Social Bloomberg editor-in-chief privately called the Chinese regime "Nazis" but wanted to support them.

[MicroBrew]

TL : DR

- New NPR article delves into how Bloomberg's founding Editor-in-Chief deliberately killed an investigative story on wealth accumilation by the Chinese Communist party elites, including Xi Jinping.

- Bloomberg News threatened to sue and fired their China correspondent who was investigating the CCP.

- Bloomberg killed the story

- Bloomberg even tried to force the wife of the correspondent to sign an NDA. Some of the demands made by Bloomberg on the wife were to never criticize Bloomberg or its officiers and Bloomberg reserved the right to sue her.

- Bloomberg feared the CCP would kick Bloomberg out of China, resulting in Bloomberg losing their lucrative terminals. Bloomberg terminals have a yearly subscription fee of $20K . They provide financial data and analysis.

- Bloomberg founding editor-in Chief Matthew Winkler referred to the CCP as Nazis, in a private teleconference call with senior news executives in NYC and China and the investigative team . NPR has obtained this recording.

"It has to be done with a strategic framework and a tactical method that is ... smart enough to allow us to continue and not run afoul of the Nazis who are in front of us and behind us everywhere," Winkler said, according to the audio reviewed by NPR and verified by others. "And that's who they are. And we should have no illusions about it."

- Mike Bloomberg was in on this. He denied the story was killed despite knowing otherwise. He alluded to the investigative team as "bad apples" . He supported Bloomberg news towing the CCP censorship line




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And to think this sociopathic deplorable scumbag was a real contender to be the Dem party nominee and had lots of support. The conservatives here should know that Bloomberg is not a progressive and the Dem appartchiks like Clintons aren't either. They just feign to be liberals.

All the politicians and celebs that supported Bloomberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michael_Bloomberg_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements


You can bet your ass that a President Bloomberg would go soft on the CCP, relative to all other candidates.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What is the end that people want here? @MVelsor.

Not war, right? Seems like cutting off trade would damage both countries and would lessen our ability to influence them. They are horrible, but if we're not prepared to do something about it, I don't think that we should be throwing rocks at the nest.

 

[Gunny]

Bloomberg had the absolute worst record on China of all presidential candidates.

 

[MicroBrew]

What is the end that people want here? @MVelsor.

Not war, right? Seems like cutting off trade would damage both countries and would lessen our ability to influence them. They are horrible, but if we're not prepared to do something about it, I don't think that we should be throwing rocks at the nest.

The end-result should be moving manufacturing out of China. Moving as much back home as possible and the rest to other countries.
We should never ever be reliant on China for anything.
Our media should do a better job at calling them out for the genocide they are perpertrating
Our government should sanction their top officials and try to bring war-crimes charges against them
If the West was able to take the USSR head on for decades, it has no excuse to to confront the Chinese regime. Only the greedy corporate elites and their shills want to support China.

The idea that the West can somehow make countries more tolerant and open up if the West went soft on them is naieve. It didn't work in China and didn't work in Saudi. All these regimes only use Western naievety (real or feigned) to buid up their power, carrying out some window dressing reforms, but in essense keeping their fascist underpinning.

 

[MVelsor]

What is the end that people want here? @MVelsor.

Not war, right? Seems like cutting off trade would damage both countries and would lessen our ability to influence them. They are horrible, but if we're not prepared to do something about it, I don't think that we should be throwing rocks at the nest.

* Crush the CCP's industrial high tech ambitions. (This wouldn't be as destructive as it sounds economically and I opt for leaving their telecom corps alone)

* Officially recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and amp up arms sales.

* Allow and Cooperate with Japan on the thermonuclear weapons that they're easily capable of producing on their own.

* Openly seek closer economic relations with India.

* Significantly enhance the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue.

The end-result should be moving manufacturing out of China. Moving as much back home as possible and the rest to other countries.
We should never ever be reliant on China for anything.

Our media should do a better job at calling them out for the genocide they are perpertrating

Our government should santion their top officials and try to bring war-crimes charges against them

If the West was able to take the USSR head on for decades, it has no excuse to to confront the Chinese regime. Only the greedy corporate elites and their shills want to support China.

