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BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

By supporters I was talking about voters not BJ

The voters for the most part are stupid (in any democracy in the world), not even first world democracies have sorted that out.

The voters were promised more money for the NHS and a UK without immigrants, of course its not going to happen without Britain refusing to deal with the EU, that would mean that they would need to work with every individual nation of the EU, which is quite frankly crazy.
 
Sadly Farage failed in his many attempts to become a British MP

Farage said David Cameron "has to go" and that the UK needs a "Brexit Prime Minister."

He added: "No, I don't want to be Prime Minister, I want to get Britain out of the EU — that's why I helped form UKIP. If I wanted to be Prime Minister, I wouldn't go down that route."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/nigel...-350-million-ad-campaign-was-a-mistake-2016-6

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Careful mate, you begins to sound awfully similar to the "Bregret" fools who did not take the most important British vote of this century seriously, which I'm sure you're not. I'm confident that every Sherdoggers who participated in our Brexit discussion threads and read all the critical facts neatly indexed these past four months fully understands the ramification of the Leave/Remain vote, and take it seriously, without regrets.

You think it's natural for people to change their mind on something this important in LESS THAN A WEEK after the vote. I personally think it's quite ridiculous to see headlines like these, to be honest:



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-bregret-leave-petition-second-remain-latest-will-we-leave-a7105116.h


You expressed concerns about the E.U's "undemocratic nature" by bringing up a list of ignored/overruled referendums, immediately after drawing up plans that your own government can do to ignore the will of your own people, in a 100% democratic vote less than a week ago? o_O

You Brits are quite the embodiment of living contradictions right now, aren't you? Are you for democracy or against democracy, really? :cool:

Your Prime Minister warned the voters repeatedly these past few months that "this is a Referendum, not a Neverendum", whatever the British people decide on June 23 is the path Britain will take. I hope British voters are educated enough to fully understood what that incredibly simple concept means.
i lurk in the war room for a chuckle every now and then, you really shouldnt sound so cocky judgjing by the absolute abortion that is american democracy, remember, glass houses and all that shit....
 
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Leading Brexit campaigner Boris Johnson won't run for Prime Minister
By Tim Hume, CNN
Thu June 30, 201

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London (CNN) Boris Johnson, one of the leading voices in the Brexit campaign and the man considered to be the favorite to replace outgoing Prime Minister David Cameron, delivered a bombshell Thursday when he announced he didn't want the job.

Living up to his reputation as a political maverick, the former London mayor outlined the demands of the role over the course of a lengthy speech in London and then said: "Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in Parliament, I have concluded that that person cannot be me."

The charismatic Conservative MP played a decisive role in the campaign to lead Britain out of the European Union -- an endeavor many saw as partly an effort to position himself as the future leader of the ruling Conservative Party, and of the country.

The announcement drew a stunned response across the UK and beyond. On social media, it was met with disbelief and anger.

Since the unexpected Leave vote sent the pound tumbling, hurt global markets and inspired renewed talk of Scottish independence, many have seen Britain as a casualty of Johnson's now-thwarted leadership ambitions.

"I am very surprised #BorisJohnson ran the campaign to get us out of the EU and didn't have the guts to re establish the country! Odd move," tweeted entrepreneur Mark Wright.





Labour MP Jo Stevens responded with disgust, describing Johnson as "narcissism personified."



CNN political contributor Robin Oakley said that "undoubtedly (people are) going to feel let down that he's not standing," adding that he had spoken to many people who had voted Leave due to the campaigning of Johnson, the larger-than-life former journalist.

"Something's gone badly wrong here," Oakley said, referring to the apparent split between Johnson and Justice Secretary Michael Gove, who had campaigned closely together in leading the Leave camp.

In a surprise move ahead of Johnson's announcement, Gove announced that he himself had decided to run for the leadership, after concluding that Johnson "cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead."

Gove, who was previously education secretary from 2010 to 2015, was the leading Leave campaigner within Cameron's Cabinet.

Johnson's decision means that five Conservative MPs will compete to replace Cameron, who announced his intention to resign after narrowly losing his campaign to persuade voters to remain in the EU in the national referendum last week.

They include three Cabinet ministers: Gove, Home Secretary Theresa May and Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb. Former defense secretary Liam Fox and Energy Minister Andrea Leadsom are also running.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/europe/uk-conservative-pm-candidates/index.html
 
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Reid asked whether Farage could now guarantee that £350 million would be returned to the National Health Service.

Farage said he couldn't.

