Elections California bans voter ID

[Staph infection]

A lot of poorer people don't have valid ID.

But I bet they have a pack of smokes and booze or drugs.

 

[RoastBeast]

you are arguing for a policy that would remove their ability to vote. what is the difference?

so you just didn't read it, clearly. its government ID, not drivers license, though they include expired licenses in the criteria. and they polled 2,400 people. that's a healthy sample size for a study of this kind.

every single one of them, regardless of where they are at the time, would have to be available, fully 100%-notified of its existence, and in close proximity to a pickup area. otherwise, it's supressing votes.

I'm not looking to remove anyone's ability to vote. If we have some random people out there that fit the criteria of not being able to get an ID, I would be more than happy to get them the assistance they need to get that ID. I just think this whole "they're too poor and can't get to a DMV" excuse is BS for 99.99999% of the population.

It literally says drivers license in your link, not government ID. Polling people and reality are two different things. Kind of like the polls showing Hilary was the runaway 2016 winner. Polls aren't facts. People can not have valid drivers licenses for all sorts of reasons. The least of which is going to be because they can't afford one and cant get to a DMV.

The same people would have to be notified of election day as well as where they could get to the polls because homeless meth heads aren't going to have mailboxes. Same deal applies no matter what way you cut it.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

If you can't get a valid ID you should not be allowed to vote.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

How would that work? You have to provide proof of your identity when you register. Each registered voter gets one vote in federal elections by federal law. States are responsible for enforcing that.

Polling stations have the names and signatures of registered voters in their precinct, and if they can’t find you, you get a provisional which won’t count unless it is determined to be legit. Double voting is flagged and neither vote will count until they figure out what happened. Even if you manage to vote under a couple of other registered names, and those people try to vote legitimately, only the vote that’s legitimate can be counted, if at all.

I mean, people also vote by drop box and by mail, they certainly don’t need to flash voter id’s at the mailbox.

Th best argument for in person voter id is just that it might streamline the voting process if you can just scan the id as you walk in, instead of greeters pulling up your name and watching you sign in. And I think most dems would support a freely distributed id for all citizens. But you’d still have to be able vote without it by signature match or at least get a provisional ballot to be verified by screeners, because it’s a right.

But thats not happening amirite?

No ID necessary therefore you could be bob at one station and dirk diggler at another

 

[sickc0d3r]

God forbid we make sure someone who registers to vote is who they claim to be and require ID verification upon voter registration.

According to the state’s website, California does require identification to register, and you could be asked for accepted forms of document identification the first time you vote in person.

 

[spamking]

According to the state’s website, California does require identification to register, and you could be asked for accepted forms of document identification the first time you vote in person.

Well there you go . . . assuming when you register you also get a CA Voter ID, why virtue signal and "ban" voter ID? If you can prove who you are when you register you shouldn't have any issues presenting your Voter ID at the polling station.

 

[White Whale]

You need valid ID to do multiple things but apparently requiring one for voting is wrong. There are places that offer free government IDs for people that need them.

 

[sickc0d3r]

But thats not happening amirite?

No ID necessary therefore you could be bob at one station and dirk diggler at another

Cali requires identifying documentation to register. This is about requiring it again when you vote in person. You can’t just make up names and vote. If you’re not registered in the precinct you’ll get a provisional ballot. Which will get tossed if you made up a name. And of course you can be charged with a crime if the figure out who you are.

 

[SurferH2O]

so what's with the "banning voter id" law since it's so cheap to get one?

For the same reason why California had to be sued to force them to clean up the voter rolls.

 

[spamking]

Movement Advancement Project | The ID Divide: How Barriers to ID Impact Different Communities and Affect Everyone

MAP's 2022 spotlight report is a robust cross-population analysis and recommends systemic solutions to remove barriers and improve access to IDs.

www.mapresearch.org

Key items in the report:

• Overall, roughly one in eight adults in this country—nearly 30 million people—lack a valid driver’s license, one of the most common forms of ID.
• An estimated 15-18 million adults in the United States—more than the total population of Pennsylvania—do not have access to documents proving their birth or citizenship, which are often necessary to obtain an ID.
• While roughly 12% of U.S. adults nationwide lack a valid driver’s license, this varies widely across communities: an estimated 21% of Black adults, 23% of Hispanic adults, and 68% of transgender people don’t have a valid, accurate driver’s license.

Thanks. I failed to remember we still have folks who weren't born at a hospital or someone who may have never registered for a social security card. But I'm still curious how they cash a check or take advantage of any other type of benefits requiring identification?

I noticed the report also includes this:

Overlapping barriers to getting and updating ID include:

• Complicated and circular documentation requirements
• Needlessly expensive fees
• Limited availability of ID services
• Confusing patchwork of state policies
• Discrimination

What is complicated about the documentation requirements? I can only speak for Oklahoma's requirements, but all we need is a valid driver's license or our social security card.




An Oklahoma State ID card is $25 and is valid for 4-years. A 4-year driver's license is $42.50. Neither is what I'd call needlessly expensive.

Every blue mark is a location where someone can get an ID, even in our more rural locations and tribal jurisdictions.



Our requirements in Oklahoma seem pretty clear and not confusing. I also don't see them as discriminatory due to the low cost and numerous locations (Monday - Saturday hours included) available to obtain an ID. New drivers are even able to register to vote when they get their license.