The idea that the West can somehow make countries more tolerant and open up if the West went soft on them is naieve. It didn't work in China and didn't work in Saudi. All these regimes only use Western naievety (real or feigned) to buid up their power, carrying out some window dressing reforms, but in essense keeping their fascist underpinning.

Yes, but not through tariffs.

http://www.reshorenow.org

The Reshoring Initiative supports the Trump Administration’s trade objectives, but not the tariffs. We have offered the Administration our Competitiveness Toolkit, which outlines and quantifies alternative actions. These are intended to avoid retaliation by other countries and to avoid making some domestic sectors more competitive at the expense of others.

Several trends drive the shift from offshoring to reshoring: the rising costs of offshore production; the impact of distance on quality, innovation, flexibility, responsiveness, inventory and availability; improved U.S. competitiveness via new production technologies; and the increased use of a more sophisticated total cost of ownership (TCO) model—provided by the Reshoring Initiative—to quantify the hidden costs and risks of offshoring.

Tools offered by the Reshoring Initiative are well worth getting to know. For example, the organization’s Library shows industries and companies that are reshoring, and could be a potential source of new business. Another tool, the TCO Estimator, can help business and their customers make better sourcing decisions. It helps companies account for all relevant factors—overhead, balance sheet, risks, corporate strategy and other external and internal business considerations—to determine the true total cost.

 

[MVelsor]

@Jack V Savage I'm not sure if you've been in recent threads, but alot of people are furious with the CCP over a multitude of different issues. I'd do all of the aforementioned regardless on the sole account of this tbh.

http://www.ipcommission.org

2011 USITC Report (PDF) / 2016 USTR Report (PDF) / 2017 USTR Report (PDF)

It's down to the Chinese government implementing a top-down, state-directed strategy of intransigent policies, acts and practices which both deliberately and indirectly undercut American output, competitiveness, investment, research, development, innovation and strategic domestically spawned industries which serve as invaluable sources of high wage employment, global exports, sustained economic growth and national security. As found by virtually every bipartisan commission and panel ever assembled.

* Crush the CCP's industrial high tech ambitions.

This is at the core of America's global technological supremacy. To date, the US remains cutting edge in virtually all segments (µP, µC, SoC, GPU, AIC) and it's one of the few industries that never moved the bulk of its production offshore. Aerospace is another notable there, for many of the same reasons including higher IP protection, military applications and national security. The US controls the global industry.

... & China doesn't have one.

I don't want to cut off trade, I want them to be kept dependent on core technology. We do that through export controls on the chipmaker's suppliers and choke off all access to the materials, machinery, equipment, software and services they require to raise their own industry and which can't be acquired anywhere else to any appreciable degree.

Namely these firms in particular. One of them is based in the Netherlands (ASML) and the other Japan obviously. This is where it would be nice to utilize relationships with geopolitcal allies rather than throwing them under the bus.

How do we know export controls are effective?

America's Assault On China's Tech Ambitions

For a sense of the damage the United States can inflict on China with export controls, take a trip to the city of Jinjiang on the country’s southeastern coast.

That’s where Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Co. built a $6 billion plant to produce semiconductors as part of China’s goal of making the country a self-sufficient technology powerhouse. But after the U.S. President barred exports to the company, its dream is now in tatters with consultants from American suppliers gone, the factories silent and workers rattled.

Less than a month ago, Jinhua was full-speed ahead on an enormous undertaking financed by the local government that blanketed its corner of the city with bristling power plants, hulking workers’ dormitories and modern research labs. It was within months of a deadline to kick off full-scale production of some 60,000 wafers a month, a key step to giving China a competitive producer of memory chips used in smartphones.

Then the U.S. Justice Department accused it of stealing American technology, and Commerce slammed the door on purchases of the chipmaking gear it needed to hit that milestone. Expansion work halted as its American and even European suppliers skipped town. Now, uncertainty shrouds a company President Xi Jinping’s touted as one of three future domestic champions of chipmaking.

