Elections California bans voter ID

[RoastBeast]

Dems back on the poor and black people can't get an ID bandwagon? Pathetic lol

 

[Hog-train]

mInOrItiEs aRe 2 dUmB To gEt aN iD

Maybe they're just poor and don't have an easy way to get to the DMV. It's not only minorities either - it's elderly people too.

The only reason Republicans are constantly advocating for this is because they want less Democrats voting.

The voter fraud reason is almost non-existent bullshit.

 

[Sinister]

I’ve lived in California for 50 years and every single person I have ever met old young poor wealthy American or otherwise and even illegals have had ID of some kind.
One can get a California ID card for free.

The ID's illegals get are like the ones here in Nevada. They say right on them "not a valid form of ID" or some other phrasing which restricts their use and makes it obvious the status of people who hold them. Requiring an entirely new ID to vote is silly when those distinctions already exist. Waste of resources that just adds more bureaucracy to the voting process.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

"Renew"

Or “apply” for one as well, Timmy.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

The ID's illegals get are like the ones here in Nevada. They say right on them "not a valid form of ID" or some other phrasing which restricts their use and makes it obvious the status of people who hold them. Requiring an entirely new ID to vote is silly when those distinctions already exist. Waste of resources that just adds more bureaucracy to the voting process.

Let’s call this what it is. It’s not about voting or ID. It’s about Newsom trying to feather his nest with placating, gratuitous legislation to help fuel his 2028 run for POTUS.

 

[arathans]

if you cant manage to produce a valid id, then you simply shouldn't be allowed to vote.

1 valid id, marked against a role of valid voters, receives 1 valid paper vote

stop treating people like children. they are responsible to meet a minimum standard in society. this is part of that. if they cant manage that, fuck em. they cant vote.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Goodness gracious, your anger towards me recently has been off the charts. I've renewed in person and online. Not every state is the same, ffs. Calm your menstrual tits. Your lipstick's showing.

It’s like the old schoolyard technique, loaf.
Boys call you names because they really just want to get in your knickers.

I know I do.

 

[fingercuffs]

Yeah but you’re not going to be allowed to constantly renew online and keep the same picture for 50 years. I apologize for calling you stupid but you’re asking people to fact check me on common sense.

I was asking for me to be fact checked.

 

[Hog-train]

if you cant manage to produce a valid id, then you simply shouldn't be allowed to vote.

1 valid id, marked against a role of valid voters, receives 1 valid paper vote

stop treating people like children. they are responsible to meet a minimum requirement in society. this is part of that. if they cant manage that, fuck em. they cant vote.

So would you be willing for the free government issued ID to every citizen?

 

[Aurelian]

And what about people who work longer hours than the DMV but can't get any time off work because of what ever fucked up reason their boss has?

In my state you can get a renewal online and have your new ID or License mailed to you. Not sure if that's available in California. Though I will say I did this once and it never came in the mail. They got my $24, the bastards.

 

[emefer]

I don’t understand how voter ID makes a difference. I am registered to vote at a certain location. They have a book there with all the names of the voters in the district along with a copy of their signature when they registered. I sign my name next the copy of the signature on file and then am handed a ballot.

For someone to vote illegally using my name, they would have to know my district and show up there and then try and forge my signature in front of an official. Say they get by that and are able to cast a ballot. When I go in to cast my vote I will be told I already voted and then the fraud will be discovered.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

I was asking for me to be fact checked.

I’m no gynecologist, but I’ll take a look.

 

[RoastBeast]

Maybe they're just poor and don't have an easy way to get to the DMV. It's not only minorities either - it's elderly people too.

The only reason Republicans are constantly advocating for this is because they want less Democrats voting.

The voter fraud reason is almost non-existent bullshit.

You do realize that the poorer people are, the more likely they are to drink or smoke, both of which require an ID to get, right?

You are way too smart to get wrapped up in this BS propaganda that poor people can't get an ID. You're telling me we have a bunch of voters out there that don't drive, don't drink, don't smoke, don't work, don't have a bank account and don't ever do anything in this world that is required with an ID? Get out of here.

