Thanks for repeating what I just said as if you were saying something new.
And again...literally just repeating what I said.
Of course you do, because you don't know what you're talking about. Thank you for wasting both of our time.
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Break down of many reasons why Intersex does not fit into the binary.
There are a lot of good ones that are blacked behind a pay wall (university gives me access to them). You obviously won't read them because it doesn't fit your narrative but I encourage others to
I look forward to you addressing nothing and crashing out again.
i didn't say anything about gender dysphoria. you must be confusing me with some other poster. i was just mocking you knowing that there's a high probability whatever you say is wrong. try to keep up.As always, deflecting from. The current topic because you know you're wrong. You know that im right about Gender Dysphoria and can't say otherwise because there are already listed facts showing that you're wong, so you're making a poor attempt at attacking my credibility instead. It must get exhausting running from facts and being a hyper emotional man child.
there's not much debate at all, intersexuality is a mutation of the two-sex binary. there's no serious debate about this at all, it's all settled science. acting like there is a debate because some idiots talk about it is like saying hey we're not sure about the earth, there's serious debate about it possibly being flat. that's what those "debates" you mention are. flat earth theory of sexes. it's pathetic.Intersexuality is a heavily discussed topic when looking at Gender Binaries. It fits into neither the male or female binary. While many do not lable it as a seperate sex , they also do not lable it within the existing binary(which is illogical). Thus there is much debate on the topic and on the way we define sex within a binary.
nobody serious is challenging it. it's settled science that 100% accounts for all intersex mutations as strictly part of the two sex binary. just like there's not another human species that appears when somebody is born with 3 legs, the same way is for intersex. two sexes, with mutations. that's it.Since one of us has to be intellectually honest, and it obviously will never be you, I will admit that I over simplified the in previous conversations. I could and should have been more nuanced in my stance. So, I will amend that stance. My stance is as follows: The notion that there are only 2 sexes is often challenged due to the existence of intersex individuals.
this is a blog post. are you being serious right now? it's an opinion with no scientific foundation. this person when you look her up writes about queer theory. can you stop posting horseshit links from people directly interested in the results being one way?The way we define sex fails to account for known deviations.
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What Our Skeletons Say About the Sex Binary
Society increasingly accepts gender identity as existing along a spectrum. Human remains show that sex should be viewed the same way.www.sapiens.org
it doesn't touch the flawed definition of SEX, it's about intersex conditions evolving through time. it doesn't say anywhere there's more than 2 sexes.This article touches on the flawed definition of sex.
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Public understanding of intersex: an update on recent findings - International Journal of Impotence Research
Surgical interventions on infants with intersex characteristics are considered justified by some on the grounds that they carry a high risk of intolerable stigma. However, public understanding of intersex and its medicalization are under-researched. We review recent qualitative and quantitative...www.nature.com
still doesn't touch on there being more than 2 sexes, it's just about how intersex people shouldn't be forced into the binary through operations or treatment. fine, nobody says they should, but that doesn't mean they're a third sex, it's just a paper about "they shouldn't be forced to choose to be male or female", whatever that means. it's a societal aspiration, not biological. you understand the difference?This one covers the issue that arise from trying to force intersex children into the sex binary
yeah not shit it fails to fit, since it's a mutation. a three legged due would fail to find a box with 3 shoes in a shoe store.This discusses how intersex fails to fit into the binary and why.
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The Biological Reality of Sex and Intersex: A Response to the Executive Order, “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government” - Pediatric Endocrine Society
The Biological Reality of Sex and Intersex: A Response to the Executive Order, “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government” What is the reason for this Statement? This Statement responds to the Executive Order, “Defending Women from...pedsendo.org
it's the same text over and over. intersex do not fit in the binary. yeah no shit. that doesn't mean the binary is not solidly, scientifically valid. mutations usually do not fit the mold, that's why they are called mutations. they're not "a third sex" because mutations are so different, ranging from nigh invisible that are only present at cellular level and are basically undetectable by someone having them, to being born with a vagina and a penis. the gigantic variation of mutations itself excludes the possibility of a third sex, since it's not internally coherent. DSD are birth defects that are, and here's the rub, sex-specific, meaning they can't change a male into a female, which means only males can get the 5-ARD mutation, for example, which deals with testosterone. funny how that works. i bet none of your links mention stuff like this. how is this mutation, that affects only males, a proof of a third sex?Break down of Many reasons why Intersex does not fit into the binary.
