Both Charlie Olives and Islam are Overrated Mega Thread

[moosaev]

I agree. It just caught up to him. Skillset wise, he was never good, but you mix what he had with toughness, that's what made him elite. I don't see how Beating him now makes someone elite.




What happens if Dariush beats him which is a possibility? Dariush is overrated on this forum too. Dariush is bar brawler grappler. No defense on the feet, yet people were saying Khabib needed to stick around to face him, oliveira, and CDF to clean out the division lol. Are we going to propel Dariush into the elite picture, now? Come on now.

I'm fine with Oliveira's rank where it is. When you look at the other guys in the picture, like Conor, tony, it makes sense for him to be over them, but I'm not sold on him being a champion or really being elite.

IMO the worst outcome would be if Tony knocks out Dariush, which is possible because Dariush has probably the worst fight IQ of anyone at LW. I could definitely see Tony catching him with something. If that happens, then the Tony bandwagon will start all over again. That’s bad for Tony. He needs to think about hanging it up.

 

[Iron Nick]

To be fair some pea brained sherdogers do over rate him acting like hes the new GOAT or some shit . I remember after the Tony fight tons of people where saying he could beat Khabib an other dumb shit . He's good but hes still deeply flawed specifically with his head movement . I think Chandler , Gaethji , Dustin, Connor and others would demolish him . Of course losing to the best of the best in the UFC's deepest division dosnt make you a chump Olivera is still a beast but he is over rated by a lot of people on here in the strict sense .

Yeah i think this is fair.
I don't like it when it's worded like TS did it though, he makes it sound like Oliveira is some kind of journeyman, which he's of course not.

 

[Carrotman23]

Yeah i think this is fair.
I don't like it when it's worded like TS did it though, he makes it sound like Oliveira is some kind of journeyman, which he's of course not.

agreed he's definitely underestimating his record . Also "kevin Lee most over rated LW of all time" ... yea no, just no lol .

 

[SeattleFightFan]

I agree. It just caught up to him. Skillset wise, he was never good, but you mix what he had with toughness, that's what made him elite. I don't see how Beating him now makes someone elite.




What happens if Dariush beats him which is a possibility? Dariush is overrated on this forum too. Dariush is bar brawler grappler. No defense on the feet, yet people were saying Khabib needed to stick around to face him, oliveira, and CDF to clean out the division lol. Are we going to propel Dariush into the elite picture, now? Come on now.

I'm fine with Oliveira's rank where it is. When you look at the other guys in the picture, like Conor, tony, it makes sense for him to be over them, but I'm not sold on him being a champion or really being elite.

“Dariush is bar brawler grappler. No defense on the feet, yet people were saying Khabib needed to stick around to face him...”​

Good god. What the fuck sort of threads do you find yourself in lol

But he is another one. 6 fight win streak, 1 lower top 10 win (I think, didn’t confirm).

I guess the difference is how dominant Oliveira looks in his wins.

 

[Koro_11]

That only supports my argument though. All the beatings Tony took finally became apparent during the Gaethje and Olives fights. The overall point is the same, Tony was a shadow of who he was by the time Olives got to him.

Sure but then be consistent about it if that’s what you think. So if Charles Beat a very washed up version of Tony, then Justin only beat a slightly less washed up version of Tony.

Either both of their wins is great, or both of their wins are against a washout, ffs you can’t just downgrade a guy that much from one fight to the next lol.

 

[Joseph_McBride]

Going tooth and nail with Poirier and Alvarez factors into it as well. Do you really wanna go into Olives losses? It won't get pretty, but Gaethje has shown his class both in defeat and victory.

"Going tooth & nail" is nice way to say Gaethje lost 4 of 5 rounds before getting KO'd twice.

He's obviously not the same fighter now, & the same goes for Oliveira. You like to pick & choose who is allowed to improve & who isn't.

 

[Oblivian]

I like that people like you exist. Do you want to know why? It's because you can bet on him as an underdog in 3 of those 5 fights. Pretty much the opposite of overrated.

 

[Peli]

“Dariush is bar brawler grappler. No defense on the feet, yet people were saying Khabib needed to stick around to face him...”​

Good god. What the fuck sort of threads do you find yourself in lol

But he is another one. 6 fight win streak, 1 lower top 10 win (I think, didn’t confirm).

I guess the difference is how dominant Oliveira looks in his wins.

that's exactly what people bring up. The win streak. I say who has he fought, and they bring up CDF, and him fighting better opponents than Islam.

There's only one in this thead where he said Dariush could outpace Khabib based on what Dariush did to CDF

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/163697872/

IMO the worst outcome would be if Tony knocks out Dariush, which is possible because Dariush has probably the worst fight IQ of anyone at LW. I could definitely see Tony catching him with something. If that happens, then the Tony bandwagon will start all over again. That’s bad for Tony. He needs to think about hanging it up.

Tony is not going to quit, win or lose. He's too deluded. Someone will have to peel him away from the octagon.