The day the U.S. announced its ban, Applied Materials Inc. staff packed up and left, according to people familiar with the matter. The American company had shipped components to Jinhua as recently as Sept. 20, according to an airway bill seen by Bloomberg. KLA-Tencor Corp and Lam Research Corp. also recalled their engineers, the people said. Even Dutch giant ASML Holding N.V. -- whose EUV machines are the linchpin in next-generation chipmaking -- pulled out within days, abandoning work on a second assembly line. The once-smooth influx of equipment ground to a halt. On a windy afternoon in November, a giant plot of land adjoining Jinhua’s campus earmarked for its second facility stood vacant, not even a bulldozer in sight.

So rapid was the exodus that, in many cases, Jinhua employees had no inkling of the departures till they were gone, one person said. Only a smattering of the foreign-employed engineers bothered to inform their peers before catching flights to Shanghai and Taipei, the person said. “They didn’t even give us time to say goodbye,” one person said.

From a broader perspective, the speed with which the U.S. squashed Jinhua’s ambitions underscores the extent to which China -- despite well-publicized intentions of becoming a global tech superpower by 2025 -- remains reliant on American innovation. Jinhua was to spearhead the transition for a country beholden to giants from Intel Corp. to Micron Technologies Inc. It’s an effort that’s become critical as the rivalry between the world’s two largest economies deepens. Indeed, It was Micron that first accused Jinhua and UMC of purloining its trade secrets, setting events in motion.

“Memory chips are cement for the entire IT industry, so China is eager to break the international monopoly and improve its own power of discourse in the world,” said Roger Sheng, an industry analyst with Gartner Research.

Jinhua was a key cog in a campaign to move away from chip imports -- an influx that surpasses China’s annual spending on oil. Now that vision’s in jeopardy. To some, it seems a matter of time until the Trump administration targets the other two designated national champions: Tsinghua Unigroup’s Yangtze River Memory and Hefei Changxin, run by the government of central Anhui province.

*Officially recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and amp up arms sales.

It's the right thing to do. US already protects Taiwan in part because it's home to some of the largest pure play semiconductor foundries and most advanced process technology in the world with assets heavily integrated into the US defense network and supply chain.



* Allow and Cooperate with Japan on the thermonuclear weapons that they're easily capable of producing on their own.

This would realistically be in close collaboration with the NNSA, LANL and Lockheed Martin; not too dissimilar to the set up with the UK.

* Openly seek closer economic relations with India.

* Significantly enhance the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue.

India has rejected multiple invitations to China's OBOR trade and infrastructure initiative and is already part of an informal US military alliance with a lot of room to strengthen ties.

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD, also known as the Quad) is an informal strategic dialogue between the United States, Japan, Australia and India that is maintained by talks between member countries. The dialogue was initiated in 2007 by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan.

The diplomatic and military arrangement was widely viewed as a response to increased Chinese economic and military power, and the Chinese government responded to the Quadrilateral dialogue by issuing formal diplomatic protests to its members.

The first iteration of QSD ceased following the withdrawal of Australia during the tenure of prime minister Kevin Rudd, reflecting Australian concerns about joining a perceived alliance against China with two of its historic adversaries, Japan and India.

However, during the 2017 ASEAN Summits all four former members rejoined in negotiations to revive the quadrilateral alliance. With Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of Australia, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan, Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India, and President Donald Trump of the United States agreeing in Manila to revive the security pact among tensions in the South China Sea caused primarily by China and its territorial ambitions.

 

[xcvbn]

Mike Bloomberg himself has admitted that his propaganda rag bows to Chinese censorship in order to operate within the regime.

This is analogous to American companies who aided and abetted the Nazi party.

It’s treason.

President Trump I call on you to arrest Michael Bloomberg and seize all of his assets.

 

[Oceanmachine]

The end-result should be moving manufacturing out of China. Moving as much back home as possible and the rest to other countries.
We should never ever be reliant on China for anything.
Our media should do a better job at calling them out for the genocide they are perpertrating
Our government should sanction their top officials and try to bring war-crimes charges against them
If the West was able to take the USSR head on for decades, it has no excuse to to confront the Chinese regime. Only the greedy corporate elites and their shills want to support China.