"I would never have made that claim, and it's one of the mistakes the Leave campaign made and would be a guarantee I can never make," Farage said.

Reid and co-presenter Piers Morgan than challenged again that some people may have voted for Leave on the back of a misleading ad.

Farage said: "They made a mistake in doing that but what I can tell you is we have a nice feather bed ... We have a £10 billion a year, £34 million a day feather bed that is going to be free money we can spend on the NHS, on schools, or whatever it is."
 
Well of course i read that the young people bitching had like a 40% voter turnout while the elderly had a 70% voter turnout, considering how closed it was and with basic statistics, it seems that the remain camp was simply too lazy to go and vote instead of the people actually wanting to leave.

So the remainers are blaming the old guys for not being lazy bums while the leavers didnt really had a plan of what they were going to do if they won, which leads me to believe they just went contrarian for political purposes expecting to lose.
It's like everyone was caught by surprise. Almost comical.
 
Even if he did, he can't at the time he made that statement

Your statement was that you hoped Nigel Farage could step up for the job, which is rendered moot by the fact that he doesnt really wants to do that job.
 
Stung by a betrayal, former London mayor Boris Johnson ends bid to lead Britain
By Griff Witte
June 30, 2016



LONDON – It was a scene lifted from the scripts of Shakespeare – or perhaps a binge-watching session of House of Cards.

When Thursday morning broke, the transparently ambitious former mayor of London, Boris Johnson, was preparing to give the speech of his life – one that would vault him out of the political mayhem wrought by last week’s referendum on the European Union and straight to the job he had long sought: British prime minister.

But the man who was to be Johnson’s campaign manager had a different idea: Michael Gove, the bookish Justice Secretary who has repeatedly denied any aspiration to higher office, was getting ready to stick a dagger in Johnson’s chances, and twist.

By day’s end, Britain would be reckoning with yet one more betrayal in a political season full of them. This one stunned an already dazed nation, and left behind no doubt, if any had remained, that Britain is divided, directionless and leaderless as it prepares for a leap into the unknown of life outside the E.U.

Johnson, the mop-headed rogue who had been considered the odds-on favorite to take the keys to 10 Downing Street, has now been shunted to the sidelines of the contest to lead the Conservative Party and, by extension, the nation.

In his place, Gove will vie with Theresa May, the no-nonsense domestic security chief, for the privilege of running a country in the midst of an existential crisis. The current Prime Minister, David Cameron, has said he will step down by Sept. 9 after losing a failed “remain” campaign.

The narrowing of the field of likely winners to Gove and May leaves behind two candidates who are expected to drive an especially hard bargain with the E.U., meaning the country could be in for years of contentious and costly negotiations no matter who emerges.

Johnson had been seen as a possibly more pliant figure in those talks: Although he was the face of the campaign for “leave,” most observers thought he took that stand less from a sense of ideological conviction than from a barely concealed well of political opportunism.

In the days since the vote, he had already begun to walk back the promises of Brexit, signaling he would fold easily on immigration – the “leave” campaign’s signature issue.

It may have been that malleability that prompted Gove, a Brexit true-believer and the campaign’s intellectual architect, to undercut his ally. Or perhaps it was just Johnson’s legendary disorganization.



Either way, Gove struck like a bolt from the blue: Less than three hours before Johnson was to declare his candidacy, Gove emailed out a statement declaring that he had come “to the conclusion that Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead.”

Instead, Gove wrote, he would run for prime minister himself.

Gove, who has been nearly invisible since last Thursday’s vote, did not release any detailed vision for the country’s future, which he said would be unveiled “in the coming days.”

But the split in the pro-Brexit camp brought an immediate stampede of defections, with Johnson supporters abandoning their candidate in favor of a man who had been unceremoniously demoted to chief whip less than two years ago and who has long insisted he’s temperamentally unsuited for Britain’s top job.

Later in the morning, with the clock ticking down on a noon deadline to enter the fray, Johnson broke his silence with a speech that had all the makings of a campaign kickoff.

He boasted of his achievements as London mayor, and laid out a vision for making Britain a fairer and more prosperous society outside the E.U.

His supporters applauded lustily. But when Johnson came to what he called “the punchline,” he unleashed a stunner, saying that the country needed a leader to take it in a new direction but that “I have concluded that person cannot be me.”

The words brought tears to the eyes of his backers. But they also brought incredulity from critics, who wondered how he could simply walk away.

"Boris engineered the largest constitutional crisis in post-war history but won't even put his name forward to clear it up?" tweeted University of Manchester political scientist Rob Ford.