 

[moosaev]

that's exactly what people bring up. The win streak. I say who has he fought, and they bring up CDF, and him fighting better opponents than Islam.

There's only one in this thead where he said Dariush could outpace Khabib based on what Dariush did to CDF

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/163697872/


Tony is not going to quit, win or lose. He's too deluded. Someone will have to peel him away from the octagon.

Agreed, only way he leaves is when Dana eventually cuts him. And he’s crazy enough to sign with BKFC after that, which would be disastrous.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Gaethje didn't demolish Tony, he gradually took over a fight that started out competitive, great win though. Oliveira dominated every second of their fight.

No Oliveira is trash and Ferguson is a geriatric, didn't you read the OP???

 

[MigitAs]

I just don't get why people consider him in the class of Poirier, Gaethje or Khabib:

Khabib: demolished Conor, Poirier, and Gaethje, and Barboza

Gaethje: demolished Tony, Cowboy, Barboza, had incredibly competitive fights with Poirier and Alvarez

Poirier: beat Conor, Holloway, Gaethje, Alvarez, Hooker

Oliveira: beat a washed Tony, thats literally IT

What about FKL???!?

 

[moosaev]

“Dariush is bar brawler grappler. No defense on the feet, yet people were saying Khabib needed to stick around to face him...”​

Good god. What the fuck sort of threads do you find yourself in lol

But he is another one. 6 fight win streak, 1 lower top 10 win (I think, didn’t confirm).

I guess the difference is how dominant Oliveira looks in his wins.

The thing is Oliveira didn’t look all that dominant against Kevin Lee. He was controlled on the ground and KL gassed in typical fashion. Don’t get me wrong I think he’s a way better fighter than Lee, but the idea that Olives has been steamrolling everyone isn’t exactly true.

 

[blaseblah]

Tony Ferguson: I think everyone agrees he's washed and Olives picked the bones off the carcass that Gaethje already ate

You're only saying this because Oliveira dominated him. Tony was ranked 2nd in the division before the fight.

 

[moosaev]

What about FKL???!?

Most overrated LW in ufc history.

 

[moosaev]

You're only saying this because Oliveira dominated him. Tony was ranked 2nd in the division before this.

I’m definitely not the only one saying this lol. What rock do you live under? Half the forum concluded that he was washed.

 

[blaseblah]

I’m definitely not the only one saying this lol. What rock do you live under? Half the forum concluded that he was washed.

Provide your post before the fight saying that or stfu

 

[blaseblah]

Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier of Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Olives deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

The UFC is big on anyone who gives them more leverage/options to squeeze the folks that the fans *really* wanna see. Nobody gives a shit about Chandler. People wanna see Poirier, Conor, Ferguson, Gaethje and the folks who have some following. Only die hards know who Chandler is. Fuck him he hasn’t earned shit.

You were shitting on Chandler a few months ago, now you're on his tip. Sit down child.

 

[moosaev]

You were shitting on Chandler a few months ago, now you're on his tip. Sit down child.

I already said in this very thread that I can’t stand Chandler lmao. You’re acting like this is a gotcha. Move along dipshit. Clearly a butt hurt Olives fan.

 

[BBobb]

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Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier of Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Olives deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

Tony Ferguson: I think everyone agrees he's washed and Olives picked the bones off the carcass that Gaethje already ate

Kevin Lee: Most overrated LW of all time probably, lost 3 of his last 4.

Nick Lentz: 3 fight losing skid, already lost to Islam Makachev before Olives got the sloppy seconds

Jared Gordon: lol, no comment

David Teymur: Dude hasn't fought in over 2 years.

He’s established himself as an amazing grappler and good striker who is top 5. Stylistically, he’s the more likely to beat khabib than any other active fighter today.

I just don't get why people consider him in the class of Poirier, Gaethje or Khabib:

Khabib: demolished Conor, Poirier, and Gaethje, and Barboza

Gaethje: demolished Tony, Cowboy, Barboza, had incredibly competitive fights with Poirier and Alvarez

Poirier: beat Conor, Holloway, Gaethje, Alvarez, Hooker

Oliveira: beat a washed Tony, thats literally IT

Gaethje beat 2 weight cut tony and tony still had some great moments and his other wins really aren’t that impressive

 

[BBobb]

I agree. It just caught up to him. Skillset wise, he was never good, but you mix what he had with toughness, that's what made him elite. I don't see how Beating him now makes someone elite.




What happens if Dariush beats him which is a possibility? Dariush is overrated on this forum too. Dariush is bar brawler grappler. No defense on the feet, yet people were saying Khabib needed to stick around to face him, oliveira, and CDF to clean out the division lol. Are we going to propel Dariush into the elite picture, now? Come on now.

I'm fine with Oliveira's rank where it is. When you look at the other guys in the picture, like Conor, tony, it makes sense for him to be over them, but I'm not sold on him being a champion or really being elite.

No he was definitely very skilled. Great offence on the feet and ground and very underrated defence