Bruce Lee on the Heavy Bag

[lesterdiamond]

He did some cool action movies for the day and had some legit skills but at the end of the day I would beat Bruce Lee's ass and I'm just some guy with mediocre wrestling creds that's been in a handful of streetfights.

just keeping it real.............flame on

 

[DivineComedy]

He did some cool action movies for the day and had some legit skills but at the end of the day I would beat Bruce Lee's ass and I'm just some guy with mediocre wrestling creds that's been in a handful of streetfights.

just keeping it real.............flame on

So has Bruce and he was taught how to grapple by Gene Lebell, who I would not proclaim as a mediocre teacher either. Makes it difficult to believe a random sherdogger with mediocre wrestling could "beat Bruce Lee's ass."

 

[judokaboxer]

bruce lee was demonstrating power and not form in his heavy bag. Maybe he was implying there that power can be present in whatever fist forms one uses. I also do his vertical fist in boxing. he was a wingchun practitioner so that kind of punches are present.

 

[weich]

Embedding that for you since it's so great and really hurts TS' theory.

How does this hurt my argument in anyway? The form Tyson shows is much better than the form Lee uses in the video I posted. It's not even close.

Lee's delusional fans would say that he would smoke Tyson in combat because boxers couldnt handle his speed, kicks, and uver potent secret martial arts techniques.

I think that's absurd.

My whole argument is that there is no evidence to support people's claims that Lee was an untouchable fighter. A majority of his fights took place in the streets, against nobodies. More fights took place in front of his students and friends and there are varied accounts to how Lee fought.

IE: There is ZERO evidence that Lee would have been a successful competitive fighter in any weight class, let alone fighting the best fighters 100 pounds heavier.

Do you really think Lee would beat anyone in the current MMA HW top 10? Or LHW? Or hell, even WW/LW?

 

[lesterdiamond]

So has Bruce and he was taught how to grapple by Gene Lebell, who I would not proclaim as a mediocre teacher either. Makes it difficult to believe a random sherdogger with mediocre wrestling could "beat Bruce Lee's ass."

yeah and a fuck ton of other celebs have taken lessons from real athletes as well. That being said there's nothing thast leads me to believe he could get off his back or sub me after I completly overpowered him to his back. I'm sorry but bruce lee was not Royce Gracie.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS

 

[Blue Streak]

Please elaborate for those of us who are interested please. Maybe an old link you know?

Yes. I too would like to learn more about this. Particularly, why did old school boxers (back before big gloves were introduced) fight with their hands low, as compared to modern boxers? Also, is this something that is only applicable to boxing (due to lack of kicks and knees) or is it a principle that can transfer to kickboxing/MT and/or MMA?

 

[xilliun]

problem is you started this thread discounting Bruce Lee when its not bruce lee, but clearly some of his fans that you have a problem with. i'm a Lee fan for sure. have been since i was a kid (i'm 34 now). in fact, i study his martial art and philosophy. however, even i'm not dumb enough to think that bruce could beat ANY man on the planet. no such person exists. there is always someone that can beat you for one reason or another. more skilled, bigger, faster, whatever . the fans that say such things are no different than fans of fedor or tyson. it was said in the past that they couldn't be beaten either, but that proved untrue. overzealous fans say crazy things about anybody that they worship.
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[JerkWeed]

He's not nothing on Beebs, that's for sure.

 

[KyleInAction]

 

[quatin]

yeah and a fuck ton of other celebs have taken lessons from real athletes as well. That being said there's nothing thast leads me to believe he could get off his back or sub me after I completly overpowered him to his back. I'm sorry but bruce lee was not Royce Gracie.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS

 

[Graceland]

yeah and a fuck ton of other celebs have taken lessons from real athletes as well. That being said there's nothing thast leads me to believe he could get off his back or sub me after I completly overpowered him to his back. I'm sorry but bruce lee was not Royce Gracie.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS

but my dad could beat your dad

 

[DivineComedy]

yeah and a fuck ton of other celebs have taken lessons from real athletes as well. That being said there's nothing thast leads me to believe he could get off his back or sub me after I completly overpowered him to his back. I'm sorry but bruce lee was not Royce Gracie.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS

Your point? Does being a celebrity make you any less capable to learn from real athletes? I direct you to Ed O'Neill

 

[weich]

Your point? Does being a celebrity make you any less capable to learn from real athletes? I direct you to Ed O'Neill

No, but Ed O'Neill spent 14 years training with his instructor. Did Lee spend 14 years with Labelle?

Bieber spent some time training with Tyson, do you feel he's a skilled fighter now?

 

[DivineComedy]

No, but Ed O'Neill spent 17 years training with his instructor. Did Lee spend 14 years with Labelle?

Bieber spent some time training with Tyson, do you feel he's a skilled fighter now?

Did I say Lee spent 14 years training with Lebelle? Lester insinuates because Bruce is a celeb, he can't learn? My point with Ed is merely that a celeb can learn. It's not some mystical fame shield that prevents celebs from learning. Bruce Lee is not the end all, be all martial artist at all, but I highly doubt a random internet warrior with just 'mediocre' wrestling could "beat Bruce Lee's ass." Unless you believe he can?

 

[weich]

Did I say Lee spent 14 years training with Lebelle? Lester insinuates because Bruce is a celeb, he can't learn? My point with Ed is merely that a celeb can learn. It's not some mystical fame shield that prevents celebs from learning. Bruce Lee is not the end all, be all martial artist at all, but I highly doubt a random internet warrior with just 'mediocre' wrestling could "beat Bruce Lee's ass." Unless you believe he can?