Gove’s decision to ambush Johnson also brought immediate recriminations from both men’s corners. Asked by the BBC about Gove, Johnson's father, Stanley, replied: "Et tu Brute' is my comment on that."

Gove backer Dominic Raab told the network that Johnson had been "cavalier" in his approach to the campaign. "We're picking a prime minister here to lead the country, not a school prefect," he said acidly.

Gove’s ambush of Johnson is just the latest in a string of betrayals at the highest reaches of British politics. Earlier this year, Johnson and Gove spurned Cameron, their friend and sparring partner since their days at Oxford, by campaigning for “leave.”



As the pro-Brexit camp splintered on Thursday, May presented herself as a unifying candidate for prime minister who, despite backing “remain,” could bring together the badly fractured Conservative Party.

She was introduced Thursday by Chris Grayling, a prominent Brexiteer, and described herself as the candidate best prepared for the tough talks ahead with E.U. leaders, having spent years wrangling with other European security chiefs as the country’s home affairs minister.

“I have not just done it. I’ve delivered on those negotiations,” she said.

Despite supporting “remain,” May said there would be no going back.

"Brexit means Brexit," she said. “The country voted to leave the European Union, and it is the duty of the government and of parliament to make sure we do just that.”

May was considered only a reluctant E.U. backer, with a long record of Euroskepticism and a hard line against mass immigration.

May would be the second female prime minister in British history, after Thatcher. May’s unsmiling public persona and hard-line conservative politics have drawn occasional comparisons to the Iron Lady.

Britain’s next prime minister will not be picked by the general public. Instead, he or she will be selected in a two-stage process within the ruling Conservative Party. First, the party’s members of Parliament will whittle the field — which includes a number of dark-horse candidates — down to two over the next two weeks. Then the party’s rank-and-file members will select the winner.

In addition to Gove and May, three other candidates were nominated on Thursday: Stephen Crabb, Liam Fox and Andrea Leadsom. All are considered long-shots.

Whoever emerges will take over from outgoing prime minister David Cameron on Sept. 9. Cameron has said he will not formally trigger Britain’s exit and will leave that task to his successor. Once that happens, the next prime minister will have two years to negotiate a new deal with the E.U.’s 27 remaining members.

Europe has already signaled that it will refuse to budge on likely British demands that the bloc relax its rules allowing freedom of movement for workers across national borders. European leaders say that if Britain wants access to the single market, it will have to accept free movement.

As the political winds shifted throughout Thursday, the pound swung between gains and losses. Overall it is down about 10 percent against the dollar compared to where it was before the referendum.

Britain’s political unrest has not been limited to the Conservatives

The internal warfare among Tories has been matched — and even exceeded — within the opposition Labour Party.



Pressure continued to build Thursday on party leader Jeremy Corbyn to resign following an ambivalent effort to rally party supporters to the pro-E.U. cause.

He has already lost an overwhelming vote of no-confidence among his Labour colleagues in Parliament, and he faced more defections on Thursday. Plans to mount a formal challenge, however, were put on hold because mutinous members suggested they did not want to compete with news coverage of Thursday’s meltdown across the aisle.

Even by the occasionally bloody standards of British political history, the past week has been especially laced with treachery.

“You couldn’t make it up,” Tory member of Parliament Nigel Evans told the BBC. “It makes the ‘House of Cards’ look like ‘Teletubbies.’ ”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c7476e-3df8-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_story.html
 
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May saying that forced repatriation of EU immigrants is on the table for discussion.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
T May has thrown into the mix the right of EU migrants currently in UK to stay here. Says negotiation with EU will determine this.

And I almost gave up hope on a Children of Men scenario.

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Now she's raised it, there'll be "problems" if she backs down later down the line.
 
What an utter shitshow. The worst game of hot potato ever. The voters in the U.K must be embarrased.

Apparently Boris has been pro-EU up until the announcement of the referendum, where he saw an opportunity to destabilize Cameron's rule in order to take his spot as PM. He then joined the leave campaign expecting it to fail, and now here he is, fucked by his own success.
He has now realized that no matter what he does, he is fucked. He already fucked over his voting base in London so they won't take him back, and he is now fucking over the people who voted leave. But he knows that he will be in charge of fucking over the entire country and splitting up the U.K if he becomes PM.

What a joke. A terrible joke. If I had been part of the leave campaign, I would just move to Nepal or something, under a new name. I feel very embarrased on their behalf.

