Cain Velasquez Trial for Attempted Murder Expected to Begin in January

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They can't beat those three--impossible.
Especially if Miramax ends up making it. They apparently hold a sizable portion of the rights to the franchise, but they aren't the majority owner, so someone else gets to decide who makes it and Miramax legit has to bid to make their own property. Pretty wild. It's a good situation, though, bc fuck Halloween going back to Miramax, yikes.
 
Who's defending a :eek::eek::eek::eek:? You're aware this guy hasn't been convicted right?

This. Even if he was convicted nobody in their right mind should condone Cain racing around at 100 MPH and shooting into vehicles. If convicted I would 100% let Cain be in a room with this scum for however long he wanted. Some people here get so blinded by the rage and the word ":eek::eek::eek::eek:" they can't even think rationally. Either than or they just can't thinking rationally in general. Not sure which.
 
Are you ok in the brain ?? De facto accessory?? Lol. Wrong on so many levels. First of all the :eek::eek::eek::eek: is alleged. Not proven.

What you are saying is If some woman claims you raped her, then her dad can come shoot your dad bc your dad is basically a de facto accessory.?? Sound logic my man.

Also the father in law was taking the :eek::eek::eek::eek: to get a tracking bracelet. He wasn’t taking. The :eek::eek::eek::eek: to find more kids.
Even still, he’s guilty by association to some degree. If you found out your brother was a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile or dad you probably wouldn’t want anything to do with them. Like, you’re dead to me kinda way. I don’t know how families can function with a predator in their ranks. I would assume they cut off communications entirely. Also Cain had solid evidence.
It’s like when the news reports on a crime and says alleged suspects yet we have video footage of them committing the act. There is no alleged. The tape doesn’t lie. It’s what happened.
It’s like that cop who was on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes, it’s like dude, he went unconscious and was still kneeling on his neck. If he got off him the minute he went limp, and attempted to resuscitate him, it wouldn’t have looked as bad as it did but they gave him the harshest sentence they could give, because the video doesn’t lie.
 
It’s not though. Because as a society we built our legal system based on what the common values were. And as reprehensible as what Cain did was, society, as a whole, also believes rightly that children should be protected above all else.

And why this is not an “irrelevant” thought or post is because the jury is made up of members from said society. Due to the fact that not every situation has an enshrined law attached to it, laws are then interpreted on an individual basis by flawed humans.

That’s the point of bringing up the parent issue. If the jury was filled with closet :eek::eek::eek::eek:dpohiles fine. But that’s unlikely to be the case.

Oh, you are absolutely right about the fact that society both legally and ideologically takes the protection of children as a priority. However, I also think that it is unfair to people who decided or didn't get to be parents to be lesser in the eyes of the law or morality. The person Cain got shot is someone's child. He is not a kid, but him getting shot by someone on a revenge spree should not hinge on the shooter being a parent or not. If the person who got shot was a kid, which he well could have been, since Cain did not discriminate in shooting onto a car, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Again, I understand that parents empathize with the protection of children. But this ought not to be a metric to judge a person either morally or legally. It simply explains their motivations.
 
This. Even if he was convicted nobody in their right mind should condone Cain racing around at 100 MPH and shooting into vehicles. If convicted I would 100% let Cain be in a room with this scum for however long he wanted. Some people here get so blinded by the rage and the word ":eek::eek::eek::eek:" they can't even think rationally. Either than or they just can't thinking rationally in general. Not sure which.
It's crazy how no matter how many times we do this Salem witch hunt shit, people never learn. Tribalism is a helluva drug.
 
Even still, he’s guilty by association to some degree. If you found out your brother was a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile or dad you probably wouldn’t want anything to do with them. Like, you’re dead to me kinda way. I don’t know how families can function with a predator in their ranks. I would assume they cut off communications entirely. Also Cain had solid evidence.
It’s like when the news reports on a crime and says alleged suspects yet we have video footage of them committing the act. There is no alleged. The tape doesn’t lie. It’s what happened.
It’s like that cop who was on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes, it’s like dude, he went unconscious and was still kneeling on his neck. If he got off him the minute he went limp, and attempted to resuscitate him, it wouldn’t have looked as bad as it did but they gave him the harshest sentence they could give, because the video doesn’t lie.

OK. I can agree with the whole "alledged" thing as well. I 100% think this :eek::eek::eek::eek: is guilty as hell. He just hasn't had his day in court yet but there is plenty of evidence against him.

