BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

[TheStruggle]

Anyone that follows markets knows the stock slide and the currency decline isn't a big deal. Big swings happen from speculators every time a big global event happens. They'll recover and go back to normal over time.

What no one seems to be talking about is that the Euro itself is facing a systemic crisis. If member states can be allowed to just leave like the UK is doing, it's completely unstable over the long-term. Not to mention, the PIGS debt are a ticking-time bomb that everyone knows is going to explode but just hope it's during the next guy's term. Both of these are going to destroy the Euro.

That's because the EU is in bigger trouble than the UK

 

[Bald1]

Anyone that follows markets knows the stock slide and the currency decline isn't a big deal. Big swings happen from speculators every time a big global event happens. They'll recover and go back to normal over time.

What no one seems to be talking about is that the Euro itself is facing a systemic crisis. If member states can be allowed to just leave like the UK is doing, it's completely unstable over the long-term. Not to mention, the PIGS debt are a ticking-time bomb that everyone knows is going to explode but just hope it's during the next guy's term. Both of these are going to destroy the Euro.

Who else is looking to leave? I keep reading vague references to PIGS but haven't read anything substantial. I know there's grumblings coming from various countries about the need for change in the open door policy Merkel is hell bent on imposing, yet that doesn't mean a lot. Then again that's my main point of interest, so maybe I've overlooked something that isn't included under that "umbrella ".

 

[TheStruggle]

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Who else is looking to leave? I keep reading vague references to PIGS but haven't read anything substantial. I know there's grumblings coming from various countries about the need for change in the open door policy Merkel is hell bent on imposing, yet that doesn't mean a lot. Then again that's my main point of interest, so maybe I've overlooked something that isn't included under that "umbrella ".

Itlay and France would be the two big ones, possibly Spain as well. the question are they ready to pull away from the EU

 

[Rod1]

It's exactly the same process as the Benelux coal and steel alliance -> EEC -> EC -> EU it just is less far advanced in North America than in EUrope.

And catcalling is just like full blown rape with a weapon, except far less advanced.

 

[Rod1]

They are already looking at ways to stop the Brexit. The world is showing us how much our votes don't matter and we are basically slaves.

By urging the UK to get the fuck out as soon as possible the world is actually trying to prevent the UK from leaving the EU right?

People hate uncertainty, they didnt want the UK to leave because it shakes the certainty of the world order, so now that the UK voted to leave the best way to ensure certainty is that the UK leaves as soon as possible.

Seriously at this point the UK looks pathetic by trying to delay article 50

 

[Falsedawn]

I have a really hard time believing that story. What mentally sane person would legitimately vote for something they never wanted in the first place? I absolutely hate Canada's Justin Trudeau and there is no way I would vote for him thinking, "I hate Justin Trudeau and do not want to see him as PM, but I will vote for him anyway because he probably won't get voted in." Something about that story feels a little strange to me. It reeks of bullshit.

Surprise surprise, atheist has never heard of a protest vote. Lololol

 

[superpunch]

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Who else is looking to leave? I keep reading vague references to PIGS but haven't read anything substantial. I know there's grumblings coming from various countries about the need for change in the open door policy Merkel is hell bent on imposing, yet that doesn't mean a lot. Then again that's my main point of interest, so maybe I've overlooked something that isn't included under that "umbrella ".

When the ticking time bomb debt problem starts to turn into a crisis, countries are going to line up to get out of the union.

It's going to be a situation where the last sucker left gets to pay the bill.

That's several years into the future but it's hard for me to imagine it not happening like that.

 

[BVG]

I have a British friend on facebook who keeps posting racists videos of White British people verbally non whites...

Going off about how the attitude has become almost nazi-like.

They have a right to be angry...they have a right to ask that some of those that have entered be removed.

But I'm not for a white supremacist movement.

These are some of the links he's been spamming...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-r...racist-display-at-sunderland-school-1-7983936

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/...hrown-into-walsall-store/#QjMsTz1ho9Qo02OR.99

I'm not sure what the fuck is happening over there...I don't live their and the news is liberal(globalist) leaning over here.

 

[Arkain2K]

By urging the UK to get the fuck out as soon as possible the world is actually trying to prevent the UK from leaving the EU. People hate uncertainty, they didnt want the UK to leave because it shakes the certainty of the world order, so now that the UK voted to leave the best way to ensure certainty is that the UK leaves as soon as possible.

Seriously at this point the UK looks pathetic by trying to delay article 50

Instead of invoking Article 50 and get out as soon as possible like the E.U asks, the U.K's leaderships are back-pedalling hard to find a way to stop Brexit:

UK leaders scramble to stop Brexit being Brexit after all
June 29, 2016

Only a day after the popular will was said to be paramount, British Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt hinted at a way for the United Kingdom to remain part of the European Union – even as he prefaced his comments with “the people have spoken – and Parliament must listen.”

“We did not vote on the terms of our departure,” said Hunt. “It is now imperative we are clear-headed about what deal we need as a country and what our plan is to get there.”

