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BLACK PANTHER v.4 (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen BLACK PANTHER, how would you rate it?

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Secret Agent said:
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For reals
I felt like screaming "You know theres more you dumbasses!" as the I sat there watching the theater clear out as soon as the credits started lol
 
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KnightTemplar said:
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I don't know what is funny about that. I didn't make it up. I can't relate but they found something in the movie that resonated. When I saw the movie, 3/4 of the theater was black. It is a bigger deal than you think.


loyalyolayal said:
They're represented well in the media. Nigeria's Boko Haram, the 2 Sudans, Liberia, Congo, Libya, Egypt. It goes on and on and on.
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I don't get what you are implying.
 
Prefect said:
I don't know what is funny about that. I didn't make it up. I can't relate but they found something in the movie that resonated. When I saw the movie, 3/4 of the theater was black. It is a bigger deal than you think.




I don't get what you are implying.
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The fact that she was crying while watching a comic book movie. Look, I love comic book films. But I've never cried during one. I didn't even cry at the end of Braveheart, when Wallace was being hung, drawn and quartered, and that film was as big a deal for Scottish people as BP was for black Americans.
 
KnightTemplar said:
The fact that she was crying while watching a comic book movie. Look, I love comic book films. But I've never cried during one. I didn't even cry at the end of Braveheart, when Wallace was being hung, drawn and quartered, and that film was as big a deal for Scottish people as BP was for black Americans.
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Then it didn't resonate with you. I don't understand your point.

I cried at Big Fish at the end when the dad dies but that is just because it resonated with me. My dad cried watching We are Marshall, of all movies. He said that it reminded him how tough it was starting up his business, living in a new city, and having a daughter die of SIDS. Just a really tough year. I still don't get that one but it resonates with him somehow.
 
Prefect said:
Then it didn't resonate with you. I don't understand your point.

I cried at Big Fish at the end when the dad dies but that is just because it resonated with me. My dad cried watching We are Marshall, of all movies. He said that it reminded him how tough it was starting up his business, living in a new city, and having a daughter die of SIDS. Just a really tough year. I still don't get that one but it resonates with him somehow.
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His point is if he didnt feel a certain way about something then no one else is allowed to either
Dat colonizer mentality
 
Prefect said:
I don't know what is funny about that. I didn't make it up. I can't relate but they found something in the movie that resonated. When I saw the movie, 3/4 of the theater was black. It is a bigger deal than you think.
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What’s funny, is that for that reason alone, casual viewers are saying it’s the GOAT superhero movie. Which to comic book fans is no reason at all. You can’t proclaim something as the greatest with no other frame of reference. They even hate on Black comic book fans that say BP was okay.

Real talk, Celie and Sofia from TCP are bigger heroes than T’Challa.
 
FyrFytr998 said:
What’s funny, is that for that reason alone, casual viewers are saying it’s the GOAT superhero movie. Which to comic book fans is no reason at all. You can’t proclaim something as the greatest with no other frame of reference. They even hate on Black comic book fans that say BP was okay.

Real talk, Celie and Sofia from TCP are bigger heroes than T’Challa.
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When is it a sin to like or dislike a movie? This thread should be more about people constructively talking about what they liked or disliked about a film rather than criticzing other people's comments about it. I didnt think it was the bees knees but if someone else does, i am happy they enjoyed it.
 
Prefect said:
A friend of a friend cried after seeing the movie, knowing that this was the first movie that she could remember that there was a black super hero and black people worth saving and maybe her kids wouldn't have to grow up without black super heroes or seen as equals in movies. I can't relate to that on a certain level just not being black. That makes this movie very different from not just other super hero movies but movies in general. That said I can't relate but africanness ,if that is a word, is sorely missing from movies and tv. 1 out of 6 people on earth live in Africa and it is like a void in the media.

