Elections California bans voter ID

[A Very Serious Cat]

It always cracks me up when Americans go on about people not being able to get IDs

 

[koquerelle]

The government should put forward a program to help those who can't get an ID if it's so hard. It would be useful for more than just the elections.

 

[sickc0d3r]

so
does this also mean A person can vote more than once?

How would that work? You have to provide proof of your identity when you register. Each registered voter gets one vote in federal elections by federal law. States are responsible for enforcing that.

Polling stations have the names and signatures of registered voters in their precinct, and if they can’t find you, you get a provisional which won’t count unless it is determined to be legit. Double voting is flagged and neither vote will count until they figure out what happened. Even if you manage to vote under a couple of other registered names, and those people try to vote legitimately, only the vote that’s legitimate can be counted, if at all.

I mean, people also vote by drop box and by mail, they certainly don’t need to flash voter id’s at the mailbox.

Th best argument for in person voter id is just that it might streamline the voting process if you can just scan the id as you walk in, instead of greeters pulling up your name and watching you sign in. And I think most dems would support a freely distributed id for all citizens. But you’d still have to be able vote without it by signature match or at least get a provisional ballot to be verified by screeners, because it’s a right.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Polling stations have the names and signatures of registered voters in their precinct, and if they can’t find you, you get a provisional which won’t count unless it is determined to be legit. Double voting is flagged and neither vote will count until they figure out what happened. Even if you manage to vote under a couple of other registered names, and those people try to vote legitimately, only the vote that’s legitimate can be counted, if at all.

How do they determine which vote is legitimate?

 

[High Test With da Best]

I’ve lived in California for 50 years and every single person I have ever met old young poor wealthy American or otherwise and even illegals have had ID of some kind.
One can get a California ID card for free.

that's the thing about ID's. they expire.

Once again these imaginary people you know don’t leave their houses for 8 years stretches? Because that’s how long an ID is generally good for. Go on weirdo, still sending internet gifts to that guy who got banned for stalking people?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a photo ID generally will be usable as legal identification even beyond the validity of its purpose. Sure, you might end up looking pretty different after a long time, but an expired driver's license or a hole-punched passport technically can be used for airport security, bars, photo ID when using a credit card, etc.

 

[ShadowRun]

The government should put forward a program to help those who can't get an ID if it's so hard. It would be useful for more than just the elections.

Combined information with all the agencies and have a program that sends out ID's. In other country's you can pull your ID up in a app and use that everywhere.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

In your world we all have public transport...is that not what you said? Or are you taking that back as well now? The way you're spouting you haven't even left your town, let alone state or travelled abroad.
Internet gifts? What on earth have you imagined in your vapid dullard little head here? Lol.

Man, he should take a tour of eastern Kentucky sometime.

I would love for him to explain how the poor Republicans in that area can walk hours and up and down mountains to get to an ID at a government building in some places.

The southern half of the county I grew up in has one central location for the county. If you walked from the southern portion of the county to the lone office in the county where you can get an ID, you'd have to walk 10 hours according to Google maps. And I'm not entirely sure that it factors that you are walking up and down the big ass mountains.

 

[emefer]

Yea, that isn't reassuring at all.

It seems like the American left are more libertarian on voting processes and take a faith based approach to ensuring its integrity.

I’m more worried about voter suppression tactics where 1 person can challenge the rights of countless people to vote. Pam Reardon challenged 30,000 people alone.

 

[sickc0d3r]

How do they determine which vote is legitimate?

I am sure it involves contacting the person and figuring it out what might have happened, for starters. That lady in AZ was convicted of double voting because she tried to vote by absentee ballot and in person. I think they questioned her, didn't like her answers, and took her to court.

Which is the other thing, even if there is some small chance you'll get away with impersonating a real voter, the risk (at least in my state) is a class 5 felony conviction. Seems like a lot of risk with in-person voting, when your measly couple of extra votes aren't even going to matter to the outcome. I'm not even against voter id's, it's just not really a significant concern. And like I said, you'd still need alternative ways to get a ballot and be verified if you've lost the id or something.

Edit: Also, FYI, California requires identification the first time you vote unless you provided it when you registered. Which would be the same way you'd get a "voter id" in the first place, by identifying yourself when you register.

 

[AWilder]

Why is it so hard for the Democratic base to get a valid ID? I got my Driver’s License renewed the other day and it took roughly 30 minutes.

