Media BJ Penn arrested again after assaulting man in Hawaii

xhaydenx said:
I'm not saying it's true, but nothing actually adds up when it comes to the idea of Tony being crazy. I'm not saying he doesn't have some issues either, but the whole thing is way too neat for him to be the brain damaged maniac his fans like to portray him as.
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Tony is a quirky dude but comparing him to BJ is absolutely ridiculous.
 
xhaydenx said:
I'm not saying it's true, but nothing actually adds up when it comes to the idea of Tony being crazy. I'm not saying he doesn't have some issues either, but the whole thing is way too neat for him to be the brain damaged maniac his fans like to portray him as.
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people can have manic episode and still fonction normally most of the time. It being the result of brain trauma is most likely just bullshit tho, his wife said that Tony sometimes had episodes from the time of the ultimate fighter
www.mmafighting.com

Tony Ferguson’s wife details UFC star’s alleged ‘frightening’ behavior, taking of son in court filing

Tony Ferguson’s wife, Cristina, requested a temporary domestic violence restraining order this week after Ferguson allegedly forcefully took their son for six days, fear of “threatening and violent behavior.”
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He's probably on meds right now
 
Reissue said:
Mate, why the aggression? I haven't bothered to search pubmed, but you are contradicting yourself. If it is described across sports psychiatry it for sure should be published and Linked through relevant search engines.

I never heard the term sport psychiatryst to be honest, only sport psychologist. Honestly, i am "skeptic" the term exists, because i guess sport psychologists are for things as motivational adjustment and Performance enhancing, psychiatry is medical treatment of mental ilness and generaly doesn't differentiate between professions of the field. Would be pretty cute now that i think about it to label a psychiatrist or a psychotherapist after the selective treatment of the work description of their selective patient group.
Don't sweat, it's all light hearted fun, you don't have to be offended. Take it easy, it really helps. Maybe there are "Sport psychiatrists" as i guess for high Performance athletes there is more money involved and therefore incentive for practitioners to specialice. I just don't think it's a field but a few selected persons if there is such.

There are so many indicators in your two posts i replied to, that without possible knowing for certain i am lead to assume you are not really familiar with the field you are talking about... just to pick one: adjustment disorder is one of the most low-threshold diagnosis to be found in the field. I know that some General practicioners treat it more as an causal indicator (at least i hope so, otherwise they have even less of a clue what they are doing) but it really isn't. Anything grave, not even talking about bj penn, would be better descriped with a more specific and higher-threshold diagnosis.
For further reading try f43.2 (icd-10).

I haven't tried to "debunk" it, even if following your line of reason it should be pretty easy, since a claim without evidence can be discarded without further investigation (regarding your "they describe it [behind close doors i guess], they just don't publish it" line of reasoning and general "it is so because i say so"
without any insights or linked publication" attitude). I was a little bit curious and a little bit skeptic.

Since your reply was of no value for my curiosity (and your tone leads to no hope further exchange would change that) and i have just learned from you that i am not really skeptic but just pretending to be, this is the end of our short conversation. Fun while it lasted. wish you all the best. Don't be offended so easily.
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You’re a clown. You spent three paragraphs proving you cant tell the difference between field terminology and functional specialization. “Sports psychiatry” is a real thing, look up the international society for sports psychiatry or the APA section on exercise and sports psychiatry before you embarrass yourself further.

Adjustment disorder is the low threshold diagnosis because that’s the entry point for most post-career deterioration. It’s where it starts before manifesting into major depression, substance abuse, or aggression. I used existential decompression because it captures the mechanism, loss of reinforcement loops, hormonal collapse, and identity death, not because it needed your bureaucratic approval code.

You came in pretending to be “curious” but you just wanted to posture. Enjoy your moral victory lap, professor of nothing.
 
Prazeres said:
people can have manic episode and still fonction normally most of the time. It being the result of brain trauma is most likely just bullshit tho, his wife said that Tony sometimes had episodes from the time of the ultimate fighter
www.mmafighting.com

Tony Ferguson’s wife details UFC star’s alleged ‘frightening’ behavior, taking of son in court filing

Tony Ferguson’s wife, Cristina, requested a temporary domestic violence restraining order this week after Ferguson allegedly forcefully took their son for six days, fear of “threatening and violent behavior.”
www.mmafighting.com www.mmafighting.com
He's probably on meds right now
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People definitely can have manic eps and be normal the rest of the time.