 

[NickNick]

I don’t understand how voter ID makes a difference. I am registered to vote at a certain location. They have a book there with all the names of the voters in the district along with a copy of their signature when they registered. I sign my name next the copy of the signature on file and then am handed a ballot.

For someone to vote illegally using my name, they would have to know my district and show up there and then try and forge my signature in front of an official. Say they get by that and are able to cast a ballot. When I go in to cast my vote I will be told I already voted and then the fraud will be discovered.

Simple, it doesn't. It's more about suppressing voter turnout because one side historically benefits from lower turnouts during elections. They say it's to solve a problem but that problem categorically doesn't exist.

 

[Hog-train]

You do realize that the poorer people are, the more likely they are to drink or smoke, both of which require an ID to get, right?

Not if you are visibly old.

You are way too smart to get wrapped up in this BS propaganda that poor people can't get an ID. You're telling me we have a bunch of voters out there that don't drive, don't drink, don't smoke, don't work, don't have a bank account and don't ever do anything in this world that is required with an ID? Get out of here.

13% of people in the US are unbanked. A lot do not drive - especially in big cities.

You don't need ID if you're old to buy alcohol or cigs.

Would you be willing for the free government issued ID to every citizen?

 

[deviake]

From my understanding not requiring ID doesn't lead to voter fraud so I don't see what the issue is. Someone feel free to explain

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Seems redundant in California.

 

[Sinister]

Let’s call this what it is. It’s not about voting or ID. It’s about Newsom trying to feather his nest with placating, gratuitous legislation to help fuel his 2028 run for POTUS.

Yeah I dont care about that. I care that there's just not more layers of bureaucracy between citizens and their ability to vote.

 

[RoastBeast]

Not if you are visibly old.



13% of people in the US are unbanked. A lot do not drive - especially in big cities.

You don't need ID if you're old to buy alcohol or cigs.

Would you be willing for the free government issued ID to every citizen?

Yes or we could just set up a gofundme for the 3 dozen people in America who are too dumb, too poor and too lazy to go in and get an ID themselves. Yet for some reason these people definitely have voting as one of their top priorities.

I mean you take the amount of shit that you do in your life and the amount of money that is wasted on god knows what and you're telling me that there's a ton of people out there who are doing everything the right way and are just a few dollars short of being able to get to a DMV to get an ID? That's really the super liberal hill you're going to die on?

 

[deviake]

What's So Bad About Voter ID Laws? | League of Women Voters

Voter ID laws have long been debated in the United States. While supporters argue that voter photo ID laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud and ensure the integrity of elections, reality tells a different story. Not only do these measures disproportionately impact Black, Native, elderly, and...

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A new study finds voter ID laws don’t reduce voter fraud — or voter turnout

The laws don’t seem to do what critics fear or proponents hope.

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So the problem that voter ID laws set out to fix isn’t really a problem that needs solving.
But maybe the goal of these kind of laws isn’t to combat voter fraud, but to suppress certain voters. As the New York Times reported, some Republicans have openly acknowledged that hurting Democratic voters is their goal.
One example, reported by William Wan for the Washington Post, regarding North Carolina’s court-rebuked voter ID law:

Longtime Republican consultant Carter Wrenn, a fixture in North Carolina politics, said the GOP’s voter fraud argument is nothing more than an excuse.
“Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist.
“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”

So despite claims that this is really about the integrity of elections, enough Republican supporters have slipped in moments of candor to validate Democrats’ suspicions — that this is about stifling the fundamental right to vote for minority constituents Republicans don’t typically win. No matter the real or perceived effect of voter ID laws, that intent is racist.
Fortunately, the research suggests that voter ID laws aren’t effective at suppressing voters, either.
Given the latest research, some conservatives are starting to push against more voter ID laws. Writing in the New York Times, conservative columnist Ross Douthat argued that Republicans should “step back and stand down” from voter ID laws.
He added, “The voter ID debate essentially involves Republicans whipping themselves into a panic over a problem that doesn’t meaningfully affect their chances of winning elections, and then passing laws that whip Democrats into a panic over a problem that also doesn’t meaningfully affect their chances of winning elections. So if the debate simply disappeared tomorrow, a source of distrust would vanish without either side losing ground.”