Both Charlie Olives and Islam are Overrated Mega Thread

[Kryptt]

BJ Penn destroyed a prime Matt Hughes, went toe to toe with GSP, and fought Machida at heavyweight.

Fucking making me get on here and defend Baby Jay, ya goof. I don't believe you've even seen the man fight.



Fucking neophyte.

God damn I hate some of these fans. Just do anything to discredit fighters! Specially someone of such Legacy who gave us some of the best fights.

 

[ThePimblettEra]

Him and his fans are from a particular school of thought, where number of wins is far more important than anything else.
Including quality of opponent.

It is what it is.

 

[10000yearsold]

Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier or Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Makhachev deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

Bobby Green: Most overrated LW of all time probably

Dan Hooker: 2 fight losing skid, lost four of his last five

Thiago Moises: 2 fight losing skid, likely fighting for his job next month

Drew Dober: 11 career losses, just won his first fight in two years

Davi Ramos: Dude hasn't fought in over 2 years.

This is title shot worthy? Does anyone know who half these guys are?

Have you been living in a cave and just checked fight finder?
Nobody wants to fight him.
He only fought Green cause Dariush pulled out and all the rest of the top of the division is only interested in money fights and bonus brawls.

 

[LLLZZZ]

Islam is great, but it's odd to me how he has so much more push than someone like Arnold Allen, a guy who is basically in the same exact position as islam but in a different division.

arnold allen isnt as good as islam
arnold allen isnt khabibs friend
arnold allen doesnt have middle eastern audience

 

[Sticko]

Islam is great, but it's odd to me how he has so much more push than someone like Arnold Allen, a guy who is basically in the same exact position as islam but in a different division.

Arnold Allen only has one finish in the UFC though, right? He knocked out Hooker but aside from that I can't even remember offhand who else he has fought or when the last time he fought was.

ETA: Allen has one KO/TKO but two submissions

 

[13Seconds]

Lol. He's far from my favourite fighter but he's obviously very good. Islam vs Oliviera is one of the best fights to make in MMA right now.

Oliviera needs this win to cement his legacy as the greatest LW ever.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

You aren't doing Charlie any favours with this thread when Islam beats him
You will make a great champion look a bum, but then again that is what sherdog is known for

Perhaps we could give Islam Siver as a final eliminator??

 

[fortheo]

Arnold Allen only has one finish in the UFC though, right? He knocked out Hooker but aside from that I can't even remember offhand who else he has fought or when the last time he fought was.

True, but he wasn't on the wrong end of a highlight like this:

Fans just get behind certain fighters. I don't have a problem with it because Islam is great, I just find it odd how allen has done similar things in his division, yet you hear crickets when people bring him up.

 

[Athlas]

The OP is actually true, most sherbros unfortunately are too dumb to read. The OP was a criticism of his resume up until that point, idiots on this thread are jumping through hoops trying to imply it means it applies forever and ever. Lol.

FOH, you were hating on Charles yesterday with that trash thread you made about fighters missing weight.

 

[dragonsfly]

This is what I was talking about... Trashy fanbase.. certified duckers

Makhachev is actully the bookmakers favourite in a Charles Oliveira fight meaning Makhachev is the favourite in their potential upcoming fight hence his clearly better fighter then Charles for the time being but hey nothing is written in stone hence they will have to climb inside the octagon and charles could obviously shock the world..

But his a massive underdog against Makhachev and as a matter fact everyone is an underdog against Mackhachev and it has nothing to do with being overrated the guy is just elite

 

[Willie]

Dan Hooker would have been a much better win for Islam if he had been ranked #5 rather than #6. Because apparently top 5 wins are more important than everything.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

tell me who you think is good and i'll tear their resume apart in the exact same way.

This

I can even tear apart Muhamad Ali's boxing record if I want

Needed time to recover with the glove to beat Cooper

Floyd Patterson (chinny smaller ex champ)

Liston x2 very old at the time and rematch likely a dive

Frazier x2 Lost the first fight and Joe was likely damaged goods following foreman beating, plus swarmers like him age badly

Needed loose ropes to beat George, who was mentally damaged goods following the fight delay due to his cut

Ken Norton arguably lost all 3 fights

Lost to Leon Spinks a novice with 7 or 8 fights for the HW title

I am in no way shitting on Ali, who I rate as the greatest HW ever, but it is easy to pick holes in most records as the above shows

 

[moosaev]

FOH, you were hating on Charles yesterday with that trash thread you made about fighters missing weight.

Charles' unprofessional in missing weight is a completely separate topic.

 

[Soggust]

Let's wait until he's 38 years old and on a 22 fight winning streak to give him a title shot because he keeps getting ducked by the top 5.

 

[Alpha_T83]

The Islam/Khabib fans on this forum are at times unbearable. I'm just quietly waiting until Islam fights Charles, Gaethje, Ferguson, or Chandler.

 

[JoshR86]

Lol Islam isn't overrated, the LW division is overrated and has been for a long time.

Complaining about a fighters lack of top wins is moronic at this point, when fighters have become premadonnas and refuse to take high risk low reward fights against top quality low ranked opponents.

Hardest part of breaking into the top 5 is getting a top 5 fighter accepting a fight outside the top 5.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Say it with me, 10 wins in a row at lightweight. People have gotten shots for less. Another point is no one is really making shit competitive with him recently. Hes doing what he should be doing.

I think Chandler deserves the title shot more, but I wouldn't be horribly upset if Islam got his first. I agree that he's either #1 or #2 in line for the next title shot.

 

[13Seconds]

Islam is great, but it's odd to me how he has so much more push than someone like Arnold Allen, a guy who is basically in the same exact position as islam but in a different division.

That's a bit on Allen though. The guy is very inactive. Fights like once a year.

I don't remember Islam getting any push either when he was inactive. The real push came when he finished Dober and fought again months after. Then again months after that.

 

[The Old Guard]

Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier or Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Makhachev deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

Bobby Green: Most overrated LW of all time probably

Dan Hooker: 2 fight losing skid, lost four of his last five

Thiago Moises: 2 fight losing skid, likely fighting for his job next month

Drew Dober: 11 career losses, just won his first fight in two years

Davi Ramos: Dude hasn't fought in over 2 years.

This is title shot worthy? Does anyone know who half these guys are?

Islam doesn't deserve a title shot. A fight with Dariush makes sense.

 

[wisdom blows]

I dont think its how good he is right now, but his ceiling.

You want overrated? Khamzat.

Khamzat has beaten an elite fighter, Islam has beat who?