The idea that the West can somehow make countries more tolerant and open up if the West went soft on them is naieve. It didn't work in China and didn't work in Saudi. All these regimes only use Western naievety (real or feigned) to buid up their power, carrying out some window dressing reforms, but in essense keeping their fascist underpinning.

I think the guy you replied to is some shill for corportaism you wont change his mind. Bloomberg is a corrupt corportatist who shills for china and is delusionally anti Russian but pro china which is 10x more of a threat to the west. And US. Bloomberg supports China, fake US democracy, corportaism, and Israel. That is it. But I am curious how Israel benefits from an empowered china. I wonder if he thinks of that.

To me the concern should be Bloomberg is backing Biden and of course backed Biden over Bernie. He will want influence in the Biden admin. I think Biden would be soft on the CCP too.

Mike Bloomberg himself has admitted that his propaganda rag bows to Chinese censorship in order to operate within the regime.

This is analogous to American companies who aided and abetted the Nazi party.

It’s treason.

President Trump I call on you to arrest Michael Bloomberg and seize all of his assets.

Yeah just google Bloomberg and pro chinese comments. There is TONS

 

[TheTimeIsNotNow]

Mike Bloomberg himself has admitted that his propaganda rag bows to Chinese censorship in order to operate within the regime.

This is analogous to American companies who aided and abetted the Nazi party.

It’s treason.

President Trump I call on you to arrest Michael Bloomberg and seize all of his assets.

It’s capitalism. This is the world we have created, where we are so reliant on the Chinese market to prop up stock prices with their cheap slave labour and massive demand for tech. The world where no one can criticise a horrible, oppressive regime without losing the economic benefits that come with looking the other way.

Imagine the horror if Apple’s stock price were to fall because China banned their iPhones from being sold in their country?

 

[xcvbn]

Imagine the horror if Apple’s stock price were to fall because China banned their iPhones from being sold in their country?

I don’t own Apple stock and even I just shit my pants

 

[Raptac]

Were in a war, the Chinese know it but the dumbass west especially the left prefers to suck them off.

Sanction and embargoes or hope greed will do them in just as it raised them up.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

The end-result should be moving manufacturing out of China. Moving as much back home as possible and the rest to other countries.
We should never ever be reliant on China for anything.
Our media should do a better job at calling them out for the genocide they are perpertrating
Our government should sanction their top officials and try to bring war-crimes charges against them
If the West was able to take the USSR head on for decades, it has no excuse to to confront the Chinese regime. Only the greedy corporate elites and their shills want to support China.

The idea that the West can somehow make countries more tolerant and open up if the West went soft on them is naieve. It didn't work in China and didn't work in Saudi. All these regimes only use Western naievety (real or feigned) to buid up their power, carrying out some window dressing reforms, but in essense keeping their fascist underpinning.

All Western countries should stop doing business with China, KSA, or any of these other backwards countries that fvk up the world. Stop being whores and doing business with third-world zhit holes because you worship money.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

The end-result should be moving manufacturing out of China. Moving as much back home as possible and the rest to other countries.
We should never ever be reliant on China for anything.
Our media should do a better job at calling them out for the genocide they are perpertrating
Our government should sanction their top officials and try to bring war-crimes charges against them
If the West was able to take the USSR head on for decades, it has no excuse to to confront the Chinese regime. Only the greedy corporate elites and their shills want to support China.

The idea that the West can somehow make countries more tolerant and open up if the West went soft on them is naieve. It didn't work in China and didn't work in Saudi. All these regimes only use Western naievety (real or feigned) to buid up their power, carrying out some window dressing reforms, but in essense keeping their fascist underpinning.

Even Krugman has admitted he fucked up:

The pro-globalization consensus of the 1990s, which concluded that trade contributed little to rising inequality, relied on models that asked how the growth of trade had affected the incomes of broad classes of workers, such as those who didn’t go to college. It’s possible, and probably even correct, to think of these models as accurate in the long run. Consensus economists didn’t turn much to analytic methods that focus on workers in particular industries and communities, which would have given a better picture of short-run trends. This was, I now believe, a major mistake — one in which I shared a hand.

