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Dont believe a word out of Bones mouth lol.
Not sure what you're on about with these 2 sentences as they're my exact sentiments, as well, and kind of hard not to have read by now, given the amount of reporting, and almost over-reporting on the topic.
As for the rest of your post, where are these instances of people supplementing epi, as I'm unaware of an instance where an athlete popped for a failed T/E in the reverse, or an instance where an athlete passed T/E but then tests proved he was dosing equivalent test and epi so as to gain benefits, while still passing the initial test. Not saying that either scenarios are impossible, just that I've never even heard of it, but would gladly stand corrected, if you will substantiate this with any kind of example.
And yes, elevated T/E does, in fact, indicate supplementation of synthetic testosterone, as it is the basis and purpose for the test, to begin with (barring rare genetic anomaly, of course).
Yes and that is why they allow it up to 6:1 ratio...Even though maybe 1% of population has that high of a ratio. External test does not effect epitestosterone levels, just the test levels. So if your normal t/e levels are for example 3:1 if you have 14:1 (like reem) it's likely you injected some testosterone. It doesn's say how much test you have, but if you're an avarege male - it's about 14 times more then other people.
In Jones case - one of the explinations would be he was about at the 2-3 weeks after his last test injection, and his natural test didn't recover fully yet. Knowing that he maybe snorted some coke so he could later blame it on coke. Or it could just be my conspiracy theory
I just want to get this clear.
Are you saying that it's more likely to you that the most dominant LHW in UFC history has had a drug abuse problem that diminishes his abilities than that he is using PEDs to enhance them?
Yes and that is why they allow it up to 6:1 ratio...Even though maybe 1% of population has that high of a ratio. External test does not effect epitestosterone levels, just the test levels. So if your normal t/e levels are for example 3:1 if you have 14:1 (like reem) it's likely you injected some testosterone. It doesn's say how much test you have, but if you're an avarege male - it's about 14 times more then other people.
In Jones case - one of the explinations would be he was about at the 2-3 weeks after his last test injection, and his natural test didn't recover fully yet. Knowing that he maybe snorted some coke so he could later blame it on coke. Or it could just be my conspiracy theory
I've never claimed that it has happened to a fighter, but it's common knowledge that your T/E ratio isn't a direct indication of your testosterone, as you just admitted in your post, and that reason is because of the variance of epitestosterone in your body. I mean, why else wouldn't this be a direct indication of your actual testosterone levels? That's the exact reason.
Anyways I guess I miss interpreted your post. I thought you were saying that a T/E ratio is JUST an indication of supplemented testosterone. Of course the purpose of a T/E ration is to judge supplemented testosterone since your epitestosterone would not rise with supplemented testosterone.
Love how everyone uses Overeem as an example, and not Sonnen when his ratio was higher (16.9:1)
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I hate the Dutch.
Love how everyone uses Overeem as an example, and not Sonnen when his ratio was higher (16.9:1)
Sherdog confirmed racists!
Your sentiments here, are the same as mine, and are the same sentiments as my original post, so I really don't know what this argument is about...
But I think if you'll take a few moments to read the posts that preceded it, I think you might change your stance on this being common knowledge, as numerous posts before mine indicating that this test, which was only a T/E ratio, means that he had high testosterone, would indicate otherwise. We would need to have had a blood test indicating his specific nanogram per deciliter levels, to actually know that.
Although, I'm still intrigued by your post stating he could have supplemented epi, because I've never heard of it...
Love how everyone uses Overeem as an example, and not Sonnen when his ratio was higher (16.9:1)
Sherdog confirmed racists!
That's the case here most likely, either Jones used a masking agent to increase his epi levels, and went too far with it. Or he's not doing good PCT and his test levels haven't recovered post cycle. Most masking agents don't "cloud" over the increased test, they increase the epi so things level out. Check out this http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/s...-german-expert-warns-balco-investigators.html.Your sentiments here, are the same as mine, and are the same sentiments as my original post, so I really don't know what this argument is about...
But I think if you'll take a few moments to read the posts that preceded it, I think you might change your stance on this being common knowledge, as numerous posts before mine indicating that this test, which was only a T/E ratio, means that he had high testosterone, would indicate otherwise. We would need to have had a blood test indicating his specific nanogram per deciliter levels, to actually know that.
Although, I'm still intrigued by your post stating he could have supplemented epi, because I've never heard of it...
Probably because Sonnen was actually allowed to take T, and his failed test was more technicality than Reems.
In any way, if one wants high ratio, Johnnie Morton was 84:1 when he got KTFO'd by Bernard Ackah.