There are a lot of good ones that are blacked behind a pay wall (university gives me access to them). You obviously won't read them because it doesn't fit your narrative but I encourage others to
I addressed all your dumb links. you have serious problems in understanding how biology works and it's very visible for someone that does.I look forward to you addressing nothing and crashing out again.
This has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said and further stems from your ill informed idea that all trans people have Gender Dysphoria and want to transition. Which, yet again, is not true.There's an entire large section of the transgender community that believes in transmedicalism - the idea that being transgender is primarily a medical issue related to the incongruence between an individual's assigned sex at birth and their gender identity, characterized by gender dysphoria.
This was the view for years before the recent trans activists and nonbinary people came into the picture.
If you want to claim you don't need the medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria to transition, then MEDICAL INSURANCE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR IT.
You keep trying the same arguments, getting clearly explained why they're wrong, ignoring facts, and then go back to spouting the sane nonsense. It is exhausting.This is a very easy question to answer. Intersex people are super duper rare. They're a genetic anomaly where something went wrong. It's a defect.
For what feels like the millionth time, this argument does not work. You're comparing phenotypical qualities to geneontypical qualities. It doesn't work. "What is a human being" is not defined by phenotypical traits. It is defined by having human DNA, a genotypical trait. Physical traits are just the expressions of those genes.Human beings born with one leg are genetic anomaly. But we don't all of a sudden say the number of human being's legs are on a spectrum. That would be ridiculous.
We just say human beings have two legs, two arms and ten fingers.
The number of fingers on a human being is not "on a spectrum" because .00001% have 6 fingers on a hand.
"I didn't do the thing you said. I just did exactly what you pointed out"i didn't say anything about gender dysphoria. you must be confusing me with some other poster. i was just mocking you knowing that there's a high probability whatever you say is wrong. try to keep up.
Feelings based argument rather than anything of substance. Your personal refusal to acknowledge debates actively going on does not define reality.there's not much debate at all, intersexuality is a mutation of the two-sex binary. there's no serious debate about this at all, it's all settled science. acting like there is a debate because some idiots talk about it is like saying hey we're not sure about the earth, there's serious debate about it possibly being flat. that's what those "debates" you mention are. flat earth theory of sexes. it's pathetic.
As pointed out above, you and many others have no understanding of genotype vs phenotype. Read the response above.nobody serious is challenging it. it's settled science that 100% accounts for all intersex mutations as strictly part of the two sex binary. just like there's not another human species that appears when somebody is born with 3 legs, the same way is for intersex. two sexes, with mutations. that's it.
Yet again proving my point that you just don't know what you're talking about.yeah not shit it fails to fit, since it's a mutation. a three legged due would fail to find a box with 3 shoes in a shoe store.
Post references multiple studies done on the topic. You have yet to post a single source and repeatedly repeat narrative based on incorrect information born solely from you, a person with interests in only one possible result.this is a blog post. are you being serious right now? it's an opinion with no scientific foundation. this person when you look her up writes about queer theory. can you stop posting horseshit links from people directly interested in the results being one way?
Man you really just hate reading. It directly references flaws with the way sex is categorized within the scope of intersex people.it doesn't touch the flawed definition of SEX, it's about intersex conditions evolving through time. it doesn't say anywhere there's more than 2 sexes.
