Elections California bans voter ID

RoastBeast said:
Yes or we could just set up a gofundme for the 3 dozen people in America who are too dumb, too poor and too lazy to go in and get an ID themselves. Yet for some reason these people definitely have voting as one of their top priorities.

I mean you take the amount of shit that you do in your life and the amount of money that is wasted on god knows what and you're telling me that there's a ton of people out there who are doing everything the right way and are just a few dollars short of being able to get to a DMV to get an ID? That's really the super liberal hill you're going to die on?
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So if it's such an insignificant number, why do you care if they get free government issued id's? There's literally no reason not to support that.
 
Sinister said:
Yeah I dont care about that. I care that there's just not more layers of bureaucracy between citizens and their ability to vote.
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Coolio, but it’s time to burn some Cali greens and watch football (hand egg for some).

Cheers!
 
Hog-train said:
So would you be willing for the free government issued ID to every citizen?
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If its a step towards resolving the fraudulent voting issues in America, then yes. id required, voter registry and paper ballets. it would be in the governments best interest to see that this happens. America wastes enough money doing stupid shit all the time, so a tax-payer funded official ID cards should be on the books. It wouldn't be that expensive to implement as the government should already have a list of eligible voters and im sure that musk could come up with a game plan to have it sorted within a business week. however i can see this would also lead into more issues as it would require people to still have to make an effort to get one, which is where i feel the real problem lies with those people who claim not to have id's.

I've heard this argument for years but have never really seen any reliable numbers to put it all into prospective. exactly how many people we talking about here? how many people dont have id yet actually also take the time to vote? i would say a very very very small amount verses how many suspected/proven fraudulent votes? so yeah, some honest numbers would be good to remember why we are having this conversation in the first place.
 
arathans said:
If its a step towards resolving the fraudulent voting issues in America, then yes. id required, voter registry and paper ballets. it would be in the governments best interest to see that this happens. America wastes enough money doing stupid shit all the time, so a tax-payer funded official ID cards should be on the books. It wouldn't be that expensive to implement as the government should already have a list of eligible voters and im sure that musk could come up with a game plan to have it sorted within a business week. however i can see this would also lead into more issues as it would require people to still have to make an effort to get one, which is where i feel the real problem lies with those people who claim not to have id's.

I've heard this argument for years but have never really seen any reliable numbers to put it all into prospective. exactly how many people we talking about here? how many people dont have id yet actually also take the time to vote? i would say a very very very small amount verses how many suspected/proven fraudulent votes? so yeah, some honest numbers would be good to remember why we are having this conversation in the first place.
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it's literally tens of millions of people who don't have ID's

 
arathans said:
I've heard this argument for years but have never really seen any reliable numbers to put it all into prospective. exactly how many people we talking about here? how many people dont have id yet actually also take the time to vote? i would say a very very very small amount verses how many suspected/proven fraudulent votes? so yeah, some honest numbers would be good to remember why we are having this conversation in the first place.
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If it's such a very very small amount, then WTF is the problem with national id's?

It can even be like Medicaid - free for poor people, but a small charge for normal people.

The problem Republicans would have with it is that these voter ID laws are to suppress the vote. Them's the facts.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
it would cost 1/5 of half the country's current savings lol
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So maybe you should vote different in future. I'm guessing you will continue to vote democrats though even though you made that statement 😉 Dang I hope Kamala helps this nation the next 4 years
 
Most developed countries require you to produce valid, government issued identification. This really shouldn't be controversial.

Lol @ all the bullshit excuses in this thread : "Hear me out! What if there is a woman who finishes her shift as a waitress, oh and she's POOR!........and she she can't afford bus fare to go home, so she has to hitch hike home,but before she goes home, she has to pick up her children from day care, so now she's with her kids, in a truck, with a stranger, going home! and when she gets home,she has to feed her kids food, but because she's poor, it's dog food! Then she has to rush off to her stripper job after the kids are fed and tucked in! We can't expect her to get ID! Did I mention she's poor?"

Like what the fuck are we doing here? Honestly.
 
www.mapresearch.org

Movement Advancement Project | The ID Divide: How Barriers to ID Impact Different Communities and Affect Everyone

MAP's 2022 spotlight report is a robust cross-population analysis and recommends systemic solutions to remove barriers and improve access to IDs.
www.mapresearch.org www.mapresearch.org
Key items in the report:
  • Overall, roughly one in eight adults in this country—nearly 30 million people—lack a valid driver’s license, one of the most common forms of ID.
  • An estimated 15-18 million adults in the United States—more than the total population of Pennsylvania—do not have access to documents proving their birth or citizenship, which are often necessary to obtain an ID.
  • While roughly 12% of U.S. adults nationwide lack a valid driver’s license, this varies widely across communities: an estimated 21% of Black adults, 23% of Hispanic adults, and 68% of transgender people don’t have a valid, accurate driver’s license.