It should have been obvious that the politics of globalization were likely to be much more influenced by the experience of individual sectors that gained or lost from shifting trade flows than by big questions of how trade affects the global blue-collar/white-collar wage gap or the broad statistical measure of inequality known as the aggregate Gini coefficient.

This is where the now-famous 2013 analysisof the “China shock” by David Autor, David Dorn and Gordon Hanson comes in. What they mainly did was shift focus from broad questions of global income distribution to the effects of rapid import growth on local labor markets, showing that these effects were large and persistent. This represented a new and important insight.

To make partial excuses for those of us who failed to consider these issues 25 years ago, at the time we had no way to know that either the hyperglobalization that began in the 1990s or the trade-deficit surge a decade later were going to happen. And without the combination of these developments, the China shock would have been much smaller. Still, we missed a crucial part of the story.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...alization-and-the-missteps-of-1990s-economics

Krugman of course goes on to say we shouldn't now be protectionists, but he has no credibility at this point.

 

[Jack V Savage]

* Crush the CCP's industrial high tech ambitions. (This wouldn't be as destructive as it sounds economically and I opt for leaving their telecom corps alone)

* Officially recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and amp up arms sales.

* Allow and Cooperate with Japan on the thermonuclear weapons that they're easily capable of producing on their own.

* Openly seek closer economic relations with India.

* Significantly enhance the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue.

That's not the endgame, though. Those are steps toward it (war seems to be where you're going). I'm not informed enough to form a strong position here, but it seems to me that we should be very careful about initiating open hostility against a country with a $14T GDP, even if we emotionally feel justified. The potential costs are extremely high, and a cost-benefit analysis should take that into account.

 

[Lint]

Imagine the horror if Apple’s stock price were to fall because China banned their iPhones from being sold in their country?

Let me say Apple selling to China doesn't matter, markets do.
All countries/markets that had a positive commercial exchange with the US got bullied at some point by Trump: EU, SA and India. Arabs are outright unhappy after that embassy relocation and Israel alone can't make a dent.

Take Germany's case for example: Trump seized a bunch of cargo planes filled to the brim with medical masks/equipment addressed to them, happened less than two weeks ago.
Bad eh? Well, he did the same towards Brazil, so EU and SA's biggest players got stabbed right in the back on day 1. (And China can bully twice what US can)

....and now Trump will have to ask them to burn bridges and buy more expensive stuff from US in lieu of of China. :v

 

[superpunch]

Take Germany's case for example: Trump seized a bunch of cargo planes filled to the brim with medical masks/equipment addressed to them, happened less than two weeks ago.

That was fake news. Stop listening to CNN!

 

[Lint]

That was fake news. Stop listening to CNN!

Then tell them BBC is pirating their fake news, that's my source - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995

Still there's a difference in "accused" and "found guilty", in this times of pandemic I'm not sure on who to trust tho.

 

[superpunch]

Then tell them BBC is pirating their fake news, that's my source - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995

Still there's a difference in "accused" and "found guilty", in this times of pandemic I'm not sure on who to trust tho.

BBC also often reports fake news to stifle Trump. These people don't care if they lie, they just want to be anti-Trump. You gotta stop listening to fake news otherwise you turn into a robot, man. Probably 99% of the stuff you believe is all lies. It's like the conspiracy theorists that get all their news from the conspiracy stuff on facebook. That's how warped shit like CNN and other fake news mainstream media makes you.

US debunks Berlin leaders’ allegations that it seized 200,000 face masks amid coronavirus pandemic

BERLIN – The U.S. government and German commentators sharply criticized officials in Berlin for manufacturing a scandal, alleging that the Trump administration improperly seized 200,000 face masks destined for police in the city during the coronavirus pandemic.

Without providing evidence, Andreas Geisel, the Social Democratic interior minister for the Berlin city-state, claimed on Friday that the U.S. intercepted and seized the masks. He termed it “an act of modern piracy” and added, “Even in times of global crisis there should be no Wild West methods.”

