BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

[Hard To Tell]

I'd say the girl that video is a rather fair representation of the Remain campaign. Idealistic, parrots rhetoric and slogans while failing to provide legitimate facts, wants to open the borders to anyone and everyone and worries about having to work hard.

She certainly is attractive even with the strange make-up and goggles on her head.

Unfortunately lots of young people are as clueless as she is. The funniest parts are how she thinks the EU is responsible for the NHS and then goes on about now having to pay to travel to France. I mean did she think it was free before? She must think 'free movement of people' is literal, you just get on plane and go anywhere in the EU free of charge. lmfao.

Saying that though, would smash.

 

[Rod1]

There clearly is a media driven narrative to this yes, they are CONSTANTLY bombarding the public with images and stories of racist leave voters. One would have to believe that either most of the people who voted to leave are racist, or the media is being biased. One quick examination of social media shows that the remain side has a far greater volume of bigots. Its clearly not even close, which is in direct opposition to the media's portrayal. A media that with virtual unanimity backed remain.

There is a media narrative to everything that will reach viral status.

And of course the media backed remain, anyone with a brain realized that remain was the only option given to the table considering there was not ever a single alternative to the EU that wasnt founded on lies.

Virtually all the campaign promised have "been a mistake" and there is no plan from UKIP or anyone on what actually does the UK wants to do right now.

 

[Rod1]

Unfortunately lots of young people are as clueless as she is. The funniest parts are how she thinks the EU is responsible for the NHS and then goes on about now having to pay to travel to France. I mean did she think it was free before? She must think 'free movement of people' is literal, you just get on plane and go anywhere in the EU free of charge. lmfao.

Saying that though, would smash.

Clearly all remain people are stupid SJW just like all leave people are racist old men right?

 

[IDL]

tighter borders were really the only real selling point of brexit
The soveriegnty argument is thin air the 100 or so trade treaties that will replace eu membership (which pretty much was the same thing) will amount to the same shit or more likely worse

The far right may get slightly weaker worker rights and the city less regulations to be more of a banking wild west rolling towards the next bailout (ie the real reason they pushed to leave the eu..not 'soveriegnty')
But wtf does the adverage person get as a plus for those negatives?
if everything stays the same and the borders still bleed and now the rich get to fuck us harder what was the point again?

I was speaking more to the reasons why people would want to exit the EU, regardless of opinions on how things will turn out on various aspects.

I understand the main stream narratives were pushed largely as a migration issue but that is a dumbed down equation because there is obviously more to it.

The EU itself is dominated by banking interests so I don't know if a Brexit was pushed by the banking establishment. Maybe, but either way the 'real' reasons vary by groups, individuals, etc and are open to speculation. For the average citizen, a desire for sovereignty and a love of ones own country is and always has been part of the human condition. As has resistance to foreign takeover.

I agree though that probably not much will change. The UK is still dominated by private internationalist powers and has been for a long time. These powers are very active in promoting open borders and globalization so it's not like people should expect some big turn around. People can only hope in that regard.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

This aggressive CNN reporter goes full retard. She get more angry and aggressive as Mr. Hannan continues to ruin her "racism" narrative.

 

[TheStruggle]

Just Days After Brexit, EU Releases Plan For Further Expansion, An EU Army, AND Turkish Membership


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/29/european-leaders-release-plan-eu-army-turkish-membership/

 

[whougonnacall]

I was speaking more to the reasons why people would want to exit the EU, regardless of opinions on how things will turn out on various aspects.

The EU itself is dominated by banking interests so I don't know if a Brexit was pushed by the banking establishment. Maybe, but either way the 'real' reasons vary by groups, individuals, etc and are open to speculation. For the average citizen, a desire for sovereignty and a love of ones own country is and always has been part of the human condition.

I agree though that probably not much will change. The UK is still dominated by private internationalist powers as has been for a long time. These powers are vary active in promoting open borders and globalization so it's not like people should expect some big turn around. People can only hope in that regard.

Id say sovereignty was simply an empty buzzword to sell the exit
Overall this has always been a hardline tory dream for ages , ...to deregulate london into a mini switzerland lite and the rest a place where workers can be treated as serfs again without pesky worker rights

The only brightside was some sensible border controls...my pals a teacher and shes terrified of romany gypsy fights that kick off in her school over b.s clan nonsense she barely understands and is powerless to intervene in.
If the borders must stay open for trade id say it was a shitty deal just so some can pretend theres somehow more independence in all this

 

[TheStruggle]

So are we in a global recession like the media said would happen if the UK left the EU?

