Elections California bans voter ID

[Scerpi]

So bus fare and gas are poll taxes? We should give everyone free transportation to vote too?

I'd agree with this... Maybe not the gas part

There should be free bussing available for neighborhoods where people have limited options to get to a polling location.

Or set up more, smaller voting locations in these locations so it's much easier to get there.

 

[SirRealKiller]

I'd agree with this... Maybe not the gas part

There should be free bussing available for neighborhoods where people have limited options to get to a polling location.

Or set up more, smaller voting locations in these locations so it's much easier to get there.

Well, you do understand how much this would cost? A large chunk of rural America people have to drive 10+ miles to vote. Should we be sending school buses out picking everyone up? How do you propose we pay for this?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Ok, so buses and gas should be free? Fucking clown. GTFO with this commie BS.

Also explains why you don't want citizens to own guns. Hard for commies to dictate their ideology to an armed population.

the guy who wants to suppress votes calling other people dictators. never change, right-wingers.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

That is what has been proposed by republicans, provide a free ID but that's still a no go for Dems.

What states with republican governors and republican state houses and senate offer ID at no cost? I'm genuinely curiously.

And for gas and buses there are taxes you must pay to the government to buy those too, so either way your means to vote pays a "toll" to the government. If you should not be required to buy an ID to vote then you should also not be required to pay property tax with the threat of having your home taken if you don't. People not voting is a much lesser issue than people losing their homes to taxation. Taxation is a barrier to owning a home, but people do not seem so upset about that as someone paying small amount to buy an ID.

Not even sure what point you're trying to make here since you don't have to be a land owner in order to vote. This is all just a strawman argument you're making at this point.

 

[Kassitus]

Ok, another one with barely a surface level understanding of the topic...


Here's a dot point version:

- Its not about whether black people in general can afford IDs, its about shaving percentages off voting population with small hurdles
- Theres no evidence what so ever that theres mass scale voter fraud happening that will be fixed with IDs
- Republicans dont want voter ID because they care about election integrity (they were ready to throw democracy out the window for their 80 year old boy-king), they want as many roadblocks to voting as possible, because they rely on voter suppression to win.

There's no mandatory voting in US, and every roadblock to voting, no matter how insignificant it may seem on its own, will help Republican's win

Well, regardless of whether there is some huge fraud being prevented, voting should require an ID simply because it's a serious matter and can prevent fraud no matter how insignificant an amount. If it's a hurdle for a small amount of people we could just help them without removing the requirement.

 

[SirRealKiller]

What states with republican governors and republican state houses and senate offer ID at no cost? I'm genuinely curiously.



Not even sure what point you're trying to make here since you don't have to be a land owner in order to vote. This is all just a strawman argument you're making at this point.

One example of several made by Republicans:

House Bill 5007 of 2021 - Michigan Legislature

legislature.mi.gov

This one the, Democrat Governor vetoed the bill.

The point about housing and voter ID is people make a huge deal about requiring a small amount of money to be spent on an ID to vote but have no issue with people's homes being taken if they don't pay their property tax. It's such an egregious thing to require an ID to vote but taking someone's home due to some government "fee" is no big deal. It's just logical BS. Taxing someone's home with the threat of taking it is a much bigger violation of someone's liberty than requiring them to pay $20-$30 every 4-5 years to get an ID. And again, like 95% of people have a driver's license already and another 2-3% of people already have a state ID. So you're talking maybe 2-3% of people who don't have a valid ID and only about 40% of people vote anyway so maybe 1% of people who want to vote don't have a valid ID. Yet we are perfectly OK with possible election fraud so 1% people, who most of could afford an ID, can vote? Risk valid elections for that? No.

 

[Ruke Doufus]

You need an ID to get a job, buy cigarettes or alcohol, get in a club, go to a dr's appt, pick up meds from pharmacy, etc etc

Everybody I know poor or not has an ID.

It's a racist fantasy for leftists to pretend that any non whites are too dumb to get id.

The stupidity of their argument is clear if you consider everything else you need id for. In their world, these poor idiot minorities are just bumbling around in the dark without bank accounts or means to do anything except try to find their way to the polls and vote without id.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

One example of several made by Republicans:

House Bill 5007 of 2021 - Michigan Legislature

legislature.mi.gov

This one the, Democrat Governor vetoed the bill.

The point about housing and voter ID is people make a huge deal about requiring a small amount of money to be spent on an ID to vote but have no issue with people's homes being taken if they don't pay their property tax. It's such an egregious thing to require an ID to vote but taking someone's home due to some government "fee" is no big deal. It's just logical BS. Taxing someone's home with the threat of taking it is a much bigger violation of someone's liberty than requiring them to pay $20-$30 every 4-5 years to get an ID. And again, like 95% of people have a driver's license already and another 2-3% of people already have a state ID. So you're talking maybe 2-3% of people who don't have a valid ID and only about 40% of people vote anyway so maybe 1% of people who want to vote don't have a valid ID. Yet we are perfectly OK with possible election fraud so 1% people, who most of could afford an ID, can vote? Risk valid elections for that? No.

bro has to say "risk election fraud" because he knows there's no evidence to fall back on. in a country where the majority votes democrat, he's still perplexed when republicans lose elections. it has be fraud. kinda funny.

 

[SirRealKiller]

bro has to say "risk election fraud" because he knows there's no evidence to fall back on. in a country where the majority votes democrat, he's still perplexed when republicans lose elections. it has be fraud. kinda funny.

No, there has been election fraud, that's not even a question. The question is how much election fraud is happening, that's harder to figure out because we have no fucking clue who is actually voting.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz

www.heritage.org

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

No, there has been election fraud, that's not even a question. The question is how much election fraud is happening, that's harder to figure out because we have no fucking clue who is actually voting.

lmao sure thing man.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

No, there has been election fraud, that's not even a question. The question is how much election fraud is happening, that's harder to figure out because we have no fucking clue who is actually voting.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz

www.heritage.org

As somebody who does audits for a living, go take some statistics and auditing courses so you can figure out how math & audit sampling works. After a couple of years, you can come back and explain to all these auditors that you were both ignorant and incorrect in your assessments.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Since I live in California, I'm going to make a point to shove my ID in their face when I go and vote.

This whole dispute about needing ID's is so stupid. It's such a common requirement across the globe.

Everyone was screaming fake outrage about the phony claims of the Venezuela election while they employ way more safeguards to prevent election fraud than the US.

 

[Bagatur]

I seriously dont get this argument. Even if you're afraid that voter ID laws make it harder for your voting base to vote (and that is a big if), the solution is not to outright ban then. The solution is to make it easier for every citizen to get a valid ID. I mean, you expect them to make an effort to come and vote once every 4 years. Is it really that much to expect them to come and get/extend a proper ID every 4 or more years?
and is there any proof to the claim that it is democratic voters that are disadvantaged? So far I have seen claims that it costs too much (both the ID and traveling to get one), so it is tied to their socio-economic status. Well, poverty is not unique to democrats. There are plenty of poor republicans.

 

[Jeffy37]

i've voted democrat twice and republican once, being trump. didn't vote for a president this time. so close.

I misjudged you. I apologize.

 

[MacGregor]