More of you just not reading and trying to redirect to other shit that nobody one is arguing.still doesn't touch on there being more than 2 sexes, it's just about how intersex people shouldn't be forced into the binary through operations or treatment. fine, nobody says they should, but that doesn't mean they're a third sex, it's just a paper about "they shouldn't be forced to choose to be male or female", whatever that means. it's a societal aspiration, not biological. you understand the difference?
it's the same text over and over. intersex do not fit in the binary. yeah no shit. that doesn't mean the binary is not solidly, scientifically valid. mutations usually do not fit the mold, that's why they are called mutations. they're not "a third sex" because mutations are so different, ranging from nigh invisible that are only present at cellular level and are basically undetectable by someone having them, to being born with a vagina and a penis. the gigantic variation of mutations itself excludes the possibility of a third sex, since it's not internally coherent. DSD are birth defects that are, and here's the rub, sex-specific, meaning they can't change a male into a female, which means only males can get the 5-ARD mutation, for example, which deals with testosterone. funny how that works. i bet none of your links mention stuff like this. how is this mutation, that affects only males, a proof of a third sex?
No, you didn't. You ignored the content and what I said then when on more tangents.I addressed all your dumb links
I know what anisogamous reproduction is. Yes, these species only produce the two gametes, thats not the relevant part of this. The DSD is the part that matters, the end result. When we are left with individual who fail to meet the chromosomal definition of male or female, we need to categorize them as something BECAUSE we are anisogamous species. If those are the 2 boxes then it needs to fit in one or the other. Saying "its a defect" does not erase that need.Here's what you need to research so maybe you won't appear so dumb in the future - anisogamous reproduction. Humans are an anisogamous species, and ALL anisogamous species are completely binary. Anisogamous species have only two gametes that they produce, male and female, and from gametes derive sexual development. when a mutation leads to a DSD, it's right there, it can be written down as an equation, that's how scientifically fixed it is.
There's an entire large section of the transgender community that believes in transmedicalism - the idea that being transgender is primarily a medical issue related to the incongruence between an individual's assigned sex at birth and their gender identity, characterized by gender dysphoria.
This was the view for years before the recent trans activists and nonbinary people came into the picture.
If you want to claim you don't need the medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria to transition, then MEDICAL INSURANCE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR IT.
Self ID is bullshit.
Transmedicalism - Wikipedia
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This is a very easy question to answer. Intersex people are super duper rare. They're a genetic anomaly where something went wrong. It's a defect.
Human beings born with one leg are genetic anomaly. But we don't all of a sudden say the number of human being's legs are on a spectrum. That would be ridiculous.
We just say human beings have two legs, two arms and ten fingers.
The number of fingers on a human being is not "on a spectrum" because .00001% have 6 fingers on a hand.
I'll break it down Barney style and call it a day because I'm about to go on shift.i didn't say anything about gender dysphoria. you must be confusing me with some other poster. i was just mocking you knowing that there's a high probability whatever you say is wrong. try to keep up.
there's not much debate at all, intersexuality is a mutation of the two-sex binary. there's no serious debate about this at all, it's all settled science. acting like there is a debate because some idiots talk about it is like saying hey we're not sure about the earth, there's serious debate about it possibly being flat. that's what those "debates" you mention are. flat earth theory of sexes. it's pathetic.
nobody serious is challenging it. it's settled science that 100% accounts for all intersex mutations as strictly part of the two sex binary. just like there's not another human species that appears when somebody is born with 3 legs, the same way is for intersex. two sexes, with mutations. that's it.
this is a blog post. are you being serious right now? it's an opinion with no scientific foundation. this person when you look her up writes about queer theory. can you stop posting horseshit links from people directly interested in the results being one way?
it doesn't touch the flawed definition of SEX, it's about intersex conditions evolving through time. it doesn't say anywhere there's more than 2 sexes.
still doesn't touch on there being more than 2 sexes, it's just about how intersex people shouldn't be forced into the binary through operations or treatment. fine, nobody says they should, but that doesn't mean they're a third sex, it's just a paper about "they shouldn't be forced to choose to be male or female", whatever that means. it's a societal aspiration, not biological. you understand the difference?
yeah not shit it fails to fit, since it's a mutation. a three legged due would fail to find a box with 3 shoes in a shoe store.