 

[Hard To Tell]

The 'old people have runied it for the youth' argument is also really starting to wear thin. Young people clearly weren't that bothered as 64% of them didn't even turn up to vote ffs.

 

[IDL]

This aggressive CNN reporter goes full retard. She get more angry and aggressive as Mr. Hannan continues to ruin her "racism" narrative.

Wow that's embarrassing for her. Clearly she has been given the regular marching orders and she's trying desperately to paint the establishment narratives.

 

[IDL]

Id say sovereignty was simply an empty buzzword to sell the exit
Overall this has always been a hardline tory dream for ages , ...to deregulate london into a mini switzerland lite and the rest a place where workers can be treated as serfs again without pesky worker rights

The only brightside was some sensible border controls...my pals a teacher and shes terrified of romany gypsy fights that kick off in her school over b.s clan nonsense she barely understands and is powerless to intervene in.
If the borders must stay open for trade id say it was a shitty deal just so some can pretend theres somehow more independence in all this

Maybe sovereignty was used as part of the campaign, but it is a real thing and has been a concern to people across the globe for all of human history. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this phenomenon.

And again I am with you in that realistically it doesn't mean much will change (that is TBD), but the notion of sovereignty is a good one. Brussels, Germany, and the private powers behind the EU, are not British loyalists and would undermine the UK in a heart beat 'for the greater good' (of their pockets).

When decisions are made closer to the people that affect them, they tend to be more accountable.

 

[TheStruggle]

This aggressive CNN reporter goes full retard. She get more angry and aggressive as Mr. Hannan continues to ruin her "racism" narrative.

But people still believe that the media isn't driving a narrative

 

[IDL]

But people still believe that the media isn't driving a narrative

The world makes so much more sense once the mass media is seen for what it is. The voice of the empire.

 

[JDragon]

The 'old people have runied it for the youth' argument is also really starting to wear thin. Young people clearly weren't that bothered as 64% of them didn't even turn up to vote ffs.

Admittedly..

 

[whougonnacall]

Maybe sovereignty was used as part of the campaign, but it is a real thing and has been a concern to people across the globe for all of human history. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this phenomenon.

And again I am with you in that realistically it doesn't mean much will change (that is TBD), but the notion of sovereignty is a good one. Brussels, Germany, and the private powers behind the EU, are not British loyalists and would undermine the UK in a heart beat 'for the greater good' (of their pockets).

When decisions are made closer to the people that affect them, they tend to be more accountable.

The same people who pushed this sold uk out under thatcher to any foriegn interest whod make a bid
The people who pushed for this did it for their pockets too...the same working class who voted for it will feel it the worst is the irony.

 

[Halge]

The 'old people have runied it for the youth' argument is also really starting to wear thin. Young people clearly weren't that bothered as 64% of them didn't even turn up to vote ffs.

By the time today's 25-year olds turn 50, most of them will be anti-EU as well.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

This aggressive CNN reporter goes full retard. She get more angry and aggressive as Mr. Hannan continues to ruin her "racism" narrative.

That was actually painful to watch.

 

[Strange Shadows]

maybe scotland should join the great american union

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

By the time today's 25-year olds turn 50, most of them will be anti-EU as well.

A man who has not been a socialist before 25 has no heart. If he remains one after 25 he has no head.—King Oscar II of Sweden

There's dozens of variations of this quote, but the message is the same. When you're young, you don't have that many priorities, and it's very easy to take liberal causes to heart. Once you have children, they become your focus and your political outlook changes with them.

 

[Xuh]

Id say sovereignty was simply an empty buzzword to sell the exit
Overall this has always been a hardline tory dream for ages ,

It's also been an old-school Labour dream for ages.

Just ask Corby

...to deregulate london into a mini switzerland lite and the rest a place where workers can be treated as serfs again without pesky worker rights

The 'serfs' have the ability to vote against people who would go down that route though.
Much moreso than they would in the EU superstate where their voices would be much smaller and much more easily ignored (hey, ask a Greek...)