The DMV doesn't even have an espresso machine, why would I get a legal ID when I can be spending my time being woke somewhere with an Expresso machine?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a photo ID generally will be usable as legal identification even beyond the validity of its purpose. Sure, you might end up looking pretty different after a long time, but an expired driver's license or a hole-punched passport technically can be used for airport security, bars, photo ID when using a credit card, etc.

no. expiry date makes it completely invalid as a form of identification.

 

[RoastBeast]

You pompous, self righteous, racist, Left Cult idiots.



Everyone should have an ID and it's made really easy to obtain.

Love how he exposes how dumb and racist anyone is for thinking that black people can't get an ID or figure out how to get to a DMV.

 

[Scerpi]

No, you don't.

I was a manager making six figures and lost my wallet. I worked in the city and commuted to work, didn't have or need a car at the time, so only replaced my credit cards. Didn't bother replacing any of my ID until I had to travel to Europe to train people in a new office, I didn't have valid ID for years.

Well geez... That settles it...

Guess I've been carrying around an ID for no reason for decades

lol

 

[RoastBeast]

lol not true. There’s plenty of super poor people out there.

Make ID free every where

Yeah I'm sure you know plenty of non homeless people who are too poor to have an ID, yet are still somehow able to afford to have a roof over their head and food in their mouths.

I mean who doesn't, right? Plenty of people out there who have never opened a bank account, never worked a legitimate job and never bought a six pack of beer. I know about two dozen people who don't even have the means to get to a DMV, a job or even a store for that matter. Don't you?

I know all sorts of people who have never done anything but stay inside their homes and vote. They've never experienced anything in life but god dammit they're still exercising their right to vote and that's who we are all fighting for here!

 

[Islam Imamate]

You can get a basic ID the same way you get a Driver’s License. And sorry Chief I don’t think you’re attending college without a valid ID. Once again bus routes aren’t expensive, make a day of it if you have to it’s not like you’re working any kind of normal job without an ID. Obtaining an ID would be step 1 in bettering one’s life. IDs generally only have to be renewed every 4-8 years. Youre telling me these people don’t leave the house for 8 years lmao.

Idk about Cali but in some states like NC the voter ID laws specifically bar the IDs that Democrats are more likely to use such as student IDs.

If voter ID laws allowed any state issued IDs or even better actively mailed them out to registered voters I think there would be less resistance to the idea.

 

[StewDogg11]

Idk about Cali but in some states like NC the voter ID laws specifically bar the IDs that Democrats are more likely to use such as student IDs.

If voter ID laws allowed any state issued IDs or even better actively mailed them out to registered voters I think there would be less resistance to the idea.

Can you even attend college without a valid ID? It’s been years since I was in college but I remember a valid ID was part of the admissions process.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Can you even attend college without a valid ID? It’s been years since I was in college but I remember a valid ID was part of the admissions process.

As far as I know you can't but then if so why not allow student IDs? The only way the person could have gotten it is if they had valid ID. To be clear I am thinking specifically of a NC voter law that was struck down ~8 years ago because the lawmakers admitted they wrote it to make it harder for blacks to vote so its useful for understanding what kinds of features make a voter ID law disproportionately impactful on certain communities. One of those was barring student IDs as valid ID but allowing hunter's licenses because students are more liberal while hunters lean right.

 

[Andy Capp]

Most developed countries require you to produce valid, government issued identification. This really shouldn't be controversial.

Lol @ all the bullshit excuses in this thread : "Hear me out! What if there is a woman who finishes her shift as a waitress, oh and she's POOR!........and she she can't afford bus fare to go home, so she has to hitch hike home,but before she goes home, she has to pick up her children from day care, so now she's with her kids, in a truck, with a stranger, going home! and when she gets home,she has to feed her kids food, but because she's poor, it's dog food! Then she has to rush off to her stripper job after the kids are fed and tucked in! We can't expect her to get ID! Did I mention she's poor?"

Like what the fuck are we doing here? Honestly.

Are you familiar with the term "right to work"?

What do you suppose a person should do if even inquiring about time off to go to the DMV--perhaps even needing a whole day to do it--could get them fired in a right to work state?

 

[Deleted member 267581]

I actually don't think anyone really believes the "too poor to get an ID" argument. it's just a rhetoric crutch and nothing more. Even the poorest of the poor in India for example have ID and they require it for voting. The fact that america, richest country, just couldn't figure out giving free IDs to people means it's just politicking. you had 8 years of Obama - why didn't the democrats pass a law to give free IDs to everyone? Why doesn't California pass one like that?

Because it's NOT about the IDs.

Yes it is. Make it free then

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Yes it is. Make it free then

what's california waiting for then? why don't they make it free. it's democrats in charge. don't they want people to get a free ID?