BJJ Practitioners do you have a problem with how this ended?

[ChickenBrother]

I mean if you've got a stud on your team you kind of just smile and take your ass whooping in training

I do that pretty much every class. But I draw the line at having my ankle twisted backward and shoved up my own ass with no chance to tap. Maybe this kid rolls differently with scrubs but there's always that one guy at every gym that no one wants to roll with because he's a dick training partner.

 

[deadshot138]

I do that pretty much every class. But I draw the line at having my ankle twisted backward and shoved up my own ass with no chance to tap. Maybe this kid rolls differently with scrubs but there's always that one guy at every gym that no one wants to roll with because he's a dick training partner.

Yes but that's also the dude you can crank subs on with clean conscience

 

[ChickenBrother]

Yes but that's also the dude you can crank subs on with clean conscience

Nah, that's just mutually assured destruction. I might have been down with that 20 years ago, hunting for payback and whatnot, but I'm too old for that shit now.

 

[mattemate]

Nah, that's just mutually assured destruction. I might have been down with that 20 years ago, hunting for payback and whatnot, but I'm too old for that shit now.

Funny how the attitude changes with time, huh?
I used to think, "I'm gonna kill that fucking guy."
Now I'm all, "Why'd you have to do that, bro?"

 

[mattemate]

Holy shit they went from laughing to crippling in a split second. Definitely would pass on rolling with that kid lmao

I get the whole "it's a competition" thing but damn. He's young, hopefully with some time and maturity he will learn how to know when he needs to do that and when he doesn't.

I've only ever intentionally hurt a training partner once. Guy with about 50 pounds on me that just had no chill when he got an advantage, and would do shit like scrape your gi over your face, come into a crossface with an impact, almost like a punch.

He was being particularly rough one day and I got him in a triangle. He started to stand and the armbar was right there. I could have eased into it but chose to slam it to give him back a little something. He whined and complained about it, but he started rolling a lot nicer.

I would never crank someone's knee like this kid does unless it was some serious shit, either an MMA match (which I don't do) or an actual fight.

This kid has an adult body and skillset and the mind of a teenager.

 

[Minnja]

This kid has an adult body and skillset and the mind of a teenager.

This is a great way to put it. People saying it's fine because he's competing- I really think this is something he'll probably stop doing as he gets older and starts understanding things about people and stuff some more. Most high level guys you can see they know how to slap on a fast submission without cranking it full force and they also know how to dial it down against people they are superior to.

 

[mattemate]

This is a great way to put it. People saying it's fine because he's competing- I really think this is something he'll probably stop doing as he gets older and starts understanding things about people and stuff some more. Most high level guys you can see they know how to slap on a fast submission without cranking it full force and they also know how to dial it down against people they are superior to.

This can also happen with kids after they hit their growth spurt, and don't even realize their own strength. I've seen it happen. I got my buddy's son into jiujitsu when he was 14. He got good really fast, was a natural, then he hit his growth spurt and had grown man strength pretty soon. He was manhandling the women and kids lol. He wasn't exactly the brightest kid either, so it took quite a few talkings to to get him to chill.

I still wouldn't roll with Fat Shag-hole-y.

 

[DoctorTaco]

There is an active delay in the ref stopping the fight and him releasing it. The second the ref yells stop and places their hands on you it's time to let go.
This video shows most of his sub wins. You can see he actively progresses throughout his career to the point where the ref has to physically remove his hands to make him release the sub.
He let go at a reasonable time early on and then made a decision later to hold on.

He was known for it
https://www.mmamania.com/2013/10/13...s-rousimar-palhares-injured-training-partners

 

[DoctorTaco]

its a fight

it literally isn’t.

 

[deadshot138]

For clarity that heel hook was the first round. He didn't win the finals. Nick Rodrigues did.

 

[maximus__]

You can even see in the latter subs he starts to take an extra little bit as they tap and the ref comes in.
I remember that video, great little post.

 

[maximus__]

I've only ever intentionally hurt a training partner once. Guy with about 50 pounds on me that just had no chill when he got an advantage, and would do shit like scrape your gi over your face, come into a crossface with an impact, almost like a punch.

He was being particularly rough one day and I got him in a triangle. He started to stand and the armbar was right there. I could have eased into it but chose to slam it to give him back a little something. He whined and complained about it, but he started rolling a lot nicer.

I would never crank someone's knee like this kid does unless it was some serious shit, either an MMA match (which I don't do) or an actual fight.

This kid has an adult body and skillset and the mind of a teenager.

I have used the mounted guillotine in a similar situation.

Drilling kneeling guard passes all class and start the rolling rounds from there with it starting once passer chooses over/under or double under.
Similar size difference (50 pounds) and I am playing guard for him to practice. He chooses double under and immediately jumps to his feet and flips me like a tire.
I ended up in turtle and got an arm in guillotine grip and butterfly hooks to sweep over to finish a mounted guillotine. I would usually catch and release from there but I finished it hard.

It has worked pretty well for me, but old matey is running out of willing training partners as I am not the only person who has done it.

I have less issue with the finish in the actual OP because they are up fighting hands etc for quite a while before he drops back, but the one in an in house comp is a dick move. That's your team mate you are trying to destroy there.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You can even see in the latter subs he starts to take an extra little bit as they tap and the ref comes in.
I remember that video, great little post.

lauzon has always been a great guy

 

[Matsukaze]

Heel hooks and ankle locks are one of Golden boy Gordan top moves but I can't recall seeing him just ripping someone's shit off

 

[TheWobbler]

Pat Shahgholi Addresses Social Media Criticism

Describing himself as a dangerous competitor as opposed to a dirty competitor, Shahgholi explains that his mindset going into every match, especially with hefty prize money on the line, is, Its either kill or be killed.

