BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

[Arkain2K]

Cuck? Its not like the EU is saying "Stay or else" its actually saying "Leave as fast as possible so that we can move on".

Your politicians are spineless this is 100% in the British court and you are all playing like shit, claiming the evil EU is trying to ignore the popular vote. When the EU is the one saying leave at this point.

The shamelessness displayed by some of the delusional British posters in this thread is incredible. You guy voted to Leave, the E.U have asked you repeatedly to Leave, now just fucking Leave already!!!

With all the foot-dragging, back-pedalling, straw-grasping, and finger-pointing after the vote, I now seriously doubts that we would even see Article 50 invoked by the British this year, if at all.

A few days ago, the vote was widely seen as a display of defiance. Now it just looks like a bluff that got called.

And of course its hell, because quite frankly the vast majority of Brits wanted to stay, but it seems they are a bunch of lazy bums, that the moment they heard that the remain side was winning, they said "fuck it, im not wasting an hour of my life to go and vote in the most important decision of the last few decades. Its already won, the polls say it right?"

It does explain why there are millions of stupid young Brits demanding a second round of voting (via online petition, of all things) because they somehow didn't get to do it properly the first time.

It's unclear if that's also the evil E.U's fault as well.

 

[TheStruggle]

The shamelessness displayed by some of the delusional British posters in this thread is incredible. You guy voted to Leave, the E.U have asked you repeatedly to Leave, now just fucking Leave already!!!

With all the foot-dragging, back-pedalling, and finger-pointing after the vote, I now seriously doubts that we would even see Article 50 invoked by the British this year, if at all.

A few days ago, the vote was seen as a display of defiance. Now it just looks like a bluff that got called.

And people like you ignoring the fact that the guy who didn't want to leave the EU in the first place is now refusing to act Article 50

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

The shamelessness displayed by some of the delusional British posters in this thread is incredible. You guy voted to Leave, the E.U have asked you repeatedly to Leave, now just fucking Leave already!!!

With all the foot-dragging, back-pedalling, and finger-pointing after the vote, I now seriously doubts that we would even see Article 50 invoked by the British this year, if at all.

A few days ago, the vote was seen as a display of defiance. Now it just looks like a bluff that got called.

I'm genuinely curious but is it up to the politicians or the people to initiate this divorce? The people have already chosen to leave so I assume if they could they would have already begun. Also is it Cameron himself or his party as a collective who make this decision? I have no idea how this Eu behemoth operates

 

[Bald1]

I'm genuinely curious but is it up to the politicians or the people to initiate this divorce? The people have already chosen to leave so I assume if they could they would have already begun. Also is it Cameron himself or his party as a collective who make this decision? I have no idea how this Eu behemoth operates

This doesn't really answer your question, but the leave side didn't really have a plan, or any sort of framework in place if they won. Cameron is refusing to get the article 50 process going. Also, Brexit isn't a legally binding process. There's a lot of uncertainty surrounding this whole deal.

 

[Arkain2K]

I'm genuinely curious but is it up to the politicians or the people to initiate this divorce? The people have already chosen to leave so I assume if they could they would have already begun. Also is it Cameron himself or his party as a collective who make this decision? I have no idea how this Eu behemoth operates

It is confirmed at the E.U summit last week that Article 50 is triggered the moment the E.U receives the formal written notification by the Prime Minister of the country leaving the union, in accordance to the will of the people who actually showed up to vote.

Cameron doesn't want to break up the U.K from the European Union, so he's rather be resigning than being the one officially initiating Brexit. After Cameron steps down in September, that task falls on whomever replacing him as the next Prime Minister of the U.K, presumably someone from the Leave camp.

And people like you ignoring the fact that the guy who didn't want to leave the EU in the first place is now refusing to act Article 50

Are you sure you're a Leaver? You seems to be very behind on your own camp's latest positions.

Boris Johnson has said Britain should not immediately trigger article 50 to start exit negotiations with the EU after the momentous referendum verdict.

In sombre tones and accompanied by fellow Brexit campaigners Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove, the former mayor of London said there was “no need for haste” and “nothing will change in the short term” in his first press conference since the vote.

His statement contradicted demands from senior EU representatives who said the UK should implement Brexit “as soon as possible, however painful that process may be”.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/boris-johnson-no-need-haste-eu-exit-negotiations

But it's the evil E.U and their house cuck David Cameron that's disrespecting your vote and trying desperately to keep you in, amirite?

Now that Boris start back-pedalling, I'm not even gonna be surprised if he no longer wants to replace Cameron and be in the unenviable position of responsible for pressing that Brexit button.

 

[Rod1]

And people like you ignoring the fact that the guy who didn't want to leave the EU in the first place is now refusing to act Article 50

But he is resigning, its not like he is blocking it on command of its EU masters.

