Both Charlie Olives and Islam are Overrated Mega Thread

[moosaev]

He’s established himself as an amazing grappler and good striker who is top 5. Stylistically, he’s the more likely to beat khabib than any other active fighter today.

Gaethje beat 2 weight cut tony and tony still had some great moments and his other wins really aren’t that impressive

Chandler has the best chance to beat Khabib imo. Olives would get absolutely slaughtered. You don’t beat Khabib by going strength on strength. Mma grappling is NOT Bjj grappling, and Khabib has been doing mma grappling for 18 yrs, he’ll make Olives look like a blue belt. As for striking, Khabib has defeated much better strikers than Olives. Chandler at least has the ace in the hole, which is his power. The only way to beat Khabib is to clip him and hurt him.

 

[ayaandirtyboy]

who is gaethjes best win?
Tony?
the guy is 5:3 in the ufc

 

[Ozze]

Can we talk about how TS is making shit up?

People hardly say he's on the level of Khabib & company. Just that he deserves a title fight.

He worked his way trough the rankings, so it's his turn.

 

[DivineMind]

I would love for him to train with Freddie Roach and go to Dagestan to train wrestling.

 

[MDoza]

Nah, he's rated about where he should be. He's been on a tear since returning to LW, and his ability to finish fights should not be overlooked.

Poirier is the uncrowned champion. Chandler and Gaethje are fighting each other for #1 contender. Oliveira is right behind them with his win over Ferguson.

 

[gotBooched]

He's good because of his winstreak, same reason why Khabib's 29-0 Record Matters, the only elite guys Khabib beat were Conor, Poirer and Gaetje.

Conor is not elite

 

[KoreanZawmbie]

I just don't get why people consider him in the class of Poirier, Gaethje or Khabib:

Khabib: demolished Conor, Poirier, and Gaethje, and Barboza

Gaethje: demolished Tony, Cowboy, Barboza, had incredibly competitive fights with Poirier and Alvarez

Poirier: beat Conor, Holloway, Gaethje, Alvarez, Hooker

Oliveira: beat a washed Tony, thats literally IT

Gaethje pretty much got thrown into the top 5 by beating T.Ferg who Olivera totally dismantled. More thoroughly I should add.

 

[Tohm]

I think he is a decent fighter, but I don't think he would ever become a remarkable champion if that happened.
It would be cool to see it happening because of everything that he has faced in his career and how much time it took for him to finally become a champion, similar to Jan. Despite that, I think he is not even close to someone like Khabib.

Also, I wouldn't bet on him against Poirier, Islam and Arman. Gaethje and Chandler? Maybe, but probably not.

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

He's a bit overrated in the sense that people think he can just walk through someone like Gaethje simply because Gaethje lacks BJJ.

Khabib had a tough time taking Gaethje down and ate a lot of hard kicks and punches. Oliveria isn't as good at TD's compared to Khabib, and I don't see him taking the shots Khabib did.

I also think his may have a questionable chin, or at least wilt under pressure. I think Dustin Poirier would slaughter him, and I think Conor could finish him as well (though Oliveria could also beat Conor, it's a 50/50 depending on who implements their gameplan first). Chandler I need to see more of under USADA (not accusing him, but the Hooker didn't show us anything special other than a good shot against a timid Hooker).

Oliveria's grappling is indeed great and if he implements his gameplan he can take out opponents relatively easily. Though it doesn't make sense to do so now given their rankings, I really want to see him against Islam.

 

[xhaydenx]

Bro, all the other guys above him either don't want the belt or are coming off losses. Gathje just lost. Conor just lost. Dustin supposedly wants Conor again instead of a title fight, etc.

That's why Oli is getting pushed. He's new blood at the top as well, which is always good.

And no Chandler doesn't have a better case for a title shot. His win over Hooker was nice, but that's all he has.

 

[Krushey]

Oli has looked great in his recent fights.

Oli vs Justin or Chandler for a true test of where he is.

Fuck this thread.

 

[Peli]

No he was definitely very skilled. Great offence on the feet and ground and very underrated defence

You don't have to lie to yourself. Watch the take. His pace and creativity would overwhelm guys.

I believe iirc he was dropped in his TUF fianle fight, came back and whup that guys ass.

 

[maximus__]

Stop it. Gaethje finished Tony and put him in the hospital. Olives decisioned Tony and Tony could've probably fought on another card the next week after fighting Olives.

Did you miss the part where Tony got saved by the bell at the end of the first. I know Tony would probably fight on with a broken arm, but that armbar was tight as shit. Tony is nuts, but that arm was going home with Charles. Nothing we saw in that fight makes me think Tony could beat him. Tony would have a chance against Gaethje if he used his wrestling and grappling earlier instead of brawling with a better brawler

 

[maximus__]

Stop it. Gaethje finished Tony and put him in the hospital. Olives decisioned Tony and Tony could've probably fought on another card the next week after fighting Olives.

Did you miss the part where Tony got saved by the bell at the end of the first. I know Tony would probably fight on with a broken arm, but that armbar was tight as shit. Tony is nuts, but that arm was going home with Charles. Nothing we saw in that fight makes me think Tony could beat him. Tony would have a chance against Gaethje if he used his wrestling and grappling earlier instead of brawling with a better brawler

 

[Peli]

I agree with you in the point that LW is the deepest weight class from a purely stand up point of view but when it comes to reall mma then the LW is super shallow!

this is why average mma fighters with decent ground game as charles, islam and others before have such an incredible success. styles make fights and if you are a grappler somewhere around the LW, just go for it, you are most probably already top 15 even without a fight.

What's the deepest division in the UFC?

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

I just don't get why people consider him in the class of Poirier, Gaethje or Khabib:

Khabib: demolished Conor, Poirier, and Gaethje, and Barboza

Gaethje: demolished Tony, Cowboy, Barboza, had incredibly competitive fights with Poirier and Alvarez

Poirier: beat Conor, Holloway, Gaethje, Alvarez, Hooker

Oliveira: beat a washed Tony, thats literally IT

Your logic makes no sense. Tony went from being this badass win for Gaethje to washed less than a year later?

Cowboy's something to brag about? But
Tony had already destroyed him so he's washed by the time he fought Gaethje. Barboza was destroyed by the overrated Kevin Lee so he's was washed as well when Gaethje beat him.

Facts are Oliveira record is reasonably close to Gaethje.

 

[llperez22]

Olivera has looked great both on the ground and on his feet. His win over tony was more impressive than justin's was imo although thats not saying a ton since both starched tony.

 

[Peli]

Olivera has looked great both on the ground and on his feet. His win over tony was more impressive than justin's was imo although thats not saying a ton since both starched tony.

Justin took took years off tony's career and life

 

[Peli]

Your logic makes no sense. Tony went from being this badass win for Gaethje to washed less than a year later?

Cowboy's something to brag about? But
Tony had already destroyed him so he's washed by the time he fought Gaethje. Barboza was destroyed by the overrated Kevin Lee so he's was washed as well when Gaethje beat him.

Facts are Oliveira record is reasonably close to Gaethje.

Moosaev had been saying Tony was in decline since before I joined this site

 

[Just Creed]

People have the wrong attititude about Du Bronx. It should be, why do so many top 10 fighters avoid him instead of why does he have so little top 10 wins. The OP is so obvious to me. No dount their post history will be full of obvious bait such as this