BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

[Codger]

Carry on trading, beg German car bosses: Manufacturers demand Britain be allowed to continue trading with the EU without any barriers

German manufacturers last night demanded that Britain be allowed to continue trading with the EU without any barriers.
The car-making industry said punishing Britain makes no sense – and it called on the German chancellor to give the UK a favourable trade deal.
Eurosceptics have repeatedly argued it is not in the EU’s interests to bring in tariffs as the UK imports more from Europe than it exports, and any weakening of the British economy would also have a ripple effect on Europe.

Matthias Wissmann, of the German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA), said: ‘Even if many “experts” are competing to paint the worst possible scenario, now is the time for calmness.

Germany sells more cars to Britain than to any other country, with 810,000 exported last year

‘Every possible measure must be undertaken to enable the continued free movement of goods and services between the UK and the other EU countries. Following British departure from the EU, it will be in nobody’s interest to make the international flow of goods more expensive by erecting customs barriers between Britain and the European continent.’
Germany sells more cars to Britain than to any other country, with 810,000 exported last year, Mr Wissman said. And half of the 2.6million cars made in Britain last year were built by German-owned firms such as BMW, which runs Mini and Rolls-Royce.
Mr Wissman said: ‘We should do everything we can to ensure that this success story will be continued. Now it is up to Brussels to take action.’

 

[Codger]

I wonder why a guy from California USA is so butt hurt about the UK leaving the EU that he has to spend so much time, day after day, trawling the web for negative stories to post on an MMA forum?

Very odd.

 

[barehanded]

And Britain is to be 'properly diversified' as part of the same strategy deployed onto all Western nations with or without the EU by the looks of it.

That's why it makes no sense to blame EU exclusively for this diversification process. Political elites is Western countries are pushing it, while some other EU members are opposing it. Some people here are deluding themselves into believing that UK will now be safe from mass immigration, while EU will be overrun by hordes of immigrants. But the truth is that even these Brexit supporters in the UK can't even promise to stop the immigration. They can only hope to stop the immigration from EU, which means less Poles and other Eastern Europeans, but has very little to do with non-European immigration from their former colonies.

It's also far from truth that EU can just force its members to become part of some kind of superstate and accept Turkey. Turkey would need to meet criteria for membership, which would take at least few decades even if they start to work on it tirelessly right now. But they don't seem to care much about the whole process. And even then, all members would need to agree, which is a science fiction. If all members would accept it than nobody would be to blame but the peoples of Europe that elected their governments.

What is not out of the realm of possibility is creating some kind of confederation with common army and currency. But also, this is a possibility only if all members agree about it. Even the right-wing Polish politicians are contemplating about it, but only if this would be a confederation of nation states. This way, Western nations could diversify themselves as much as they want, while Poland and some others could remain homogeneous. EU members would have more sovereignty than they have now, but would also be stronger and more united when dealing with other global players. They also want EU to deal with migration more efficiently and secure external borders. If not, then more EU members could leave the union, just like Orban said.

Creating a stronger, united Europe of nation states would be a good thing. But if Germany and France would try to create Europe of melting pot regions, then EU would commit suicide. EU summit in Bratislava could be a breaking point, there is still a chance to make something better out of EU, but the time is ticking away.

 

[TheStruggle]

I wonder why a guy from California USA is so butt hurt about the UK leaving the EU that he has to spend so much time, day after day, trawling the web for negative stories to post on an MMA forum?

Very odd.

I know a lot for liberals from CA who are butthurt by Brexit because this means that the UK can control the borders to a country that they don't live in #Racists

 

[Bilbo Gaggins]

This is very sad. Think about how many soldiers died in those wars, so that their children and grandchildren would grow up in a Britain that was not occupied by Germans.

And now, their very descendants want to sign away their country, government powers, and bank of England to a foreign union that is spearheaded by the very people their forefathers fought. And it's not even to avoid going to war, but rather because they're afraid they'll lose some money. We've failed to parent these generations.

It is very sad how these ancestors were complicit in the forming of the NWO elite and no longer deserve the right to participate in our society.

 

[Victor Maitland]

Theresa May is saying the signing of the document to cancel our membership of the Lisbon treaty is gonna be delayed until next year. It was promised that it would have been signed this tuesday by Ca-moron.
This is confirmation that delaying tactics will be used and the vote result ignored. In about 4 years time we will still be in the EU and the voters will have been screwed.

 

[TheStruggle]

Theresa May is saying the signing of the document to cancel our membership of the Lisbon treaty is gonna be delayed until next year. It was promised that it would have been signed this tuesday by Ca-moron.
This is confirmation that delaying tactics will be used and the vote result ignored. In about 4 years time we will still be in the EU and the voters will have been screwed.

And people will continue to defend the EU

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

It is very sad how these ancestors were complicit in the forming of the NWO elite and no longer deserve the right to participate in our society.

How were they complicit? Do explain please.

 

[Arkain2K]

I wonder why a guy from California USA is so butt hurt about the UK leaving the EU that he has to spend so much time, day after day, trawling the web for negative stories to post on an MMA forum?

Very odd.

I know a lot for liberals from CA who are butthurt by Brexit because this means that the UK can control the borders to a country that they don't live in #Racists

Take a look at page 1, then feel ashamed that you'd even made such an idiotic post.

He spent so much time putting these discussions together, kept them organized, and offer balance when either side start spewing outright lies (the latest being "The E.U is not letting us leave!" and "the E.U is freezing out the U.K from doing business in Europe!"), because he's a far better WR contributor than you ingrates would ever be.

Don't be angry because the bullshit from "your side" got called out, or the latest news update isn't on "your side".