He is just a spineless coward trying to avoid the political cost of leaving the EU leaving execution to the next prime minister, since he knows that most British want to remain but were too lazy to vote for it. So who in the right is going to bell the cat? who knows.

 

[TheStruggle]

Are you sure you're a Leaver? You seems to be very behind on your own camp's latest positions.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/boris-johnson-no-need-haste-eu-exit-negotiations

Now that Boris start back-pedalling, I'm not even gonna be surprised if he no longer wants to replace Cameron and be in the unenviable position of responsible for pressing that Brexit button.

The night of experts said it would take at least two years to move out of the EU officially, A point that seems lost with alot of people. It seems to me the only people who are freaking out are the ones trying to convince everyone that the people got it wrong and that they need to let the EU take full control of their country. I say get the process going but I am well aware this is only the beginning.

 

[TheStruggle]

But he is resigning, its not like he is blocking it on command of its EU masters.

He is just a spineless coward trying to avoid the political cost of leaving the EU leaving execution to the next prime minister, since he knows that most British want to remain but were too lazy to vote for it. So who in the right is going to bell the cat? who knows.

Cameron wrecked his own career by siding with the globalists on this matter in the first place, his only chance to save face with REMAIN winning and they didn't

 

[Codger]

Take a look at page 1, then feel ashamed that you'd even made such an idiotic post.

He spent so much time putting these discussions together, kept them organized, and offer balance when either side start spewing outright lies (the latest being "The E.U is not letting us leave!" and "the E.U is freezing out the U.K from doing business in Europe!"), because he's a far better WR contributor than you ingrates would ever be.

Don't be angry because the bullshit from "your side" got called out, or the latest news update isn't on "your side".

Things are a little bit different on here than the Leave/Remain traveling circus in Britain, you see. We actually call out the lies from both camps, not parroting them, and we all takes turn contributing the latest news developments, as long as it's relevant to the subject matter, without taking special consideration to see if it's "positive" or "negative" to anyone's side.

That's the advantage of being able to look at Brexit with a neutral point of view: we're not emotionally-invested in any politicians in this picture, we do not swear allegiance to either camps throughout their campaign, nor are we compelled to defend them at all costs, the way you do.

Now go on, feel free to continue your participation, but do keep in mind that Important Notice in the OP the next time you feel like straying from the topic of discussion.

Yeah...really balanced. Your personal views are not at all completely obvious from your selection of articles and comments.

 

[Rod1]

It does explain why there are millions of stupid young Brits demanding a second round of voting (via online petition, of all things) because they somehow didn't get to do it properly the first time.

It's unclear if that's also the evil E.U's fault as well.

Well of course i read that the young people bitching had like a 40% voter turnout while the elderly had a 70% voter turnout, considering how closed it was and with basic statistics, it seems that the remain camp was simply too lazy to go and vote instead of the people actually wanting to leave.

So the remainers are blaming the old guys for not being lazy bums while the leavers didnt really had a plan of what they were going to do if they won, which leads me to believe they just went contrarian for political purposes expecting to lose.

 

[TheStruggle]

Well of course i read that the young people bitching had like a 40% voter turnout while the elderly had a 70% voter turnout, considering how closed it was and with basic statistics, it seems that the remain camp was simply too lazy to go and vote instead of the people actually wanting to leave.

So the remainers are blaming the old guys for not being lazy bums while the leavers didnt really had a plan of what they were going to do if they won, which leads me to believe they just went contrarian for political purposes expecting to lose.

The young people bitching about there future only had a 36% turnout

 

[Rod1]

The night of experts said it would take at least two years to move out of the EU officially, A point that seems lost with alot of people. It seems to me the only people who are freaking out are the ones trying to convince everyone that the people got it wrong and that they need to let the EU take full control of their country. I say get the process going but I am well aware this is only the beginning.

2 years is the time span that you have once you invoke article 50. Its not invoke article 50 and you are out. Article 50 is invoking negotiations that have 2 years limit to be sorted out.

So every second that passes moves the time limit for leaving to 2 years + the time between the present and that referendum.

 

[TheStruggle]

But it's the evil E.U and their house cuck David Cameron that's disrespecting your vote and trying desperately to keep you in, amirite?

.

You seem upset


Let me break it for you, while Leave already knew the process to leave the EU will be a long one, they would like to see things move faster because they don't want to give the EU and Eu supporters a chance to figure out a way to ignore the vote and stay in anyway which I know would give you a big boner at night. Maybe if you remain supporters were as informed about this BEFORE the vote and actually got off your ass and voted, this wouldn't be a problem. Then again, you aren't even from the UK so you bitter opinion means fuck all to begin with.

 

[Rod1]

The young people bitching about there future only had a 36% turnout

Of course so the british politicians know that the majority of UK citizens want to remain, but they are being forced to leave because thats what the people that actually voted wanted.