In the competition standpoint when theres 50 grand on the line, my opponent is trying to break me and submit me so I have the same intentions, Shahgholi said. In the training room Im preparing and practicing to physically break my opponent down mentally and physically. Its called breaking mechanics.

love it. I love the hate, Shahgholi said. The next competition theyre going to keep seeing me for the rest of their time. Theyre going to keep seeing me on their feed or YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, SnapChat, theyre just going to keep seeing me and theyre going to be mad. They’re mad at what Im doing but they can’t stop that. They have to deal with it.


Shahgholi explains that if the public continues to build him up as the BJJ bad guy and promoters enjoy it, hell embrace the role. He knows that theres a slight chance hes put a target on himself but, in all reality, he isnt going to change much. Its not like they were going to treat him much differently before his viral moment.


There may be a little bit of [a target] but maybe not, Shahgholi said. I think everybody is just kind of mad, but what do you expect from the jiu jitsu game? People are training to break each other.

Are people training to break each other?

 

[cheachea]

They’re mad at what Im doing but they can’t stop that. They have to deal with it.

That’s until he runs into the wrong savage that doesn’t care about consequences (like Charles Felony Bennet type of dudes).

I remember reading a story, I think it was here on sherdog about crazy horse having beef with someone in a bJJ gym and then attacking the guy with a weapon in the gym.

And there are still dudes that are like this in bJJ / mma. Not as much as the early 2000’s but they still exist.

You guys know the people I’m talking about who will straight up just elbow you in the face in broad daylight for disrespecting them in front of a bunch of people kind of guys.

 

[maximus__]

Pat Shahgholi Addresses Social Media Criticism

Describing himself as a dangerous competitor as opposed to a dirty competitor, Shahgholi explains that his mindset going into every match, especially with hefty prize money on the line, is, Its either kill or be killed.

In the competition standpoint when theres 50 grand on the line, my opponent is trying to break me and submit me so I have the same intentions, Shahgholi said. In the training room Im preparing and practicing to physically break my opponent down mentally and physically. Its called breaking mechanics.

love it. I love the hate, Shahgholi said. The next competition theyre going to keep seeing me for the rest of their time. Theyre going to keep seeing me on their feed or YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, SnapChat, theyre just going to keep seeing me and theyre going to be mad. They’re mad at what Im doing but they can’t stop that. They have to deal with it.


Shahgholi explains that if the public continues to build him up as the BJJ bad guy and promoters enjoy it, hell embrace the role. He knows that theres a slight chance hes put a target on himself but, in all reality, he isnt going to change much. Its not like they were going to treat him much differently before his viral moment.


There may be a little bit of [a target] but maybe not, Shahgholi said. I think everybody is just kind of mad, but what do you expect from the jiu jitsu game? People are training to break each other.

Are people training to break each other?

You literally have two of the best teams in the world talking about how they train specifically not to do this. New wave and B Team are all about training hard but safely. B Team even put a video out explaining how they do all this.


I get it's competition and I understand finishing a sub because some people just won't tap, but the way he just drops back and tries to take his knee home still frustrates me a bit. I don't mind the original sub as much as the one from the in house competition. I still think that's too much when it's your team mate.

 

[maximus__]

That’s until he runs into the wrong savage that doesn’t care about consequences (like Charles Felony Bennet type of dudes).

I remember reading a story, I think it was here on sherdog about crazy horse having beef with someone in a bJJ gym and then attacking the guy with a weapon in the gym.

And there are still dudes that are like this in bJJ / mma. Not as much as the early 2000’s but they still exist.

You guys know the people I’m talking about who will straight up just elbow you in the face in broad daylight for disrespecting them in front of a bunch of people kind of guys.

Give him Vagner Rocha. Won't tap to leg locks, but will mix in ground and pound.

 

[Thrawn33]

In big money matches.. I get it..

Karma is a STD infected angry cheating bitch with a knife though...

Be ready to die by the sword....and that kid now has a target on his back that could cost him the rest of a very long career...very short term thinking.

 

[AZ103]

Pat Shahgholi Addresses Social Media Criticism

Describing himself as a dangerous competitor as opposed to a dirty competitor, Shahgholi explains that his mindset going into every match, especially with hefty prize money on the line, is, Its either kill or be killed.

In the competition standpoint when theres 50 grand on the line, my opponent is trying to break me and submit me so I have the same intentions, Shahgholi said. In the training room Im preparing and practicing to physically break my opponent down mentally and physically. Its called breaking mechanics.

love it. I love the hate, Shahgholi said. The next competition theyre going to keep seeing me for the rest of their time. Theyre going to keep seeing me on their feed or YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, SnapChat, theyre just going to keep seeing me and theyre going to be mad. They’re mad at what Im doing but they can’t stop that. They have to deal with it.


Shahgholi explains that if the public continues to build him up as the BJJ bad guy and promoters enjoy it, hell embrace the role. He knows that theres a slight chance hes put a target on himself but, in all reality, he isnt going to change much. Its not like they were going to treat him much differently before his viral moment.


There may be a little bit of [a target] but maybe not, Shahgholi said. I think everybody is just kind of mad, but what do you expect from the jiu jitsu game? People are training to break each other.

Are people training to break each other?

This reminds me of a place i used to work at where the youngsters always took the older guys bitching to heart. Training for breaking mechanics over taps is a big talking point in jj right now. At my job these old timers would always bitch threatening to cut corner or do a shitty job or even quit but they never did it was all talk. But you know who did? All the young new guys who took it to heart. This kid took train breaking mechanics and ran with it, its extra sad because the entire point of grappling is to win a fight with minimal damage to your opponent. Wrestling through pinning and controling and jj through submission, the tap is there so they have the opportunity to quit. Anyways rant over.