Bruce Lee on the Heavy Bag

[joe broadway]

You know nothing about me.
I'm 2-0. May not be that big of a deal to someone like yourself, but I at least have those credentials until I'm beaten or at least am not able to fight any longer.

The funny part is, you're defending a man who in his own right possessed a good knowledge of martial arts, Lee made some fantastic movies and probably the best Kung Fu movies ever. Yes, he was in tremendous shape and was lightning fast. Fair enough. But if you're going to say that Lee was/is better than any modern day fighter in MMA; you're obviously mistaken.
He had great ideas about eliminating what wasn't essential to an art, thus utilizing those moves and creating a form in the manner of hybrid fighting. (almagam)

He won some boxing matches, some karate tournaments, but against who?

There was plenty of competition for him in those days whether it were yesteryear catch wrestlers or kickboxers (perhaps not many known to us because the sport was relatively new then)...and yet, who did he defeat?
I couldn't consider any claim of his feats as credible other than his physical prowess.

Keep in mind that even the most unskilledand green MMA fighter has a stand up guard for stand up and the same for ground. Even if they're taught a little about Ground game, it takes a tremendous amount of power away from someone once they're taken down. I would know.

who did YOU beat? I have known plenty of people who went "2-0" who were nothing more then sloppy brawlers (mma wannabe's) with no real skill or endurance. nothing to take away from you personally, but going 2-0 really means nothing when compared against someone like bruce lee, it shouldn't even be brought up. it seems like you are putting yourself into a category of "modern mmartists", which should probably be reserved for professionals (people who earn their living doing that). yeah, these guys would totally own lee, but you probably wouldn't (who knows, maybe you are going to beat cigano, of jones when he goes up to hwt?).

btw, I have seen straight karate dudes who were no where near the level of lee who would totally trash your average $500/night mma guy. lee trained with most of the best martial artists in his day, and a lot of these guys went to train with lee because he was a great martial artist...which is how he was remembered, because lets be honest, his movies weren't that great (although I love them).

 

[airman20012001]

who did YOU beat? I have known plenty of people who went "2-0" who were nothing more then sloppy brawlers (mma wannabe's) with no real skill or endurance. nothing to take away from you personally, but going 2-0 really means nothing when compared against someone like bruce lee, it shouldn't even be brought up. it seems like you are putting yourself into a category of "modern mmartists", which should probably be reserved for professionals (people who earn their living doing that). yeah, these guys would totally own lee, but you probably wouldn't (who knows, maybe you are going to beat cigano, of jones when he goes up to hwt?).

btw, I have seen straight karate dudes who were no where near the level of lee who would totally trash your average $500/night mma guy. lee trained with most of the best martial artists in his day, and a lot of these guys went to train with lee because he was a great martial artist...which is how he was remembered, because lets be honest, his movies weren't that great (although I love them).

awsome

 

[stinkycheeks]

who did YOU beat? I have known plenty of people who went "2-0" who were nothing more then sloppy brawlers (mma wannabe's) with no real skill or endurance. nothing to take away from you personally, but going 2-0 really means nothing when compared against someone like bruce lee, it shouldn't even be brought up. it seems like you are putting yourself into a category of "modern mmartists", which should probably be reserved for professionals (people who earn their living doing that). yeah, these guys would totally own lee, but you probably wouldn't (who knows, maybe you are going to beat cigano, of jones when he goes up to hwt?).

btw, I have seen straight karate dudes who were no where near the level of lee who would totally trash your average $500/night mma guy. lee trained with most of the best martial artists in his day, and a lot of these guys went to train with lee because he was a great martial artist...which is how he was remembered, because lets be honest, his movies weren't that great (although I love them).

I'm not comparing Lee to anything; you are.

Lee was an actor and a Martial Artist of yesteryear. Do you honestly think Jackie Chan, Wesley Snipes, Jean Claude Van Damme or Jet Li would be able to fight ANYONE as well based off their mastery of Wushu/karate/kung fu?

Here's a good one. Ever hear of Ron Van Clief?
I have. He was also a Kung Fu film star who displayed some excellent technique ON SCREEN. The difference would be that Clief actually competed in Karate tournaments and won loads of them. That's more than what I could actually say about Lee other than his Karate Tourney wins in Long beach, CA.

Guess what?
He was easily taken out by Royce Gracie in UFC.

I refuse to indulge in this thread any longer.
You're exactly what's wrong with Bruce Lee fans or anything that concerns Lee's legacy. You, much like any fanatic are willing to exaggerate, speculate and defend someone you consider "the greatest" based on nothing.
In truth, Lee fanboys have ZERO proof Bruce fought or beat anyone other than hearsay/legend and romanticism with the characters he portrayed.