But there's just way too much about Tony that just doesn't add up. Like, every single police report, when the cops arrive, he's totally fine and never comes close to doing anything that could get him in actual trouble. That just doesn't happen. The only time he was somewhat difficult to deal with was when he got arrested drunk driving, but that's totally different from some manic episode.

Combine that with the obviously misleading training videos, the very intentional tweeting style, the degree, etc. and it just doesn't add up.

And again, everyone was totally convinced he was going to flip out once MMA was done for him and it was all gonna end so tragically, and yet, look at reality. There's absolutely none of that out of him. All he's done is slowed down on trying to keep his name relevant in MMA because he's done with that as a career and knows there's no point really pushing that gimmick anymore, and worked his way into a big easy pay day smacking around a chubby influencer lol.
 
barillas said:
In before: most post-career mental collapse is not CTE, it’s quantifiable existential decompression, a measurable psychological response to the sudden loss of structure, purpose, and hormonal balance that comes with retirement, not a neurological disease.
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post retirement malaise doesn't make you a stark raving lunatic. come the fuck on.
 
He should strive to be more like Jon Jones and Conor. They assault like half as many people
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
yea no, it's drugs bro
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I remember you saying a while back that in Hawaii, it's fairly regular to see peeps square up.

Is it still like that from what you've seen?

If you remove the MMA star factor, did BJ just run a regular Saturday night fight or has HI calmed down and what he did was now a non-norm?
 
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L0ki said:
I remember you saying a while back that in Hawaii, it's fairly regular to see peeps square up.

Is it still like that from what you've seen?

If you remove the MMA star factor, did BJ just run a regular Saturday night figth or has HI calmed down and what he did was now a non-norm?
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fist fights are always going to be a part of Hawaii culture i feel like. it's just the way it is, and what he did is not abnormal behavior, fighting people and all that. like even the fight he had where he got knocked out in that parking lot is normal, especially when you go into the city and go to bars. most people in bars in Hawaii aren't there to have a good time. they're there to look for somebody to fight or other shady behavior. you don't see that many fist fights being posted up on the internet anymore and i think that part of fighting isn't as popular anymore. unfortunately these younger generations are picking up the bad habits of the rest of US and are turning to guns and shootings.
 
kuroro said:
it cant just be drugs
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why not? have you ever met a meth addict? i've seen drugs permanently render people mentally insane. from normal human beings to mumbling, talking to the sky incoherently crazies.
 
Fedorgasm said:
I know he got chinned by that one guy on the street but who knows how drunk/high he was at the time.

I wouldn't want to tangle with him today when he's sober. And if he gets a triangle or a RNC, he could easily kill someone simply by holding it too long
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And once he got back up, he chased the guy down (they were back inside but right in the front entrance area) and had his back, flattened him out and was tee'ing off.

Realistically, if he keeps it up someone will stab or shoot him eventually. Even the ghost of BJ Penn would be a nightmare for any civilian
 
kuroro said:
if we're including rapes
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Conor fucking decked the Miami Heat mascot at the same game that the gal accused him of cornering her in the bathroom and going too far.

I think we have to include rapes, it's an even worse thing to do than sucker punching another guy at a bar or nightclub, which is also despicable.

His money may bail him out of shit that he'd otherwise be doing time for, but there's too much smoke to ignore.

BJ needs a miracle, honestly. He's always had money, has partied for over 30 years at his age and he's likely too set in his ways to just "hunker down and make some changes"
 
Fedorgasm said:
I know he got chinned by that one guy on the street but who knows how drunk/high he was at the time.

I wouldn't want to tangle with him today when he's sober. And if he gets a triangle or a RNC, he could easily kill someone simply by holding it too long
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apparentely that dude who clipped bj was a friend of his and they were both shitfaced. the dude lost his cool and wanted to fight bj. bj went outside to try n reason with him, but the dude wasn't gonna reason. if you notice bj didn't throw one punch at the point the dude cracked him. bj's hands were to his side and he wasn't engaging the dude. so did he get ko'd? yes. but it's a bit unfair to totally clown him for "losing to some street dork", as Penn wasn't fighting back when he got knocked out. of course there's the video later when bj is fighting back and he's got the fatso's back and the fatso is flattened out wearing shots to his grape... but to the point, i feel no pity for bj. he grew up a filthy rich kid and made millions. the videos of him begging for money are pathetic. it's his own fault he's in the situation he's in.
 
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