This is like watching the far right Danish Peoples Party last election. They went ahead with their usual anti-immigration propaganda, and how the cowards in government allowed all these refugees in, and forming ghettos bla bla bla. Then to everyone's surprise, including themselves, they became the biggest party among the opposition to the then government. But lo and behold, they refused to take any minister posts, or be part of the government in any way. They certainly didn't want actual responsibilities.
 
Boris pulled out because he was stabbed in the back by Gove who withdrew his support and the votes in the Tory party that he has pledged to him and put himself in the frame instead. Given Boris has already fucked off the remain part of the party and various others who liked Cameron, he knew he could no longer win and so withdrew.
 
lool at Boris being betrayed. you gotta hand it to his spin people. Did a number on the people. there is no way he wanted to be a PM and be part of the mess thats waiting for the UK. Also there is no way he wanted to leave the EU and was shocked when they won
 
Britain’s FTSE 100 Recovers All Losses From Brexit


LONDON (Reuters) – Britain’s FTSE 100 erased all its post-Brexit losses on Wednesday fuelled by a late afternoon surge led by energy and financials shares.
The index closed at its highest level since April, finishing 3.6 percent higher, at 6,360.06 points.

The rise lifted it above last Thursday’s close of 6,338.10, posted before it slumped as much as 8.7 percent after Britain voted to leave the EU.

The UK midcaps index which comprises more domestically focused companies is still nearly 8 percent below its close before the vote.
 
What an utter shitshow. The worst game of hot potato ever. The voters in the U.K must be embarrased.

Apparently Boris has been pro-EU up until the announcement of the referendum, where he saw an opportunity to destabilize Cameron's rule in order to take his spot as PM. He then joined the leave campaign expecting it to fail, and now here he is, fucked by his own success.
He has now realized that no matter what he does, he is fucked. He already fucked over his voting base in London so they won't take him back, and he is now fucking over the people who voted leave. But he knows that he will be in charge of fucking over the entire country and splitting up the U.K if he becomes PM.

What a joke. A terrible joke. If I had been part of the leave campaign, I would just move to Nepal or something, under a new name. I feel very embarrased on their behalf.

This is like watching the far right Danish Peoples Party last election. They went ahead with their usual anti-immigration propaganda, and how the cowards in government allowed all these refugees in, and forming ghettos bla bla bla. Then to everyone's surprise, including themselves, they became the biggest party among the opposition to the then government. But lo and behold, they refused to take any minister posts, or be part of the government in any way. They certainly didn't want actual responsibilities.

What Michael Gove think is happening to Boris:

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What's really happening to Boris:


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Britain’s FTSE 100 Recovers All Losses From Brexit


LONDON (Reuters) – Britain’s FTSE 100 erased all its post-Brexit losses on Wednesday fuelled by a late afternoon surge led by energy and financials shares.
The index closed at its highest level since April, finishing 3.6 percent higher, at 6,360.06 points.

The rise lifted it above last Thursday’s close of 6,338.10, posted before it slumped as much as 8.7 percent after Britain voted to leave the EU.

The UK midcaps index which comprises more domestically focused companies is still nearly 8 percent below its close before the vote.

And in other news the UK has not actually left the EU, so its normal.
 
What an utter shitshow. The worst game of hot potato ever. The voters in the U.K must be embarrased.

Apparently Boris has been pro-EU up until the announcement of the referendum, where he saw an opportunity to destabilize Cameron's rule in order to take his spot as PM. He then joined the leave campaign expecting it to fail, and now here he is, fucked by his own success.
He has now realized that no matter what he does, he is fucked. He already fucked over his voting base in London so they won't take him back, and he is now fucking over the people who voted leave. But he knows that he will be in charge of fucking over the entire country and splitting up the U.K if he becomes PM.

What a joke. A terrible joke. If I had been part of the leave campaign, I would just move to Nepal or something, under a new name. I feel very embarrased on their behalf.

This is like watching the far right Danish Peoples Party last election. They went ahead with their usual anti-immigration propaganda, and how the cowards in government allowed all these refugees in, and forming ghettos bla bla bla. Then to everyone's surprise, including themselves, they became the biggest party among the opposition to the then government. But lo and behold, they refused to take any minister posts, or be part of the government in any way. They certainly didn't want actual responsibilities.
Boris fucked up big time.....tbh he underestimated the leave campaigns intelligence. They knew he joined to further his goals and didnt think they would win. He even tested the waters few weeks agi with an article saying even if UK leaves he would support free movement of workers in Europe, the same thing the leave voters are crying about. As soon as the leave won, it turned out he didnt have support within the people backing the leave campaign. This happens when you overestimate your intelligence and play games with people
 
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