But you would think the British youth would be all "Well we fucked up" nope, they simply shifted the blame to others and will shift the blame to those in charge of Brexit, so Cameron as a spineless cowards doesnt invokes article 50 (like the people demanded) and instead resigns.

Nobody wants to be the prime minister that will be in charge of Brexit.

Because for the remainers, it means political suicide with their supporters and for the leavers, it means political suicide when they cant fulfill their promises

 

[curryjunkie]

It's apparently because he didn't do enough for the Remain campaign and is essentially being blamed for not doing enough to get traditional labour voters to vote for remaining in. As many labour/conservative voters went to leave - he's basically being blamed for poor leadership and not doing enough during the referendum. The reason Lavour voters swung is the same reason Conservative voters swung - MP's are out of touch with the feelings of what they electorate want.

If you want the honest truth - ever since Corbyn has been elected to lead the labour party - everyone especially the Blairites/Media have almost from day 1 - tried to get him removed or to step down. He hasn't even been able to do an as effective job as he otherwise may have done because of all the constant attempts to get him removed.

The reason they want him removed is because unlike his parliamentary colleagues he has integrity, has refreshing ideas that are deemed dangerous by those within the labour party & elsewhere - and I think it's also a concerted effort to try to win an election rather than retain integrity/ideals that every labour MP should also hold. What labour fail to realize - especially the Blairites is that they have contributed to the decline of the Labour party. It has very little to do with Corbyn and he's only been on the job a year.

It's a very sad day for democracy when MP's are attempting to be subversive and from the get-go have tried remove a democratically elected labour leader that was voted by a majority of Labours members and still do this day enjoys the majority of Labour members support - as well as very staunch support among the youth including myself. Yet you have a good amount of Labour MP's that don't give two fucks about the electorate that voted him in - otherwise they wouldn't be trying to get rid of him. I mean this is partially the reason why Labour is on the decline - MP's not listening to the wish of Labour members & their electorate.

I'd love for them to hold another election within the Labour party because I'm pretty sure Corbyn will again receive most of the vote like last time. I fear though that most of these MP's will not respect the vote and again will probably do their best to get rid of him.

In all honesty - Labour MP's that are contributing to this internal strife and were attempting to do so without holding a Labour election like Hilary Benn and Co are the problem with Labour. If their was any justice - they'd be purged from the Labour party.

I think it's also playing into the hands of the opposition (it's being done purposely I feel) - who are probably already talking about Brexit proposals and on the other end you have a Labour party with internal conflict issues that is barely involved with Brexit proposals because of all the internal strife. It's as though it's been orchestrated.

i rarely comment here but this pretty much explains it perfectly, any excuse to fuck him over.
i think there will be a new leadership election , and if they dont move the goalposts he will win again
benn's 0ld man must be rolling in his grave

 

[Rod1]

You seem upset


Let me break it for you, while Leave already knew the process to leave the EU will be a long one, they would like to see things move faster because they don't want to give the EU and Eu supporters a chance to figure out a way to ignore the vote and stay in anyway which I know would give you a big boner at night. Maybe if you remain supporters were as informed about this BEFORE the vote and actually got off your ass and voted, this wouldn't be a problem. Then again, you aren't even from the UK so you bitter opinion means fuck all to begin with.

Really? so you ignore Boris Johnson saying that the UK shouldnt rush things? is Boris Johnson a remainer now?

The issue is that when article 50 is invoked a 2 year time limit is set, the UK politicians dont want to negotiate with a time limit, so they can drag their feet, the EU wants stability and as such want to negotiate with a time limit.

 

[Arkain2K]

Boris Johnson Quits Race to Succeed David Cameron as Prime Minister

“Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in Parliament I have concluded this person cannot be me,” Johnson told a news conference in London on Thursday, shortly before the noon deadline for nominations expired.

One week after Britain voted to leave the EU in a shock break with a half-century of postwar alignment, the country remains in a state of political limbo. Cameron quit but is staying on until September, the Labour opposition is in disarray and “Leave” campaigners who won the referendum have yet to announce detailed policies beyond an intention to “take back control.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...son-says-he-won-t-run-for-u-k-tory-leadership

 

[TheStruggle]

2 years is the time span that you have once you invoke article 50. Its not invoke article 50 and you are out. Article 50 is invoking negotiations that have 2 years limit to be sorted out.

So every second that passes moves the time limit for leaving to 2 years + the time between the present and that referendum.

Of course, you can't renegotiate deals overnight anyway, that's why the window is 2 years. The real hit the EU is going to experience is at least 5-10 years away and that's only if other nations don't back out.

 

[TheStruggle]

Really? so you ignore Boris Johnson saying that the UK shouldnt rush things? is Boris Johnson a remainer now?

By supporters I was talking about voters not BJ

 

[TheStruggle]

Sadly Farage failed in his many attempts to become a British MP