Hunt’s plan, now being discussed in various forms within the shell-shocked, warring Labour Party as well as the triumphantly pro-EU Scottish National Party, rests on the view that the people cannot be said to have properly spoken until they know what the deal with the EU will be.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZF222

And yet we have some class-A idiots on Sherdog who, incredibly, still insists that it is "the world" who is preventing the U.K from leaving.

Come on guys, don't you know the more feet-dragging you do, the less leverage you have at the negotiation table because they know you're bluffing?

 

[Rod1]

When the ticking time bomb debt problem starts to turn into a crisis, countries are going to line up to get out of the union.

It's going to be a situation where the last sucker left gets to pay the bill.

That's several years into the future but it's hard for me to imagine it not happening like that.

Isnt that debt like superb low interest to begin with? certainly the EU will need to move on, probably going to get stricter on a lot of things and now that the UK has left its more likely Germany will be able to carry out its economic agenda with less resistance.

I dont know how crazy Merkel is but if it wasnt for immigration she could very well create the 4th reich now.

 

[lfd0311]

I have a British friend on facebook who keeps posting racists videos of White British people verbally non whites...

Going off about how the attitude has become almost nazi-like.

They have a right to be angry...they have a right to ask that some of those that have entered be removed.

But I'm not for a white supremacist movement.

These are some of the links he's been spamming...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-r...racist-display-at-sunderland-school-1-7983936

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/...hrown-into-walsall-store/#QjMsTz1ho9Qo02OR.99

I'm not sure what the fuck is happening over there...I don't live their and the news is liberal(globalist) leaning over here.

I'm pretty sure the EU forced them to take on a whole bunch of Muslim immigrants that they didn't want to who have been causing all kinds of problems, just like in the rest of Europe.

 

[TheStruggle]

Instead of invoking Article 50 and get out as soon as possible like the E.U asks, the U.K's leaderships are back-pedalling hard to find a way to stop Brexit:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZF222

And yet we have some class-A idiots on Sherdog who, incredibly, still insists that it is "the world" who is preventing the U.K from leaving.

Come on guys, don't you know the more feet-dragging you do, the less leverage you have at the negotiation table because they know you're bluffing?

No one has said that the UK doesn't have people in bed with globalists, why do you think Cameron resigned?

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Rational Poster]

Never been a big fan of Cameron, but damn.

He just pulled off the most epic political kamikaze attack of all time. He gave the opposition what they were asking for on a platter and dipped out. Now they don't know what the fuck to do with it.

He can probably come back from this eventually, he's still a young guy.

The more this progresses it seems more like an extension of Cameron and Boris's rivalry than either of them actually giving a fuck about either side of this issue.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Surprise surprise, atheist has never heard of a protest vote. Lololol

It was predicted numerous times that the vote was going to be extremely close. If someone was dumb enough to vote Leave without really wanting to Leave they deserve the consequences they will face.

 

[Hard To Tell]

I have a British friend on facebook who keeps posting racists videos of White British people verbally non whites...

Going off about how the attitude has become almost nazi-like.

They have a right to be angry...they have a right to ask that some of those that have entered be removed.

But I'm not for a white supremacist movement.

These are some of the links he's been spamming...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-r...racist-display-at-sunderland-school-1-7983936

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/...hrown-into-walsall-store/#QjMsTz1ho9Qo02OR.99

I'm not sure what the fuck is happening over there...I don't live their and the news is liberal(globalist) leaning over here.

Always going to be idiots but the corporate media are clearly pushing a narrative to smear the leave supporters and supress any anti-EU, anti-globalist, anti-establishment sentiment. It's the same routine whenever there's an Islamic terror attack, report that Muslim are now the victims of increasing racist hate crime, when the truth is you could easily find such uncommon, isolated incidents and portray them as being rampant at any time if you wanted to

It's just more propaganda to keep people scared, paranoid and at each others throats.

But for some balance, just look at this from the pro EU ralley in London

 

[IDL]

It's exactly the same process as the Benelux coal and steel alliance -> EEC -> EC -> EU it just is less far advanced in North America than in EUrope.

Yeah it's pretty much a decade further behind than the EU but the process is very similar. People have been warning about a NAU for decades now.

This is a big reason (There are several) the US Southern border is left relatively open and mass migrations (often illegal) is useful to the politicians. The US and Mexico merging demographically helps erase the border.

 

[whougonnacall]

I'm pretty sure the EU forced them to take on a whole bunch of Muslim immigrants that they didn't want to who have been causing all kinds of problems, just like in the rest of Europe.

Its free movement of peoples
The problem with brexit is most of the trade deals the uk wants with the eu will involved accepting that....literaly removing the only +ve with the brexit movement in the first place!

 

[IDL]

Its free movement of peoples
The problem with brexit is most of the trade deals the uk wants with the eu will involved accepting that....literaly removing the only +ve with the brexit movement in the first place!

Brexit is a lot more than simply immigration policy.

It is about sovereignty in general and trying to get out from underneath the massive bureaucracy operating on foreign soil. The EU is like a pink soviet union.

 

[lfd0311]

Its free movement of peoples
The problem with brexit is most of the trade deals the uk wants with the eu will involved accepting that....literaly removing the only +ve with the brexit movement in the first place!

That isn't "free movement of peoples". This isn't an ISIS thread, what are you doing in here?