Geisel was a member of the East Germany communist party until 1989.

Berlin’s Social Democratic mayor, Michael Müller, tweeted: “The actions of the U.S. president do not just betray a lack of solidarity, they are inhumane and irresponsible.”

Richard Grenell, the acting U.S. director of national intelligence and America’s ambassador to the Federal Republic, told Fox News exclusively on Tuesday that the actions of Berlin government officials shows their “anti-Americanism.”

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-de...d-200000-face-masks-amid-coronavirus-pandemic

 

[Lint]

BBC also often reports fake news to stifle Trump. These people don't care if they lie, they just want to be anti-Trump.

US debunks Berlin leaders’ allegations that it seized 200,000 face masks amid coronavirus pandemic

BERLIN – The U.S. government and German commentators sharply criticized officials in Berlin for manufacturing a scandal, alleging that the Trump administration improperly seized 200,000 face masks destined for police in the city during the coronavirus pandemic.

Without providing evidence, Andreas Geisel, the Social Democratic interior minister for the Berlin city-state, claimed on Friday that the U.S. intercepted and seized the masks. He termed it “an act of modern piracy” and added, “Even in times of global crisis there should be no Wild West methods.”

Geisel was a member of the East Germany communist party until 1989.

Richard Grenell, the acting U.S. director of national intelligence and America’s ambassador to the Federal Republic, told Fox News exclusively on Tuesday that the actions of Berlin government officials shows their “anti-Americanism.”

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-de...d-200000-face-masks-amid-coronavirus-pandemic

A bit moot arguing that BBC/CNN are trash/biased and come up with a Fox News article, if I may say so.
I'm not disagreeing with you, let's presume Fox is right, that's just one point, the Trump administration is widely known for burning bridges with smaller allies. Ask any person not living in US, including me.

Things he has to tergiversate in order to make other countries buy from US instead of China are:
- Previous contracts/relationship among the chinese.
- Previous cases of bullying, not related to Wuhan virus, which are abound.
- Willing to pay more for the same stuff, alongside worse quality at least for the first years.
- Left-wing representatives all around the world will try and block every try to side with US.
- Change is always more expensive than keeping the status-quo.
- Previous issues, like in Brazil (not mask related, not going into details) or ME/Jerusalem.

I really hope he do it, I can't bear China telling the word to shut up and the world obeying. Don't wanna sound alarmist but we might be on the brink of a big political change, if Trump won't stand against the chinese, nobody else will follow suit.

 

[MVelsor]

Then tell them BBC is pirating their fake news, that's my source - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995

Still there's a difference in "accused" and "found guilty", in this times of pandemic I'm not sure on who to trust tho.

BBC also often reports fake news to stifle Trump. These people don't care if they lie, they just want to be anti-Trump. You gotta stop listening to fake news otherwise you turn into a robot, man. Probably 99% of the stuff you believe is all lies. It's like the conspiracy theorists that get all their news from the conspiracy stuff on facebook. That's how warped shit like CNN and other fake news mainstream media makes you.

US debunks Berlin leaders’ allegations that it seized 200,000 face masks amid coronavirus pandemic

BERLIN – The U.S. government and German commentators sharply criticized officials in Berlin for manufacturing a scandal, alleging that the Trump administration improperly seized 200,000 face masks destined for police in the city during the coronavirus pandemic.

Without providing evidence, Andreas Geisel, the Social Democratic interior minister for the Berlin city-state, claimed on Friday that the U.S. intercepted and seized the masks. He termed it “an act of modern piracy” and added, “Even in times of global crisis there should be no Wild West methods.”

Geisel was a member of the East Germany communist party until 1989.

Berlin’s Social Democratic mayor, Michael Müller, tweeted: “The actions of the U.S. president do not just betray a lack of solidarity, they are inhumane and irresponsible.”

Richard Grenell, the acting U.S. director of national intelligence and America’s ambassador to the Federal Republic, told Fox News exclusively on Tuesday that the actions of Berlin government officials shows their “anti-Americanism.”

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-de...d-200000-face-masks-amid-coronavirus-pandemic

This is all a little insane.