Case studies: The report also includes case studies of how barriers to ID cause harm. For example:
  • During the lead water crisis in Flint, Michigan, residents without photo ID were initially unable to pick up water and filtration supplies supplied by the state.
  • When states required an ID or proof of residency to receive COVID-19 tests or the vaccine, it endangered the health of both individuals without ID as well as the broader community around them.
Overlapping barriers to getting and updating ID include:
  • Complicated and circular documentation requirements
  • Needlessly expensive fees
  • Limited availability of ID services
  • Confusing patchwork of state policies
  • Discrimination

Recommendations: The ID Divide offers recommendations to reduce obstacles to ID and improve access for everyone. An overarching recommendation is for policymakers to carefully determine when an ID is truly necessary and when requiring it might limit access to basic needs and essential services. A detailed set of recommendations for policymakers include ways to:
  • Simplify documentation requirements and processes
  • Reduce the needlessly expensive costs of obtaining and updating IDs
  • Increase access to ID services and IDs themselves
  • Set nationwide standards for ID accessibility for all
  • Reduce discrimination in ID policies and administration
 
emefer said:
I don’t understand how voter ID makes a difference. I am registered to vote at a certain location. They have a book there with all the names of the voters in the district along with a copy of their signature when they registered. I sign my name next the copy of the signature on file and then am handed a ballot.

For someone to vote illegally using my name, they would have to know my district and show up there and then try and forge my signature in front of an official. Say they get by that and are able to cast a ballot. When I go in to cast my vote I will be told I already voted and then the fraud will be discovered.
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How do they know it's you though? How can they be certain you're the actual person who should have voted instead of the imposter?
 
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emefer said:
www.mapresearch.org

Movement Advancement Project | The ID Divide: How Barriers to ID Impact Different Communities and Affect Everyone

MAP's 2022 spotlight report is a robust cross-population analysis and recommends systemic solutions to remove barriers and improve access to IDs.
www.mapresearch.org www.mapresearch.org
Key items in the report:
  • Overall, roughly one in eight adults in this country—nearly 30 million people—lack a valid driver’s license, one of the most common forms of ID.
  • An estimated 15-18 million adults in the United States—more than the total population of Pennsylvania—do not have access to documents proving their birth or citizenship, which are often necessary to obtain an ID.
  • While roughly 12% of U.S. adults nationwide lack a valid driver’s license, this varies widely across communities: an estimated 21% of Black adults, 23% of Hispanic adults, and 68% of transgender people don’t have a valid, accurate driver’s license.

Case studies: The report also includes case studies of how barriers to ID cause harm. For example:
  • During the lead water crisis in Flint, Michigan, residents without photo ID were initially unable to pick up water and filtration supplies supplied by the state.
  • When states required an ID or proof of residency to receive COVID-19 tests or the vaccine, it endangered the health of both individuals without ID as well as the broader community around them.
Overlapping barriers to getting and updating ID include:
  • Complicated and circular documentation requirements
  • Needlessly expensive fees
  • Limited availability of ID services
  • Confusing patchwork of state policies
  • Discrimination

Recommendations: The ID Divide offers recommendations to reduce obstacles to ID and improve access for everyone. An overarching recommendation is for policymakers to carefully determine when an ID is truly necessary and when requiring it might limit access to basic needs and essential services. A detailed set of recommendations for policymakers include ways to:
  • Simplify documentation requirements and processes
  • Reduce the needlessly expensive costs of obtaining and updating IDs
  • Increase access to ID services and IDs themselves
  • Set nationwide standards for ID accessibility for all
  • Reduce discrimination in ID policies and administration
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Sounds like excuses. I don’t care about race. I actually got my license late at 18. You either do it or you are lazy.
 
EL CORINTHIAN said:
How do they know it's you though? How can they be certain your the actual person who should have voted instead of the imposter?
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When they struggle to forge my signature. What’s stopping someone from making a fake id?
It’s a zero sum game and they would need millions of people across the country doing this to have an impact, all while risking 5 years in prison to get one vote. It’s ludicrous to think it is an issue.
 
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Jeffy37 said:
Sounds like excuses. I don’t care about race. I actually got my license late at 18. You either do it or you are lazy.
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It’s not excuses. It’s facts and findings of a study by people that looked into it. Also, it has nothing to do with voting.
But you can remain stupid and think you know everything for all I care.
And I knew you were a phony
 
emefer said:
When they struggle to forge my signature. What’s stopping someone from making a fake id?
It’s a zero sum game and they would need millions of people across the country doing this to have an impact while risking 5 years in prison to get one vote. It’s ludicrous to think it is an issue.
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I'm sorry, I don't think you answered my question with all that. This isn't even a "gotcha" moment I'm more bewildered than anything.

Walk me through this if you can: The imposter just signed your "signature" and was allowed to cast the ballot. You now walk in to do the same and notice someone's already signed for you. The fraud has been spotted. Do you now say "hey, so I'm actually the real guy, I suppose you'll take my word for it and allow me to cast my ballot."

Like, what's the procedure at that point?
 
emefer said:
It’s not excuses. It’s facts and findings of a study by people that looked into it. Also, it has nothing to do with voting.
But you can remain stupid and think you know everything for all I care.
And I knew you were a phony
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Facts for people being lazy. Okay 👍
 
EL CORINTHIAN said:
I'm sorry, I don't think you answered my question with all that. This isn't even a "gotcha" moment I'm more bewildered than anything.

Walk me through this if you can: The imposter just signed your "signature" and was allowed to cast the ballot. You now walk in to do the same and notice someone's already signed for you. The fraud has been spotted. Do you now say "hey, so I'm actually the real guy, I suppose you'll take my word for it and allow me to cast my ballot."

Like, what's the procedure at that point?
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At that point, the judge of elections, that is on-site, would be notified and the issue would be rectified. How exactly, I do not know.
Also, at least in my state, it is required to show a valid id for first time voters.
 
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