So, no I don't think this was a particularly great movie but I think there are a lot of reasons to give it more attention than just the quality of the movie.
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LMAO, so you think there is a black void in movies and popular culture in general?
 
workdiggitz said:
point taken.
i wouldnt say im offended but i am taken back that so many people have placed it on a pedestal to the point where your labeled a racist if you point out the films flaws. of which there are many.
and i guess i find it sad that a movie like this is being called the best when to be honest i found it to be sub par at best. and whats new about the black people in this film? ive seen africans in film before, ive seen black heros, ive seen good and bad black people in movies. the masses didnt get behind blade.
its not that the movie was unfaithfull to the source material by anymeans that bothers me.
politics in the film are expected as stated its a part of the source material.
i have to actually ask the question do people actually like the movie or do they just love the idea of the movie?
in that sense perhaps it is allot more than a movie to some people. and i can appriceate that.
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I think people throw around the term "racist" far too frequently these days, along with a few other words. But, a shit ton of the negative reaction I've seen towards this movie, it's been race that is at the center of a lot of people's issue. It makes it a lot easier to assume racism when the complaints are so dumb.
I can't even count the number of times ive read "so, can whitey see this yet/i don't want to suck the black joy out of theater ".
Is anyone really saying the movie is flawless? Is there any movie with no flaws? People like it for a variety of reasons . It isn't an either , or. I can love the movie, AND the idea of it.

What's new about black people in film? No one is saying that blacks have never been in film. But if you can look at Blade and at Black Panther and say they're the same, then. ..wow. (he's a fucking vampire, why would people rally behind him? Blade was an action movie, how many people knew it was basedon a comic?)
Again, no one is saying that this is the first time that blacks have been on film, it's HOW they are represented is what we're talking about. There's always a Will Smith, or Falcon character to play the "cool black guy that gets all the bitches'", how often do you just see the normal ass black guy on the screen? Believe it or not, all the brothers aint playas with 2 or 3 babies mamas, or the "sistas" snapping their fingers and giving the "mmmmhmmmm child".

And what is most of the world's opinion on Africa and blacks? This movie (though fictional ) gave an opportunity to show blacks as something other than a basketball player, or a rapper, or a street thug trying to make it out of the hood. How many other movies do this, like a real representation of blacks?

This is like if you were to bitch about Asians bitching about a lack of representation after "The Last Samurai " came out. There's no denying that asians were in the movie, but the last Samurai ended up being Tom Cruise. They were bit players in a movie about themselves, playing their stereotypical roles. Black Panther showed blacks beyond their stereotypical roles. They were kings, thinkers, inventors, etc. Wnat other movie has portrayed blacks like this on this level under a big ass company like Disney?
 
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MikeMcMann said:
@FyrFytr998, @Prefect, @Jim Cozad Jr., @SmilinDesperado,

Hey guys just letting you know there is a War Room thread where race based talk is fine. Lets try our best to keep that there so we have one thread which is more focused purely on the movie merits/challenges.
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The movie is structured on a context that ties into our world. It is impossible to treat or talk about the movie and pretend it doesn't have shared context. The villain's motivations are based on these contexts. Killmonger didn't even have to go into detail as to what his gripes were because it was just assumed it was obvious to the audience. His last line "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from ships, 'cause they knew death was better than bondage" explicitly references the slave trade.
 
Prefect said:
The movie is structured on a context that ties into our world. It is impossible to treat or talk about the movie and pretend it doesn't have shared context. The villain's motivations are based on these contexts. Killmonger didn't even have to go into detail as to what his gripes were because it was just assumed it was obvious to the audience. His last line "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from ships, 'cause they knew death was better than bondage" explicitly references the slave trade.
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No one is suggesting you or anyone ignore the movies context or plot points. I am suggesting you try to minimize or avoid (in this thread) the tangential broader discussions about race and why or why not people or groups might like or dislike this movie, etc because of race, when there is a thread for that aspect in the WR.

anyway I am not a mod so its just a suggestion from a guy who would prefer this thread avoid that part, so do with that what you will.
 
Prefect said:
When is it a sin to like or dislike a movie? This thread should be more about people constructively talking about what they liked or disliked about a film rather than criticzing other people's comments about it. I didnt think it was the bees knees but if someone else does, i am happy they enjoyed it.
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Don't waste your time. This movie has inspired more people to talk about something they haven't seen, then any film I can remember. You aren't being questioned because what you're saying doesn't make sense, you're being questioned because certain people don't want it to make sense.
 
Jopious Extronimous said:
Don't waste your time. This movie has inspired more people to talk about something they haven't seen, then any film I can remember. You aren't being questioned because what you're saying doesn't make sense, you're being questioned because certain people don't want it to make sense.
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So I don’t want to make sense of some person who just saw BP on a whim, telling me my opinion as a 40 year comic reader and a person who has pretty much watched every Superhero movie made, is wrong? Interesting.

You are right @Secret Agent . It’s hard not to bite down.
 
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