Bruce Lee on the Heavy Bag

[Sinister]

theres nothing brilliant about Bruce Lee, he was a movie star who played in kung fu movies and liked MA. Your an idiot if you think people weren't blending MAs before Bruce Lee.

Similarly, you're an idiot if you thing there was nothing brilliant about Bruce Lee.

 

[My little Tony]

regardless of him being as great as some people say or not, he did come up with some good stuff. First of all the 'absorb what is useful' mentality.

His books speak for themselves.

 

[Sinister]

Denying his progressive thinking and intelligence, as well as fearlessness of experimentation in the World of traditional Martial Arts is just plain stupid. So is saying "hes an actor who liked martial arts." He was a martial artist before he became an actor, and being an actor was his chosen profession. However, he was a staunch supporter of combat sports in general at the time, including working with competing kickboxers like Joe Lewis. And it's not as if he'd never been IN a fight before, he was Bruce Lee, being stepped to was a regular thing. But rating something like that is like rating bareknuckle fights from early Boxing. How do any of you KNOW John L. Sullivan was a bad man. How do you KNOW his feats weren't exaggerated? After all, newspaper accounts and witness writings are all we had to go on. Some of it IS exaggerated, some isn't. But was he a bad mufucka? I'd wager yes considering many people were there and agree on it, and even people who knew and DIDN'T like him agreed on it.

 

[barnowl]

Denying his progressive thinking and intelligence, as well as fearlessness of experimentation in the World of traditional Martial Arts is just plain stupid. So is saying "hes an actor who liked martial arts." He was a martial artist before he became an actor, and being an actor was his chosen profession. However, he was a staunch supporter of combat sports in general at the time, including working with competing kickboxers like Joe Lewis. And it's not as if he'd never been IN a fight before, he was Bruce Lee, being stepped to was a regular thing. But rating something like that is like rating bareknuckle fights from early Boxing. How do any of you KNOW John L. Sullivan was a bad man. How do you KNOW his feats weren't exaggerated? After all, newspaper accounts and witness writings are all we had to go on. Some of it IS exaggerated, some isn't. But was he a bad mufucka? I'd wager yes considering many people were there and agree on it, and even people who knew and DIDN'T like him agreed on it.

First time I have seen Bruce compared to John Sullivan.

 

[Sinister]

You ever seen John L. fight?

 

[fightingrabbit]

I ended up starting a new post asking why people thought Lee and other movie MAs would be able to beat people. Every pro Lee comment got upvoted like crazy, any of my comments on them not being proven fighters was downvoted instantly.

Shit like that drives me crazy.

You've been on this earth for how long? Welcome to life.

 

[weich]

lol embarrassingly bad?

Look at his hand speed and how he keeps his feet moving.

Try following a heavy around and it with perfectly timed straight punches. See how that works out.

I dont' find his handspeed particularly impressive. I don't find his moving feet particularly impressive either.

I don't see perfectely timed punches either, nor a lot straight punches. Most of what he throws are looping punches.

By comparison I think this hand speed, movement, and technique is amazing to watch:

 

[Graceland]

Denying his progressive thinking and intelligence, as well as fearlessness of experimentation in the World of traditional Martial Arts is just plain stupid. So is saying "hes an actor who liked martial arts." He was a martial artist before he became an actor, and being an actor was his chosen profession.

Not true actually. He was a child actor and started his Wing Chun training relatively late. He took some of that showbiz know-how with him into his demos. "Boards don't hit back" - well neither do people who stand square holding a punching pad in front of a chair so that the fall will look more impressive (why is there always a chair for them to stumble over). He made the most out of his Hollywood star students too, and made a vow to become greater than Steve McQueen when the latter refused to "carry him on his shoulders" into the film industry. And he made it! Lee was a marketing genius - and a hell of a fighter in his time.

 

[Graceland]

Well.. he was in Thailand a few time.. Why not try it there. I am no anderson silva. But i did not mind getting into the ring to test myself.

Also they had boxing gyms in usa.

You have to understand that Lee trained vigourously for effective street fighting, and probably realized that by not being able to use the majority of those techniques in a competition, he would have a handicap. Also, his reputation was at stake. But he did fight a thai boxer while shooting The Big Boss. Interestingly, he did not think there was much to absorbe from MT in terms of applicable techniques for effective self defence. He competed in boxing at high school in HK though - as well as in cha-cha dancing. He probably absorbed more from his dancing background than from MT... His footwork was something else.