Recommendations: The ID Divide offers recommendations to reduce obstacles to ID and improve access for everyone. An overarching recommendation is for policymakers to carefully determine when an ID is truly necessary and when requiring it might limit access to basic needs and essential services. A detailed set of recommendations for policymakers include ways to:

• Simplify documentation requirements and processes
• Reduce the needlessly expensive costs of obtaining and updating IDs
• Increase access to ID services and IDs themselves
• Set nationwide standards for ID accessibility for all
• Reduce discrimination in ID policies and administration

An overarching recommendation is for policymakers to carefully determine when an ID is truly necessary? Like when registering to vote and/or taking advantage of State/Federal assistance?

 

[Deleted member 267581]

what's california waiting for then? why don't they make it free. it's democrats in charge. don't they want people to get a free ID?

Why don’t we have a free federal id for all ?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Why don’t we have a free federal id for all ?

Well Obama was president for 8 years. Clinton the same. Biden is right now.
Why aren't they doing it?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I'm not looking to remove anyone's ability to vote. If we have some random people out there that fit the criteria of not being able to get an ID, I would be more than happy to get them the assistance they need to get that ID. I just think this whole "they're too poor and can't get to a DMV" excuse is BS for 99.99999% of the population.

well there are likely other reasons too, i just gave those as examples.

It literally says drivers license in your link, not government ID. Polling people and reality are two different things. Kind of like the polls showing Hilary was the runaway 2016 winner. Polls aren't facts.

Fifteen percent of adult citizens (over 34.5 million people) either do not have a driver’s license or state ID or have one that may cause difficulties voting in states with strict photo ID laws.

that said, surely i can hold you to this and call you a liar if you ever make any claim with a poll/survey/sample study as its source, then. who cares if it's the basis for like 95% of scientific studies, right? it's not a fact.

People can not have valid drivers licenses for all sorts of reasons. The least of which is going to be because they can't afford one and cant get to a DMV.

again, it's just an example.

The same people would have to be notified of election day as well as where they could get to the polls because homeless meth heads aren't going to have mailboxes. Same deal applies no matter what way you cut it.

election day is always the same day, and polling places rarely change. i would like to see more effort put into keeping polling places as completely static though.

 

[Renard]

Republicans keep pushing for voter ID because they know a lot of people in the Democratic base do not have valid ID's.

The scare tactic they keep using is that there is widespread voter fraud or illegals voting - which is simply not true.

FYI pretty much every left-leaning stronghold you can think of in Europe, Scandinavia and Canada require some form of identification to vote. Voting without ID is unheard of in most of the world. The narrative that it's some sort of conservative, right-wing plot is a piece of lunacy that only exists in the American political bubble. Just another piece of nonsense the narrative makers get you guys to bicker over endlessly.

 

[StewDogg11]

well there are likely other reasons too, i just gave those as examples.

Fifteen percent of adult citizens (over 34.5 million people) either do not have a driver’s license or state ID or have one that may cause difficulties voting in states with strict photo ID laws.

that said, surely i can hold you to this and call you a liar if you ever make any claim with a poll/survey/sample study as its source, then. who cares if it's the basis for like 95% of scientific studies, right? it's not a fact.

again, it's just an example.

election day is always the same day, and polling places rarely change. i would like to see more effort put into keeping polling places as completely static though.

“Fifteen percent of adult citizens (over 34.5 million people) either do not have a driver’s license or state ID or have one that may cause difficulties voting in states with strict photo ID laws.”

This is what’s inflating the numbers. Tons of people don’t have a driver’s license because it’s suspended by the court for various reasons like not paying child support, DWI, etc. Nothing’s stopping these people from getting an ID though.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Well there you go . . . assuming when you register you also get a CA Voter ID, why virtue signal and "ban" voter ID? If you can prove who you are when you register you shouldn't have any issues presenting your Voter ID at the polling station.

They don’t give you a voter id, they add you to the registered voters list. And every single legally registered voter in Cali can vote by mail or drop box if they want to.
I agree it is a trivial thing to require id, but it really is a manufactured issue, and you have to provide for exceptions like lost id’s or whatever, anyway.
Double votes are flagged, mismatched signatures are flagged, polling stations have cameras, nobody is lining up to risk prison time for the chance that one or two extra votes might affect the outcome.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

“Fifteen percent of adult citizens (over 34.5 million people) either do not have a driver’s license or state ID or have one that may cause difficulties voting in states with strict photo ID laws.”

This is what’s inflating the numbers. Tons of people don’t have a driver’s license because it’s suspended by the court for various reasons like not paying child support, DWI, etc. Nothing’s stopping these people from getting an ID though.

regardless of you deliberately misreading the words you then reposted, you are trying to make it harder for those people to vote by adding things they need to do and/or spend money on first.

 

[Protectandserve]

Ah good ole California, you don’t need an ID to vote.

Oh you’re a cop in full uniform, in a police car and have a CDL and police ID… sorry can’t by ammo unless you have a copy of your birth certificate since you don’t have a Real ID, even though we run a background check…

 

[Scerpi]

0.2% of americans are homeless as we speak and 7.4% have been homeless at some point in their lives.

Counting the Number of Individuals Experiencing Homelessness - Permanent Supportive Housing - NCBI Bookshelf

for the record, that 0.2% means 800,000 people. if they can't even pay rent, how are they supposed to buy an ID or commute to the RMV?

Why spend $20 on an ID when you can use that to buy drugs or alcohol?...

 

[Fergelmince]

If you can't get a valid ID you should not be allowed to vote.

Exactly. Voting should not be as easy as possible, unless you want to cheat.