You should learn to appreciate Lee for who he WAS rather than what you want him to be.

In closing, Lee would've easily been beaten by Benny the Jet.

 

[DivineComedy]

I'm not comparing Lee to anything; you are.

Lee was an actor and a Martial Artist of yesteryear. Do you honestly think Jackie Chan, Wesley Snipes, Jean Claude Van Damme or Jet Li would be able to fight ANYONE as well based off their mastery of Wushu/karate/kung fu?

Here's a good one. Ever hear of Ron Van Clief?
I have. He was also a Kung Fu film star who displayed some excellent technique ON SCREEN. The difference would be that Clief actually competed in Karate tournaments and won loads of them. That's more than what I could actually say about Lee other than his Karate Tourney wins in Long beach, CA.

Guess what?
He was easily taken out by Royce Gracie in UFC.

I refuse to indulge in this thread any longer.
You're exactly what's wrong with Bruce Lee fans or anything that concerns Lee's legacy. You, much like any fanatic are willing to exaggerate, speculate and defend someone you consider "the greatest" based on nothing.
In truth, Lee fanboys have ZERO proof Bruce fought or beat anyone other than hearsay/legend and romanticism with the characters he portrayed.

You should learn to appreciate Lee for who he WAS rather than what you want him to be.

In closing, Lee would've easily been beaten by Benny the Jet.

Hahhahaha, Van Clief was in his 50's during his UFC tournament, Royce was like what? in his mid-20s?

 

[Jukai]

I'm not comparing Lee to anything; you are.

Lee was an actor and a Martial Artist of yesteryear. Do you honestly think Jackie Chan, Wesley Snipes, Jean Claude Van Damme or Jet Li would be able to fight ANYONE as well based off their mastery of Wushu/karate/kung fu?

Here's a good one. Ever hear of Ron Van Clief?
I have. He was also a Kung Fu film star who displayed some excellent technique ON SCREEN. The difference would be that Clief actually competed in Karate tournaments and won loads of them. That's more than what I could actually say about Lee other than his Karate Tourney wins in Long beach, CA.

Guess what?
He was easily taken out by Royce Gracie in UFC.

I refuse to indulge in this thread any longer.
You're exactly what's wrong with Bruce Lee fans or anything that concerns Lee's legacy. You, much like any fanatic are willing to exaggerate, speculate and defend someone you consider "the greatest" based on nothing.
In truth, Lee fanboys have ZERO proof Bruce fought or beat anyone other than hearsay/legend and romanticism with the characters he portrayed.

You should learn to appreciate Lee for who he WAS rather than what you want him to be.

In closing, Lee would've easily been beaten by Benny the Jet.

Please stop embarrassing yourself. Benny the Jet has 53 wins and that came after countless amateur kickboxing and point karate competitions. Benny would probably beat Bruce (although given Benny's weakness was leg kicks and grappling, the jury's still out on that).

You're 2-0, a record which is below plenty of posters on Sherdog. No one is going to believe you could beat up someone who trained in martial arts for 25 years. Sorry.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

You're 2-0, a record which is below plenty of posters on Sherdog. No one is going to believe you could beat up someone who trained in martial arts for 25 years. Sorry.

Dont forget he stinks as well

 

[goldenera]

Please stop embarrassing yourself. Benny the Jet has 53 wins and that came after countless amateur kickboxing and point karate competitions. Benny would probably beat Bruce (although given Benny's weakness was leg kicks and grappling, the jury's still out on that).

You're 2-0, a record which is below plenty of posters on Sherdog. No one is going to believe you could beat up someone who trained in martial arts for 25 years. Sorry.

He trained in martial arts, not fighting. However I should point out this does not mean he cannot fight. Do you understand how far training has moved on since around 2006 to now, now work out back to the 1970s-80s and you will have an even bigger gap.

If his weakness was 'leg kicks and grappling' whats he going to do when the fight goes to the ground.

Kowning how to defending leg kicks is basic stuff in MT just bring the leg up when the kicks come down. If his grappling is poor does he know how to sprawl. Whats he going to do in the clinch, does he know how to pummel. Realistically he may have good boxing and he'll probably be tough, but thats all he has. He would need to train for several years before being ready to go pro.

 

[Discipulus]

He trained in martial arts, not fighting. However I should point out this does not mean he cannot fight. Do you understand how far training has moved on since around 2006 to now, now work out back to the 1970s-80s and you will have an even bigger gap.