Things are a little bit different on here than the Leave/Remain traveling circus in Britain, you see. We actually call out the lies from both camps, not parroting them, and we all takes turn contributing the latest news developments, as long as it's relevant to the subject matter, without taking special consideration to see if it's "positive" or "negative" to anyone's side.

That's the advantage of being able to look at Brexit with a neutral point of view: we're not emotionally-invested in any politicians in this picture, we do not swear allegiance to either camps throughout their campaign, nor are we compelled to defend them at all costs, the way you do.

Now go on, feel free to continue your participation, but do keep in mind that Important Notice in the OP the next time you feel like straying from the topic of discussion.

 

[TheStruggle]

Take a look at page 1, then feel ashamed that you'd even made such an idiotic post.

Page 1 doesn't take away from anything I said

 

[Higus]

I read that Borris Johnson isn't running for PM. I don't know how to interpret that as anything other than not wanting to be responsible for cleaning up the mess he helped make.

 

[Rod1]

Theresa May is saying the signing of the document to cancel our membership of the Lisbon treaty is gonna be delayed until next year. It was promised that it would have been signed this tuesday by Ca-moron.
This is confirmation that delaying tactics will be used and the vote result ignored. In about 4 years time we will still be in the EU and the voters will have been screwed.

Because the politicians that you elected have absolutely no spine.

EU is calling for you to invoke article 50 ASAP and you are claiming the EU is at fault of your politicians ignoring the popular vote?

Democracy has failed.

 

[TheStruggle]

Because the politicians that you elected have absolutely no spine.

EU is calling for you to invoke article 50 ASAP and you are claiming the EU is at fault of your politicians ignoring the popular vote?

Democracy has failed.

I don't think anyone is saying Cameron isn't a cuck as well.

 

[MeatheadMike]

 

[Rod1]

I don't think anyone is saying Cameron isn't a cuck as well.

Cuck? Its not like the EU is saying "Stay or else" its actually saying "Leave as fast as possible so that we can move on".

Your politicians are spineless this is 100% in the British court and you are all playing like shit, claiming the evil EU is trying to ignore the popular vote. When the EU is the one saying leave at this point.

And of course its hell, because quite frankly the vast majority of Brits wanted to stay, but it seems they are a bunch of lazy bums, that the moment they heard that the remain side was winning, they said "fuck it, im not wasting an hour of my life to go and vote in the most important decision of the last few decades. Its already won, the polls say it right?"

 

[TheStruggle]

Cuck? Its not like the EU is saying "Stay or else" its actually saying "Leave as fast as possible so that we can move on".

Your politicians are spineless this is 100% in the British court and you are all playing like shit, claiming the evil EU is trying to ignore the popular vote. When the EU is the one saying leave at this point.

And of course its hell, because quite frankly the vast majority of Brits wanted to stay, but it seems they are a bunch of lazy bums, that the moment they heard that the remain side was winning, they said "fuck it, im not wasting an hour of my life to go and vote in the most important decision of the last few decades. Its already won, the polls say it right?"

I'm not disagreeing with you, I think people are finally waking up and seeing that politicians truly don't have their best interests in mind. Also for the Remain side, everyone including the news and oddsmakers was telling them they had already won probably in a effort to suppress the LEAVE vote but it actually backfired.

 

[Thames]

Yup, they are going to try to rush this integration before movements from other nations to disolve the union can gain traction. Should be an interesting race. The EU turned totoletarion far more quickly then I would have imagined.

What a bunch of cheap bullshit. You sound like an edgy high schooler, trying to use his limited coginitive abilities on complex political subjects.

First step in this high school thesis should be for you to answer - Who are "they"?

You also have to laugh at the notion of including Turkey, I swear these fucking morons exist in a completely different reality. They are going to have freedom of movement with an integrated Islamic state? Are they fucking insane?

The projecting is off the charts, since I have never seen anyone be as opposed to reality as you are.
This mythological "they" is not fucking insane. There is no notion of including Turkey, never has been, and no reason to believe there ever will be. Learn to separate Daily Mail articles and political symbolic gestures from serious political analysis. That would be a huge step for you, towards living in reality with the rest of us. If you even want that?

Sounds pretty fucked

You will find that what most @Awesomesauce posts, sounds "pretty fucked". This is not because he is able to see difficult truths, it's rather because he is delusional. And that is on every single subject I have seen him comment on.
It's quite fascinating, and a bit worrisome. I'm suprised I haven't seen him make a thread about flat earth theory yet.

 

[dontsnitch]

CNN being as objective as always. What happened to Amanpour?

 

[TheStruggle]

CNN doesn't even try to hide their bias anymore, they use to be able to say "At least we weren't Fox News or MSNBC"

 

[Thames]

After Brexit, the race is on to replace London as Europe’s startup capital

http://qz.com/717626/after-brexit-the-race-is-on-to-replace-london-as-europes-startup-capital/

This is actually a very big deal, that I'm glad the media is finally putting some attention to.
The reasoning behind its importance is a somewhat heavy subject, since it requires a bit higher understanding of EU regulation, than the usual media EU subjects.

In short this is because of England's very business friendly laws, which e.g. sets very low requirements (if any) for start up capital and other administrative burdens, compared to other european nations. And because EU law dictates, that what has been accepted in one member state as a legal personality, must be accepted to the same degree in all other member states, companies can start up their company in the U.K, and then operate through subsidiaries in the rest of the EU.
I touched upon that concept (the mutual acceptance of products and companies between member states) in greater detail in this post: http://forums.sherdog.com/posts/117641589/

And I also touched upon the subject of companies primary seat in my initial post on the subject here:
http://forums.sherdog.com/posts/116026613/