Elections California bans voter ID

[Andy Capp]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a photo ID generally will be usable as legal identification even beyond the validity of its purpose. Sure, you might end up looking pretty different after a long time, but an expired driver's license or a hole-punched passport technically can be used for airport security, bars, photo ID when using a credit card, etc.

You would think but I've had photo id rejected as invalid just because it was expired before. Some shit doesn't make sense sometimes.

 

[Poon Goon]

what's california waiting for then? why don't they make it free. it's democrats in charge. don't they want people to get a free ID?

Very quick google shows that CA does try and help with this. No fee for oldsters and homeless. Reduced fee for the housed poors ($11).

Reduced Fee ID Cards​

Generally, there is a nonrefundable fee to apply for a new ID card, to renew an ID card, or to change your name on your ID card. In certain circumstances, the fee may be waived or reduced:

• Reduced fee ID card: You may be eligible to pay a reduced application fee for an original or renewal ID card if you meet income requirements for selected governmental or non-profit assistance programs. If you are eligible, the program will give you a completed Verification for Reduced Fee Identification Card (DL 937) form to take to DMV office. See your local public assistance program agency for information about eligibility requirements and obtaining a DL 937.
• No-fee ID card: You may be eligible for a no-fee ID card if you are a “homeless person” as defined by the McKinney-Vento Act. This includes (but isn’t limited to) a homeless child or youth, a homeless person, or an individual or family fleeing domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, stalking, or another dangerous, life-threatening condition.
• Senior ID card: To qualify for a no-fee senior citizen ID card, you must be at least 62 years old.

ID Cards - California DMV

How to get an ID card

www.dmv.ca.gov

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Very quick google shows that CA does try and help with this. No fee for oldsters and homeless. Reduced fee for the housed poors ($11).

Reduced Fee ID Cards​

Generally, there is a nonrefundable fee to apply for a new ID card, to renew an ID card, or to change your name on your ID card. In certain circumstances, the fee may be waived or reduced:

• Reduced fee ID card: You may be eligible to pay a reduced application fee for an original or renewal ID card if you meet income requirements for selected governmental or non-profit assistance programs. If you are eligible, the program will give you a completed Verification for Reduced Fee Identification Card (DL 937) form to take to DMV office. See your local public assistance program agency for information about eligibility requirements and obtaining a DL 937.
• No-fee ID card: You may be eligible for a no-fee ID card if you are a “homeless person” as defined by the McKinney-Vento Act. This includes (but isn’t limited to) a homeless child or youth, a homeless person, or an individual or family fleeing domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, stalking, or another dangerous, life-threatening condition.
• Senior ID card: To qualify for a no-fee senior citizen ID card, you must be at least 62 years old.

ID Cards - California DMV

How to get an ID card

www.dmv.ca.gov

so what's with the "banning voter id" law since it's so cheap to get one?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yeah I'm sure you know plenty of non homeless people who are too poor to have an ID, yet are still somehow able to afford to have a roof over their head and food in their mouths.

I mean who doesn't, right? Plenty of people out there who have never opened a bank account, never worked a legitimate job and never bought a six pack of beer. I know about two dozen people who don't even have the means to get to a DMV, a job or even a store for that matter. Don't you?

I know all sorts of people who have never done anything but stay inside their homes and vote. They've never experienced anything in life but god dammit they're still exercising their right to vote and that's who we are all fighting for here!

0.2% of americans are homeless as we speak and 7.4% have been homeless at some point in their lives.

Counting the Number of Individuals Experiencing Homelessness - Permanent Supportive Housing - NCBI Bookshelf

for the record, that 0.2% means 800,000 people. if they can't even pay rent, how are they supposed to buy an ID or commute to the RMV?

 

[RoastBeast]

0.2% of americans are homeless as we speak and 7.4% have been homeless at some point in their lives.

Counting the Number of Individuals Experiencing Homelessness - Permanent Supportive Housing - NCBI Bookshelf

for the record, that 0.2% means 800,000 people. if they can't even pay rent, how are they supposed to buy an ID or commute to the RMV?

That's half my point. They're homeless, they're hardly out there voting.

Also homeless people buy shit and travel around the city all the time so even they are capable of getting an ID if they really needed to. If they can buy meth, they can certainly buy an ID.

But it's really all a moot point because that guy tweaking and scrubbing the cracks in the sidewalk with a toothbrush is probably not receiving a voting ballot and doing anything other than wiping his ass with it anyway.

 

[The Big Yin]

We had our first parliamentary election this year where ID was required to vote in person. Anyone without voter ID could apply for a free one.

There was little opposition to it as universally it was accepted as being common sense - despite the fact mass postal vote fraud was committed 20 years ago in Birmingham

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

That's half my point. They're homeless, they're hardly out there voting.

and? it's not about whether or not they're consistently voting, it's about voting being an innate right in this country.

Also homeless people buy shit and travel around the city all the time so even they are capable of getting an ID if they really needed to. If they can buy meth, they can certainly buy an ID.

meth you can get anywhere. they only sell ID's at the RMV.

 

[RoastBeast]

and? it's not about whether or not they're consistently voting, it's about voting being an innate right in this country.

meth you can get anywhere. they only sell ID's at the RMV.

You know you have a bad argument when you're arguing that there are homeless meth head avid voters out there that are going to be stripped of their innate right to vote because they can't walk to a DMV to get an ID.

If that's where you are in the argument, it's time to maybe do a little self reflection on the issue and realize that these fantasy victims of voter ID that you guys are drumming up just don't really exist.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You know you have a bad argument when you're arguing that there are homeless meth head avid voters out there that are going to be stripped of their innate right to vote because they can't walk to a DMV to get an ID.

that's how democracy works. those people get to vote too. if you don't like it, go to north korea.

