Cain Velasquez enters plea of no contest for attempted murder, gun charges

[amok attitude]

He's probably lucky if he gets less than five years but I'm hoping less than ten.

I think some folks downplay how dangerous he acted here. Gun shots and car crashes are two leading causes of death for healthy adults and Cain recklessly wielded both a car and a gun.

That's probably a bit too optimistic.

First time offender, overall good guy, fuckep up once big time...big or small talk aside, at the end of the day, i understand the need to make him pay money to the dude who was shot but i dont think society will be better if they put cain in jail for 10 years.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Yeah it's kind of crazy how easily people just choose to breeze over how insanely reckless his actions actually were. You just can't endanger innocent members of society for your vengeance and expect to walk. No matter how justified that grievance is with the accused. And I bet peoples opinions would be much different if this high speed chase, and shoot out took place in front of their own home. He's lucky nobody got hit in a vital area and actually died, or he'd never see freedom. He at least has a chance to see freedom again since he didn't with this plea. Every one can empathize with why he did it. But his actual actions were just way to severe to be expected to walk.

Crazy how so many don't get this. I wouldn't have a problem if Cain had just tracked this guy down, cornered him, and taken him out 1-v-1. Even though that violates the accused's 6th Amendment rights, I digress. But to go on a very public and exposed high-speed chase while firing indiscriminately (ESPECIALLY through a school zone of all places) has to be punished regardless. IMO.

 

[Fedorgasm]

That's probably a bit too optimistic.

I agree that his actions were reckless but he was blinded by rage. His son got molested.

Doesn't make Cain's reaction okay, but it does make me confident that he's not a danger to society and that a year would be punishment enough.

I'm no legal expert so I don't know what he'll actually get. But if I ruled the world I'd give him a year.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

I’m biased. But good to see him not get any time. Although he probably handled this the worst possible way imaginable.

 

[Ozze]

A complete dumb move by Cain, yet a complete understandable one by anyone who has a child.

He had the right intention but his execution was really poor.

 

[Poirierfan]

Fuck California, there's good people everywhere but that place is ruined.

 

[Billthebutcher]

Just remember folks, anytime you take a plea, the court(judge) does NOT have to follow the agreement, and MAY sentence you up to the fullest.

 

[djacobox372]

I'm surprised, I assumed a good lawyer could get him off with a CTE defense.

 

[Fight Professor]

What's really strange is the court date for Harry Goularte, the alleged child molester, is tentative for May 2025. He does not have any criminal history and it does not look like the investigation found any other victims out of 20+ children.

Cain's attorneys should be delaying the court date to find the truth about Goularte. But it feels like they expect no additional information to be found.

 

[StonedLemur]

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Usually when you enter a no contest plea you still go to prison for some time.
Anyone have anymore information on this sir.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Free Cain this free Cain that the dude shot at someone who was the wrong person

 

[Doughie99]

I haven't yet commented on this whole Velasquez situation.

Apart from the occasional GSP or Anderson Silva fight, the FIRST UFC fighter I started watching for every fight was .....Cain Velasquez. I was super excited about his fights with Junior Dos Santos and Brock Lesnar and I'm pretty sure that I started watching MMA regularly literally from Oct 2010 onwards when he fought Lesnar. More or less seen every UFC event since then.

He's clearly gonna do some more time I'd say, but I hope it isn't that long. He totally lost his cool obviously that day, I do absolutely get the circumstances of him being super angry with what happened to his son, but you just gotta put the gun down in that situation. If you must....go chase the alleged guy and beat him up and take the rap for that ......but don't go cracking off live rounds in a public space where you could hit and kill anyone. Not smart to say the least.

Whole thing is just incredibly sad. The only real upside I can take from this is that nobody got killed, not the guy who got shot, not Cain and no bystanders. So....everyone has a 2nd chance I guess.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I agree that his actions were reckless but he was blinded by rage. His son got molested.

Doesn't make Cain's reaction okay, but it does make me confident that he's not a danger to society and that a year would be punishment enough.

I'm no legal expert so I don't know what he'll actually get. But if I ruled the world I'd give him a year.

I definitely disagree here. When we punish criminals its not merely to get retribution or based on their likelihood of reoffending but also to deter future criminal acts. Sentencing Cain to only a year in prison is sending the wrong message with how recklessly he acted. In the future why wouldn't a parent in a similar situation take a shot at the accused if there's a chance they can get a relatively light punishment?