I don't agree with guilt by association necessarily though. WE have no idea what this father in law even knew or when he knew it. If it was my brother or dad I wouldn't give them the time of day. If it was my kid though......well it would be hard to completely turn your back on him if he needed to get picked up from jail and brought to get a tracker put on . I mean....he's still your kid even if he's a sick :eek::eek::eek::eek:. I would disown the kid but I would still pick him up from jail and get his ankle bracelet put on...he's still my flesh and blood.

But I aprpeciate the actual good debate on all of this. It's all just a shitty shitty situation for hte poor little kid, for Cain, for the people put in danger during the chase.
 
You are putting words in my mouth man. I know child molestors bring up huge emotions and I'm with you. But are you trying to tell me Cain is allowed to chase a guy for 11 miles speeding through traffic and then shoot into a vehicle in the middle of the day?? Not too mention the guy isn't convicted yet. Just because you are completely enraged doesn't give you the right to endanger innocent people, including innocent child who were very likely in those cars he speed around. What if Cain had hit or shot a kid? Then what would you say? You are choosing the wrong vigalante justice hill to stand on my friend.
I respect your opinion man. Of course I think Cain handled this in the wrong way. It's just with that particular crime I can see why he did what he did. I hope he gets a slap on wrist. It's just in my opinion sexually abusing an innocent child is the most vile and disgusting thing someone can do. I'd probably do the same thing Cain did except plan it out a little better.
 
Serious question (disclaimer before someone hurrs and durrs): I thought the molestation case was based solely on the kid saying things happened? Have not been following this and really don't know how to even find out if I did, but seems like plenty of folks seem to say Cain had solid evidence and/or "he is guilty and the trial is just a formality" - have I missed soemthing concrete coming out about the molestation itself?
 
Serious question (disclaimer before someone hurrs and durrs): I thought the molestation case was based solely on the kid saying things happened? Have not been following this and really don't know how to even find out if I did, but seems like plenty of folks seem to say Cain had solid evidence and/or "he is guilty and the trial is just a formality" - have I missed soemthing concrete coming out about the molestation itself?
No you haven't missed a thing. The solid evidence in this case are the words of a 4 year old kid. A kid who by his own admission has been instructed by his parents on what to say in court.
 
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No you haven't missed a thing. The solid evidence in this case are the words of a 4 year old kid. A kid who by his own admission has been instructed by his parents on what to say in court.
using logic makes you a :eek::eek::eek::eek:, though.

also, as soon as the man was accused, he should've been castrated and then dismembered, otherwise the state is just protecting :eek::eek::eek::eek:s and strong men like cain need to make things right.

and of course anyone in the vicinity of the :eek::eek::eek::eek: is also either a :eek::eek::eek::eek: or a :eek::eek::eek::eek: enabler, and we get to just shoot them with no consequence because we're upset at all the :eek::eek::eek::eek: shit that they've been accused of.

i swear this board is filled with absolute lunatics.
 
I think Cain had substantial evidence the guy who molested or raped his child was guilty, the guy caught isn’t even fighting the fact he’s guilty. Cain simply needed to isolate the guy and beat him to death. Not go nuts and do what he did. But if someone showed me cell phone footage or security footage of my 5 year old son being molested. I don’t know how I’d react. Maybe the same way! Shit. It was obviously something monumental that made Cain do what he did. Cain isn’t a coward Swede where foreigners rape their daughters for sport over in Sweden
It's pretty clear you don't know anything about this case. The only "substantial evidence" they have is the word of a 5 year old who on the stand said his parents told him everything to say. The guy is 100% fighting it. The only cell phone footage we have is Cain during the high speed chase on a busy road.
 
Even still, he’s guilty by association to some degree. If you found out your brother was a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile or dad you probably wouldn’t want anything to do with them. Like, you’re dead to me kinda way. I don’t know how families can function with a predator in their ranks. I would assume they cut off communications entirely. Also Cain had solid evidence.
It’s like when the news reports on a crime and says alleged suspects yet we have video footage of them committing the act. There is no alleged. The tape doesn’t lie. It’s what happened.
It’s like that cop who was on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes, it’s like dude, he went unconscious and was still kneeling on his neck. If he got off him the minute he went limp, and attempted to resuscitate him, it wouldn’t have looked as bad as it did but they gave him the harshest sentence they could give, because the video doesn’t lie.
Hey man... There is no video of The alleged crime. You need to stop spreading lies like this. There is no solid evidence. There is no video tape. There is a man saying a child came out of the bathroom and needed help buttoning his pants. And a child saying the man touched him after her went to the bathroom. That's all the "Solid evidence" there is.
 
