turn around and claim that mask bans targeting protests wouldn't constitute a massive chilling effect.

And where are your cases upholding mask laws?

 

[oldshadow]

It's still quite relevant, and again, you can't argue that the NAACP has a compelling interest in privacy for freedom of speech and association, and then turn around and claim that mask bans targeting protests wouldn't constitute a massive chilling effect.

And where are your cases upholding mask laws?

Why dont we go with a famous one
KNIGHTS OF KU KLUX KLAN v. Kerik
CHURCH OF AMER. KNIGHTS OF KU KLUX KLAN v. Kerik.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/232/205/2521217/

 

[Witchhunt]

Really ironic coming from Cali after their draconian covid laws.

Curious if they will also ban mask for peotesters.

It’s a racist ploy against female Muslim ice agents.