If that's where you are in the argument, it's time to maybe do a little self reflection on the issue and realize that these fantasy victims of voter ID that you guys are drumming up just don't really exist.

again, almost 9% of US citizens 18 or older don't have ID.

https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20ID%202023%20survey%20Key%20Results%20Jan%202024%20%281%29.pdf

that's 21 million people lol you think 21 million people shouldn't be able to vote

 

[BFoe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a photo ID generally will be usable as legal identification even beyond the validity of its purpose. Sure, you might end up looking pretty different after a long time, but an expired driver's license or a hole-punched passport technically can be used for airport security, bars, photo ID when using a credit card, etc.

This varies state to state.
In Alabama, it appears that your ID must either be current or if expired, it must be expired less than 60 days. Anything over 60 days is not valid ID.

In Florida, it appears that the ID must be current and valid plus have photo and signature. If you don’t have any ID like that, you can cast a provisional ballot, which will count if your signature on the ballot matches the signature on your registration record…we all know how fun signature matching has become though, I wouldn’t feel super good about that.

Nationwide Voter ID Laws - Rock the Vote

Most states do not require you to bring your voter registration card to the polls but many states do expect you to provide another form of ID to vote. Find out if you need to bring an ID to vote in your state.

www.rockthevote.org

 

[spamking]

Republicans keep pushing for voter ID because they know a lot of people in the Democratic base do not have valid ID's.

The scare tactic they keep using is that there is widespread voter fraud or illegals voting - which is simply not true.

God forbid we make sure someone who registers to vote is who they claim to be and require ID verification upon voter registration.

 

[spamking]

Your DMV isn't every person's DMV in the country.

Can someone fact check me on some places having to show up to renew a licence?

In Oklahoma, we can renew our license online at least once without needing to show up in person.

 

[spamking]

Well your picture has to be updated for one dumb dumb. So you think people keep the same picture on their Driver’s License for 50 years? You really are one of the stupidest people who’s ever walked the earth.

Okay even if it takes 2 hours sit there and wait like a normal person.

@Deorum doesn't AZ have like a 20 or 25 year license?

 

[RoastBeast]

that's how democracy works. those people get to vote too. if you don't like it, go to north korea.

again, almost 9% of US citizens 18 or older don't have ID.

https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20ID%202023%20survey%20Key%20Results%20Jan%202024%20%281%29.pdf

that's 21 million people lol you think 21 million people shouldn't be able to vote

I never said they shouldn't be able to vote. That's nothing but a strawman.

That link just involves polling people and 9% said they don't have a current drivers license. You have no idea why they don't have a current license but odds are it's not because they just cannot physically get to a DMV.

If you can find active voters that can't get to a DMV, I'm sure we could easily fund programs to get these peopled bussed to a DMV. I'm not sure how many homeless meth heads would get on that bus though.

 

[spamking]

A lot of poorer people don't have valid ID.

How do they cash a check or collect any other benefits, etc.

I'd suspect this is about as much of a myth as your complaint about Republicans whining about voter fraud.

 

[spamking]

What do those things have to do with voting?

That is like saying you need to pass a drivers test to be able to buy/drive a car by yourself but you don't need to pass a "firearms" test to be able to buy/use firearms by yourself.

At least in Oklahoma it has quite a lot to do with voting. You need to prove your identity in some manner to get your FREE Oklahoma Voter ID. Having a valid Oklahoma Driver's License is just one of those ways to prove your identity.

 

[spamking]

I just voted today in Nevada, the poll workers verified my name and signature and brought up my registration in seconds. No poll tax...I mean "voter ID" needed.

Murica!!!

P.S. - there were MAGAtards outside yelling at random people. Good times.

But you had to prove your identity when you initially registered to vote though right?

 

[emefer]

How do they cash a check or collect any other benefits, etc.

I'd suspect this is about as much of a myth as your complaint about Republicans whining about voter fraud.

Movement Advancement Project | The ID Divide: How Barriers to ID Impact Different Communities and Affect Everyone

MAP's 2022 spotlight report is a robust cross-population analysis and recommends systemic solutions to remove barriers and improve access to IDs.

www.mapresearch.org

Key items in the report:

• Overall, roughly one in eight adults in this country—nearly 30 million people—lack a valid driver’s license, one of the most common forms of ID.
• An estimated 15-18 million adults in the United States—more than the total population of Pennsylvania—do not have access to documents proving their birth or citizenship, which are often necessary to obtain an ID.
• While roughly 12% of U.S. adults nationwide lack a valid driver’s license, this varies widely across communities: an estimated 21% of Black adults, 23% of Hispanic adults, and 68% of transgender people don’t have a valid, accurate driver’s license.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I never said they shouldn't be able to vote. That's nothing but a strawman.

you are arguing for a policy that would remove their ability to vote. what is the difference?

That link just involves polling people and 9% said they don't have a current drivers license. You have no idea why they don't have a current license but odds are it's not because they just cannot physically get to a DMV.

so you just didn't read it, clearly. its government ID, not drivers license, though they include expired licenses in the criteria. and they polled 2,400 people. that's a healthy sample size for a study of this kind.

If you can find active voters that can't get to a DMV, I'm sure we could easily fund programs to get these peopled bussed to a DMV. I'm not sure how many homeless meth heads would get on that bus though.

every single one of them, regardless of where they are at the time, would have to be available, fully 100%-notified of its existence, and in close proximity to a pickup area. otherwise, it's supressing votes.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Dems hate blacks and poors.