If his weakness was 'leg kicks and grappling' whats he going to do when the fight goes to the ground.

Kowning how to defending leg kicks is basic stuff in MT just bring the leg up when the kicks come down. If his grappling is poor does he know how to sprawl. Whats he going to do in the clinch, does he know how to pummel. Realistically he may have good boxing and he'll probably be tough, but thats all he has. He would need to train for several years before being ready to go pro.

Stopped reading after that gem.

 

[goldenera]

Stopped reading after that gem.

Martial arts are not fights, there is generally a low amount or sparring in them. The only martial arts are signifcantly used in MMA are BJJ\Judo, even then BJJ are closer to combat sport because of the amount of sparring.

Just because you fail to understand the difference is a reflection you and if you cannot read the rest it also shows your lack of concentration skills.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Martial arts are not fights,

The whole point of martial arts is to fight. Hence why they are called MARTIAL arts.

there is generally a low amount or sparring in them.

These are referred to as "shitty schools."

 

[goldenera]

The whole point of martial arts is to fight. Hence why they are called MARTIAL arts.





These are referred to as "shitty schools."

A lot of traditional martial arts do not teach you how to fight well and have no sparring. Qualifying that a lot of MMA gyms also give poor instruction. There will be some Judo & Karate schools that give a lot of time to sparring but most do not.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

A lot of traditional martial arts do not teach you how to fight well and have no sparring.

These schools broke tradition by not sparring or fighting as this was quite common across the board for many different styles. Most of them have a practitioner or founder who was known for testing his skill by whatever means was available at his time.

Qualifying that a lot of MMA gyms also give poor instruction.

No legit one does.

 

[goldenera]

These schools broke tradition by not sparring or fighting as this was quite common across the board for many different styles. Most of them have a practitioner or founder who was known for testing his skill by whatever means was available at his time.




No legit one does.

And you can also add a lot of those styles did not work.

And what does 'no-one legit does mean' the quality of coaching & sparring partners varies a lot, why do you think fighters move around different gyms.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

And you can also add a lot of those styles did not work.

Its more than likely that as fighting was abandoned the styles became altered , less practical ,and thus ineffective.

And what does 'no-one legit does mean' .

No gym run by well known and respected coaches that has a stable of succesful fighters is going to be giving your poor instruction.

why do you think fighters move around different gyms

They move around in different gyms primarily to get a wide assortment of training partners and coaches who can offer them something different.

 

[goldenera]

No gym run by well known and respected coaches that has a stable of succesful fighters is going to be giving your poor instruction.

And you are sure of this because....

Go watch that MTV cage fighting show.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

And you are sure of this because....

Go watch that MTV cage fighting show.

what acclaimed gym did these gentleman on this show train at? Havent seen the show but i just read a brief description

"It

 

[Stokanator]

Kinda sloppy. But good power. I dont want to see another "lets piss on bruce lee" thread.

Everything stupid about Bruce Lee, comes from his nerdy fans.. Not from the man himself


(war Bruce)

These was a lot of power behind those punches and you can't judge how good he was off a 15 sec video, I've heard that video was a very young Bruce Lee as well. I believe it was 9 years before his death. He likely evolved quite a bit more after that.

TS also goes on a rant that Lee only fought street fighters. I'm sure it can account for some of his fights but he trained with real martial artists who respected his abilities as a martial artist. He went through the same crap any known tough guys would, everyone wanting to test how good you are, and im sure he had consistent challenges. I'm sure he fought some worthy opponents. Martial arts didn't really catch on until many years after his death, he was one of the 1st to bring a form of katate into the US, along with people like Ed Parker. If it weren't for guys like them we may have never seen the popularity we see today in combat sports.

Are people better now, I'm sure. Every physical sport increases in talent and ability as time passes. People physically become faster, stonger, and quicker due to sciences effect on physical activity and pushing the body to its ultimate limit. Bruce Lee was a specimen and was one of the best for his time and were still talking about him 40 years after his death.

 

[goldenera]

what acclaimed gym did these gentleman on this show train at? Havent seen the show but i just read a brief description

"It

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

It certainly is not acclaimed but you never mentioned that you just said legit.

what the fuck do you think a gym with a known respected coach and fighters is? Starts with an A say it with me.....:icon_lol:

Further from what I'm looking at it said all the fighters are ammys .

 

[Jukai]

Stopped reading after that gem.

You should be happy. I think he confused Bruce Lee and Benny the Jet in my post and started bashing them as the same person or something. My head hurts.