OK. I can agree with the whole "alledged" thing as well. I 100% think this :eek::eek::eek::eek: is guilty as hell. He just hasn't had his day in court yet but there is plenty of evidence against him.
But there is not plenty of evidence. And that's the whole problem. There's no physical evidence that it happened. It's a he said he said situation where a grown man says "The kid came out of the bathroom and needed help buttoning his pants." and a child saying "After I went to the bathroom he touched me."

That's it.
 
What a travesty.

I think I can understand Cain's state of mind here...family member molested supposedly over 100 times at a day care by a child molester living at said day care. Child molester is out free in public.

I mean I would probably want to do the same thing. But you just can't do what he did. He endangered others. It would appear he is guilty of a crime or crimes.

The problem I have is that it appears California seems to allow illegals or criminals get away with damn near anything. Illegals are safe there...you can now if you are so lucky, go to jail or get fined for trying to stop a criminal stealing or bashing an employee of that store.

If I were judge, I would make Cain pay for the step father's medical bills and lost pay if he couldn't work, put him on probation for a bit and call it a day. But California will probably look to punish him.
Nah the step father enabled that behavior. Both deserve the death sentence imo
 
Sad. The guys step father is probably not guilty and he got shot. I don't see Cain getting an innocent verdict. I hope the punishment is not too harsh. Really unfortunate situation. He is a father.
Fuck that he enabled that dude to molest his kid over 100 times, or at least a ton while at daycare. Step father and owner deserve the same punishment as the molester. I bet Cain planned to shoot them both dead
 
:eek::eek::eek::eek:philia isn’t a sexual orientation; it’s a sick form of sexual activity no different than heterosexual rape. If I knew of someone obsessed with thoughts of rape or child molestation, I’d only advocate therapy in the form of real world warnings & actions, such as the therapists reporting such confessions and concerns to the authorities.

I’m all for Helen Prejean working with rapist & murderers; I just hope such people are aware that if carried out, there’s a large population like myself who don’t shed one tear when they receive comeuppance.

Basically they should be weary of seeking treatment the way an alcoholic would; because the manifestation of their actions ARE HEINOUS FOR SOCIETY’S SAKE. The fact that they’re (hypothetically) weary makes me deem that they know better; so why the damn obsession? But go ahead and search for that Helen Prejean, do it before one meets her the way that Elmo Sonnier did.
My word, I dont know how you guys can be wrong and do so, so confidently. Like, don't get me wrong it's not the topic that bothers me it's the utter pride in your ignorance that has me lost for words.

Let's get something out of the way first.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:philia isnt a form of sexual activity. :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia is an attraction to pre pubescent minors and the fact that you can not or refuse to distinguish between :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia and child molestion(a variation of sexual assault) only supports what I was saying.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:philia is a sickness and a sickness that can be but isnt cured because those with that sickness are not encouraged to come forward and seek help. And the end result is kids suffer because of it.

These people need to be cured and rather you like it or not, objecting to that puts more kids at risk. It's something you're not willing to acknowledge because the thought of caring for their mental well being makes you angry. What matters more the safety of children or your feelings of rage?
 
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Mostly correct. The kind of childhood trauma that leads to this behavior/disorder is almost always similar sexual abuse. Therefore, without treatment, you only multiply the number of :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes in the community- those who were abused grow up to abuse. You aren't going to make your way out by trying to lock everyone up.

I've treated both abusers and victims. Children's cases are especially hopeful if you can catch them when they are young and give them a lot of treatment and broad support. With adults you work with them to desensitize their deviant urges. Yes, you are right they have to want to get better to improve, and there are antisocial :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes that don't have remorse for their victims, but it most certainly isn't all of them; those are the kind that need to go to prison for life, and often do in CA. Everyone else needs community treatment.
It's like you actually read what the fuck I posted and gave a viable resposne, THANK YOU.

The sad part is that, when it comes to the bold, I think most people realize this. They're just too disgusted by the idea of a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile receiving help or too disgusted with the idea that they can openly recieve professional care to be able to willfully acknowledge the obvious; waiting for a child to be hurt perpetuates a never ending cycle and breeds future offenders.

Thank you for what you do. I keep trying to tell folks this is the safest and most sure way of ending the :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia problem, doing the kind of work you do. People for some reason get threatened and I can understand why but I also can't ignore the fact that our methods for the last century haven't solved anything.
 
keep that same energy when a kid says you touched them inappropriately and you didn't.

i'm sure you'll be all in favor of that kid's dad killing you and your entire family.
Ok I will
 
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