 

[Sinister]

Not true actually. He was a child actor and started his Wing Chun training relatively late. He took some of that showbiz know-how with him into his demos. "Boards don't hit back" - well neither do people who stand square holding a punching pad in front of a chair so that the fall will look more impressive (why is there always a chair for them to stumble over). He made the most out of his Hollywood star students too, and made a vow to become greater than Steve McQueen when the latter refused to "carry him on his shoulders" into the film industry. And he made it! Lee was a marketing genius - and a hell of a fighter in his time.

I'm not sure I can call small bit parts in commercials or minor films an acting career. However Wing Chun wasn't his first Martial Arts training.

 

[Jukai]

You have to understand that Lee trained vigourously for effective street fighting, and probably realized that by not being able to use the majority of those techniques in a competition, he would have a handicap. Also, his reputation was at stake. But he did fight a thai boxer while shooting The Big Boss. Interestingly, he did not think there was much to absorbe from MT in terms of applicable techniques for effective self defence. He competed in boxing at high school in HK though - as well as in cha-cha dancing. He probably absorbed more from his dancing background than from MT... His footwork was something else.

Are you certain? I've read the exact opposite. He had a problem with the lack of fluid footwork in kickboxing but loved just about everything else.

 

[LetUrHandsGo***]

Not to mention he drops his hands to throw the punches and keeps them low after.

there's a few pro boxers who are considered greats who dropped their hands cuz they could get a way with it due to speed and reaction time to avoid damage. Prince naseem, RJJ, etc. I'd say Bruce could get away with it.

I imagine bruce would have a similar "style" to the prince since he liked to show boat

Everything about that clip is wrong yet he doesn't take any damage and lands almost everything he throws.

 

[Sinister]

Well, having the hands up is an arbitrary thing to say. There are a lot of trainers who say: "keep your hands up" and if you ask them why, they'll say to protect yourself. That's NOT the reason you should have your hands up if you're going to put them up. Plenty of old fighters fought with their hands slightly lower than their faces, and it's not because they didn't know any better.

 

[weich]

Well, having the hands up is an arbitrary thing to say. There are a lot of trainers who say: "keep your hands up" and if you ask them why, they'll say to protect yourself. That's NOT the reason you should have your hands up.

I thought it was for a combination of things: defense, not having a tell before throwing a punch, not adding in extra movement before throwing a punch, and having your hands in proper position to throw a punch.

I'd like your input though.

 

[Sinister]

Being in position to throw a punch is the only answer. The rest comes from people who only learned from trainers who advocated using the hands for defense. Which wasn't really applicable before bigger gloves started being used. And it's still not THAT applicable if you know other methods of defending yourself.

 

[DoctorTaco]

carlson was doing vale tudo even before lee started having these "ideas".

I wonder if Bruce ever received one of those letters from the gracies challenging him to a fight

 

[00 Buck]

Being in position to throw a punch is the only answer. The rest comes from people who only learned from trainers who advocated using the hands for defense. Which wasn't really applicable before bigger gloves started being used. And it's still not THAT applicable if you know other methods of defending yourself.

Isn't it like simplifying for beginners? Much easier for a noob to parry with his hands up than down because he has slower reflexes, worse technique, etc..

Anyway. That vid of Bruce isn't that bad. Sometimes I see pros working on specific things and ignoring others, things us n0obs might think are important even.

 

[Discipulus]

Being in position to throw a punch is the only answer. The rest comes from people who only learned from trainers who advocated using the hands for defense. Which wasn't really applicable before bigger gloves started being used. And it's still not THAT applicable if you know other methods of defending yourself.

You don't think parries and catches are applicable with small gloves/bare fists? Covering up or keeping a tight guard, no. But I would think active defense with the hands still works.

 

[Sinister]

I can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather learn a craft in it's most efficient form. Not a "for dummies" version.

 

[Da Speeit]

I dont' find his handspeed particularly impressive. I don't find his moving feet particularly impressive either.

I don't see perfectely timed punches either, nor a lot straight punches. Most of what he throws are looping punches.

By comparison I think this hand speed, movement, and technique is amazing to watch:

So Ike is a better boxer than Bruce Lee.

Man, youre really opening eyes here