it's the same text over and over. intersex do not fit in the binary. yeah no shit. that doesn't mean the binary is not solidly, scientifically valid. mutations usually do not fit the mold, that's why they are called mutations. they're not "a third sex" because mutations are so different, ranging from nigh invisible that are only present at cellular level and are basically undetectable by someone having them, to being born with a vagina and a penis. the gigantic variation of mutations itself excludes the possibility of a third sex, since it's not internally coherent. DSD are birth defects that are, and here's the rub, sex-specific, meaning they can't change a male into a female, which means only males can get the 5-ARD mutation, for example, which deals with testosterone. funny how that works. i bet none of your links mention stuff like this. how is this mutation, that affects only males, a proof of a third sex?
I addressed all your dumb links. you have serious problems in understanding how biology works and it's very visible for someone that does.
Here's what you need to research so maybe you won't appear so dumb in the future - anisogamous reproduction. Humans are an anisogamous species, and ALL anisogamous species are completely binary. Anisogamous species have only two gametes that they produce, male and female, and from gametes derive sexual development. when a mutation leads to a DSD, it's right there, it can be written down as an equation, that's how scientifically fixed it is. we know them all, strictly categorized scientifically, there's no mystery about it no matter how much lesbian yoga teachers want to believe otherwise.
You can prove me wrong by telling me what intermediate gamete types exist between sperm and egg that would lead to a third sex. show me some research on that 3rd gamete type.
i'll be waiting.
I don't have to acknowledge debates as valid. they're debates in which one side is right and the other is stupid."I didn't do the thing you said. I just did exactly what you pointed out"
Never change Fox.
Feelings based argument rather than anything of substance. Your personal refusal to acknowledge debates actively going on does not define reality.
your sources are not sources. you posted a blog post for fucks sake.As pointed out above, you and many others have no understanding of genotype vs phenotype. Read the response above.
Yet again proving my point that you just don't know what you're talking about.
Post references multiple studies done on the topic. You have yet to post a single source and repeatedly repeat narrative based on incorrect information born solely from you, a person with interests in only one possible result.
There's literally no flaws of category. They are anomalous developments of the sexual binary.Hypocrisy, thy name is Fox.
Man you really just hate reading. It directly references flaws with the way sex is categorized within the scope of intersex people.
this is just acknowledging you have no answer to what i posted.Again, you're ignoring what im actually arguing and instead deflecting due to a lack of fact/effort on your part.
More of you just not reading and trying to redirect to other shit that nobody one is arguing.
No, you didn't. You ignored the content and what I said then when on more tangents.
I bet you didn't and you had to google it. cause if you did you wouldn't come up with the idiotic conclusion of "that's not the relevant part" of discussing about actual sexual reproduction and how the dynamics of that works. you just waved it away cause you know you don't know shit about it and would get caught if you fumbled your google quotes.I know what anisogamous reproduction is. Yes, these species only produce the two gametes, thats not the relevant part of this.
They are categorized as intersex. what the hell are you talking about "they are not categorized"? It just shows how ignorant you are - they are scientifically categorized for decades. you just have no clue about it.The DSD is the part that matters, the end result. When we are left with individual who fail to meet the chromosomal definition of male or female, we need to categorize them as something BECAUSE we are anisogamous species. If those are the 2 boxes then it needs to fit in one or the other. Saying "its a defect" does not erase that need.
They do fit into a definition. the definition is intersex, and it's an anomaly of the sexual binary.That is the issue. They SHOULD fit into one of the two but they don't. The definition was not made to accommodate for this and therefore is flawed. So, you either need to categorize them differently, or change the definition to utilize more factors that would allow them to fit into one of the two boxes.
holy fucking shit, he's bringing in kindergarten level arguments.I'll break it down Barney style and call it a day because I'm about to go on shift.
You have to pack and organize 20 things by type. Problem is, you only have 2 boxes that can fit one thing each, and EVERYTHING needs to get packed. That gives you two options.
1) keep 2 categories and buy 2 bigger boxes
2) make more categories and buy more small boxes.