I understand your point. I was just trying to point out that training with someone is loosely defined, and Lee could have claimed that after training with him for a couple hours, days, or a week.

I don't know if a random internet warrior could be Lee's ass. I don't have any idea how good of a fighter Lee is, as there are few neutral accounts of how proficient he was. I also have no idea how big lester diamond is, what he considers mediocre wrestling, or any other facts. Certainly not enough to make an educated guess.

 

[Sanda Sanshou]

..Its a sad state of affairs when people still try to drag through the dirt the abilities of a man who died almost 40 years ago and also have the nerve to compare him to professional fighters of this era...whats next...saying the U.S Army could take out Alexander the Great??? Bruce Lee was a Man who's thinking and ideology helped bring the idea of abandoning set styles to the MAINSTREAM.

He was more than just a Martial Artist, he was a philosopher and the no.1 zeitgeist of his era.

 

[DivineComedy]

I understand your point. I was just trying to point out that training with someone is loosely defined, and Lee could have claimed that after training with him for a couple hours, days, or a week.

I don't know if a random internet warrior could be Lee's ass. I don't have any idea how good of a fighter Lee is, as there are few neutral accounts of how proficient he was. I also have no idea how big lester diamond is, what he considers mediocre wrestling, or any other facts. Certainly not enough to make an educated guess.

Just for extra info, Gene Lebell has stated that Lee trained under him for a year at his school w/ privates.

 

[Jukai]

How does this hurt my argument in anyway? The form Tyson shows is much better than the form Lee uses in the video I posted. It's not even close.

Lee's delusional fans would say that he would smoke Tyson in combat because boxers couldnt handle his speed, kicks, and uver potent secret martial arts techniques.

I think that's absurd.

My whole argument is that there is no evidence to support people's claims that Lee was an untouchable fighter. A majority of his fights took place in the streets, against nobodies. More fights took place in front of his students and friends and there are varied accounts to how Lee fought.

IE: There is ZERO evidence that Lee would have been a successful competitive fighter in any weight class, let alone fighting the best fighters 100 pounds heavier.

Do you really think Lee would beat anyone in the current MMA HW top 10? Or LHW? Or hell, even WW/LW?

It hurts your point because you looked at what Bruce Lee was doing and said "THAT'S NOT BOXING, HE CLEARLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING!" and then people have posted that it's a common exercise that Louis and Tyson are filmed doing, and not actually boxing. And then others have given proof that Bruce Lee did infact box in school, and was very successful at it.

I do not think Bruce Lee could beat a top 10 HW because he's not a heavyweight. And to be honest, I don't think most of his fans believe that either.

If Bruce Lee ever competed in MMA, he would be a LW/FW. Now, could he beat a top LW/FW? No. He was an actor, not a full time fighter. However, I do think he had the tools and the ability TO fight in the UFC. And that's pretty big praise.

I don't really know what you're trying to disprove here. No one here thinks he could beat Brock Lesnar in a cage fight. We just respect Bruce Lee as a really good fighter. Champions in all different combat sports liked to spar with him on the regular, so how bad could he be?

 

[weich]

It hurts your point because you looked at what Bruce Lee was doing and said "THAT'S NOT BOXING, HE CLEARLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING!" and then people have posted that it's a common exercise that Louis and Tyson are filmed doing, and not actually boxing. And then others have given proof that Bruce Lee did infact box in school, and was very successful at it.

I must have missed the part of the Tyson vid where he did anything like Lee.

Lee boxed in HS, great, I know nothing about his opponents or any other info necessary to determine how skilled he really was.

I do not think Bruce Lee could beat a top 10 HW because he's not a heavyweight. And to be honest, I don't think most of his fans believe that either.

I don't think a lot of his fans on this site believe that, but out of the common populace many do.

If Bruce Lee ever competed in MMA, he would be a LW/FW. Now, could he beat a top LW/FW? No. He was an actor, not a full time fighter. However, I do think he had the tools and the ability TO fight in the UFC. And that's pretty big praise.

If you look back at my OP, you'll see that I didn't slander Lee, other than to say his bag training was embarassingly bad, I did say:

I respect Lee for being a physical speciman, and his study of martial arts. I think it's great that he realized there were a lot of flaws in Eastern MAs and wanted to adapt different styles. However, the legend of his fighting prowess is clearly better than his actual fighting prowess. I think it's hilarious that many feel he would be able to beat any current MMA fighter of any division.

Which I stand by. Particularly the bolded part. His legend has surpassed his actual ability.

I don't really know what you're trying to disprove here. No one here thinks he could beat Brock Lesnar in a cage fight. We just respect Bruce Lee as a really good fighter. Champions in all different combat sports liked to spar with him on the regular, so how bad could he be?

Some people, again not people here, do think that he would smoke Lesnar in a fight, or anyone in a fight. After yet another conversation with his delusional fans I made this thread.

I respect Lee as a martial artist. I don't know that I respect him as a fighter because I have seen little proof from neutral sources that he was a good fighter. How do we know he had a chin? Or the mental edge necessary to survive a beating and keep going?

As far as sparring with other professionals that's great. I'm glad people liked sparring with him. That still doesn't prove to me that he is one of the greatest fighters, let alone the greatest fighter, to ever live. Many people feel that he was/is.

 

[Jukai]

I don't think a lot of his fans on this site believe that, but out of the common populace many do.

No, the common populace doesn't believe this.

What's with all this 'chin' talk? Do you mean the ability to take a punch? You don't need a rock solid chin to be a good fighter, Arlovski had one of the worst chins I've seen at any level of competition and still is one of the better heavyweights of all time in MMA.