First time offender, overall good guy, fuckep up once big time...big or small talk aside, at the end of the day, i understand the need to make him pay money to the dude who was shot but i dont think society will be better if they put cain in jail for 10 years.

If anything we're already too lenient with reckless drivers and Cain not only drove recklessly he also discharged a firearm in public. Normally if all I knew about the defendant was that they tried to drive someone off the road and fired a gun at them from his car while on the highway I'd expect at least 15 years if not more so Cain getting 5-10 would be leniency IMO.

The obvious comparison to this case is that of Gary Plauche who infamously shot his son's karate instructor who kidnapped and molested the boy but there are relevant details that make his case far more sympathetic. For one the guilt of the accused molester was far more clear and secondly he shot him at point blank range. Anything can happen when a gun is discharged but Plauche to me acted far less recklessly than Cain in a situation where there was far less doubt about the accused's guilt.

What's really strange is the court date for Harry Goularte, the alleged child molester, is tentative for May 2025. He does not have any criminal history and it does not look like the investigation found any other victims out of 20+ children.

Cain's attorneys should be delaying the court date to find the truth about Goularte. But it feels like they expect no additional information to be found.

This makes Cain seem even worse. It looks like the case against the alleged child molester is not so strong and in fact these kinds of accusations against daycares are common and in many cases amount to nothing.

 

[Fight Professor]

Usually when you enter a no contest plea you still go to prison for some time.
Anyone have anymore information on this sir.

It is a negotiation between the defendant and the prosecution to find a lesser sentence that the prosecution would agree to. It can involve dropping more severe charges (if there are multiple), reducing the sentence or even replacing the charges with lesser ones.

In Cain's case even dropping the "attempted murder" charge would put him in jail due to multiple gun charges. If he gets less than 5 years minus the time he had spent in jail would be a good plea deal.

 

[pick999]

If cain had dana privilege he would only get 1 year

 

[StonedLemur]

It is a negotiation between the defendant and the prosecution to find a lesser sentence that the prosecution would agree to. It can involve dropping more severe charges (if there are multiple), reducing the sentence or even replacing the charges with lesser ones.

In Cain's case even dropping the "attempted murder" charge would put him in jail due to multiple gun charges. If he gets less than 5 years minus the time he had spent in jail would be a good plea deal.

Yes sir, I know how and why they do it...I was more wondering if anyone knows how much time he's getting.

Good post btw, it will certainly answer questions for some of the ones wondering.

 

[Pepy]

I'm in the minority on this but I do think he deserves to go to jail for how recklessly he acted. I'm sympathetic to his motivation but that's not anywhere near enough to exonerate him here. Even if the accused child molester was in fact guilty that doesn't justify a high speed shoot out which could get so many others in danger and indeed he ended up injuring someone other than the accused.

That said I hope he doesn't get a long sentence and is out relatively early.

agreed

 

[StonedLemur]

I definitely disagree here. When we punish criminals its not merely to get retribution or based on their likelihood of reoffending but also to deter future criminal acts. Sentencing Cain to only a year in prison is sending the wrong message with how recklessly he acted. In the future why wouldn't a parent in a similar situation take a shot at the accused if there's a chance they can get a relatively light punishment?

If anything we're already too lenient with reckless drivers and Cain not only drove recklessly he also discharged a firearm in public. Normally if all I knew about the defendant was that they tried to drive someone off the road and fired a gun at them from his car while on the highway I'd expect at least 15 years if not more so Cain getting 5-10 would be leniency IMO.

The obvious comparison to this case is that of Gary Plauche who infamously shot his son's karate instructor who kidnapped and molested the boy but there are relevant details that make his case far more sympathetic. For one the guilt of the accused molester was far more clear and secondly he shot him at point blank range. Anything can happen when a gun is discharged but Plauche to me acted far less recklessly than Cain in a situation where there was far less doubt about the accused's guilt.

This makes Cain seem even worse. It looks like the case against the alleged child molester is not so strong and in fact these kinds of accusations against daycares are common and in many cases amount to nothing.

How much time do you think he should get sir?

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Usually when you enter a no contest plea you still go to prison for some time.
Anyone have anymore information on this sir.

@Islam Imamate

 

[TheBulge]

One thing I wonder which might work against Cain is, if the accused gets free and Cain as well one day. Is he gonna try to get the guy again? I know I wouldn't just let it slide.