You have to do one
"Anyone who ever disagrees with me is wrong and stupid, therefore I don't ever need to acknowledge my own logical inconsistencies"I don't have to acknowledge debates as valid. they're debates in which one side is right and the other is stupid.
More proof that you're hard misdirecting from when I explicitly said im not arguing they are a 3rd sex. I'm pointing out that the means of categorizing is flawed.your sources are not sources. you posted a blog post for fucks sake.
and the other "sources" said NOTHING about the existence of a third sex.
literally NOTHING.
There's literally no flaws of category. They are anomalous developments of the sexual binary.
this is just acknowledging you have no answer to what i posted.
Just lol. More feelings with no basis. If you cited sources for every insult you threw, you'd actually be a good poster.I bet you didn't and you had to google it.
They are not categorized within the make female binary. Those are the only 2 options yet they are not fitting. Therefore, the means of separating them is wrong. You're intentionally dancing around the issue to fit your bias. You insult to deflecting from answering questions you don't have answers to.They are categorized as intersex. what the hell are you talking about "they are not categorized"? It just shows how ignorant you are - they are scientifically categorized for decades. you just have no clue about it.
Case and pointyou're a fucking retard and you don't even know what i wrote there, you'll have to google it. anyone reading this can see how fucking dumb and ignorant you are.
You do not need to expand the definition nearly that much. You simply need to expand chromosomes only. That simple. Make them fit into either male or female.do you even understand how wide the category would be? you'd have to put together individuals that have no developmental connection whatsoever. You'd have to put together people that don't have androgen receptors for testosterone metabolization with people with pituitary gland developmental abnormalities.
Lol as always your solution is to run away from the problem. You know that you're wrong so you close your eyes like a toddler, pick up all your toys, and scream until you're left alone.holy fucking shit, he's bringing in kindergarten level arguments.
problem with your dumb argument is that in real life you do have two boxes - one containing male, the other female, and a plastic bag containing the rejects of the two former. and the plastic bag is not a box. it's just the defective units.
tadaaa.
jesus christ you're dumb.
lmao. you just got stomped and run away as usual when the discussion turns technical."Anyone who ever disagrees with me is wrong and stupid, therefore I don't ever need to acknowledge my own logical inconsistencies"
-FOX 2025
More proof that you're hard misdirecting from when I explicitly said im not arguing they are a 3rd sex. I'm pointing out that the means of categorizing is flawed.
Just lol. More feelings with no basis. If you cited sources for every insult you threw, you'd actually be a good poster.
They are not categorized within the make female binary. Those are the only 2 options yet they are not fitting. Therefore, the means of separating them is wrong. You're intentionally dancing around the issue to fit your bias. You insult to deflecting from answering questions you don't have answers to.
Case and point
You do not need to expand the definition nearly that much. You simply need to expand chromosomes only. That simple. Make them fit into either male or female.
Lol as always your solution is to run away from the problem. You know that you're wrong so you close your eyes like a toddler, pick up all your toys, and scream until you're left alone.
Well don't worry kiddo. I'll leave you alone. Peace
Brother, you literally refused to answer the simplest possible question and threw a tantrum. You cited no sources. Slung more insults than you stated facts. Then you completely ignored what I actually was arguing and kept asking questions about a topic im not arguing.lmao. you just got stomped and run away as usual when the discussion turns technical.
you have no clue about anything related to the subject and it shows.
and still no answer to the question - what intermediate gamete types exist between sperm and egg that would lead to a third sex?
come on, kid. try and answer.
I answered multiple times your idiotic theory that intersex "need to be categorized somehow waaaah" with the FACT that they actually ARE categorized somehow, as anomalies of the sexual binary.Brother, you literally refused to answer the simplest possible question and threw a tantrum. You cited no sources. Slung more insults than you stated facts. Then you completely ignored what I actually was arguing and kept asking questions about a topic im not arguing.
You're just troll and get a reaction. Fair enough. You got it. Im not gonna engage with you when you just ignore everything and redirect.
I got work to get to and I don't come on here to yell facts at brick walls. I genuinely wish you the best. Have a great day man