International Biden working with Mexico on revolutionary new border policy.

[Bia]

Election must be close

 

[mjfan23]

So it's about the campaign, not doing what is right? We already knew that, but thanks for saying it out loud.

The ONLY reason why the Biden Administration is doing anything is because of the poll numbers on the issue. Even the Hispanics have turned on the Democrats here.

That’s what for life politicians do. Things to stay in office. It’s a job security thing for em.

 

[AbominableJoman]

White supremacy at its finest

 

[Fluffernutter]

Both have elections this year.


Lots a d lots of elections this year.

USA
Mexico
India
Indonesia
Taiwan

Etc.


Lots and lots of promises to be made

Over 50 countries go to the polls in 2024. The year will test even the most robust democracies

More than 50 countries that together have half the world’s population are expecting national elections in 2024.

apnews.com

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I think he should call it something revolutionary to match the new policy. Perhaps, "Remain in Mexico". What do you guys think?


As per NBC, the Biden admin is proposing that:

To bring the numbers down, the Biden administration needs Mexico to let it push more non-Mexican immigrants back across the U.S. southern border, as the U.S. was able to do through early 2023.

During the Covid pandemic, the Trump and Biden administrations used a public health order known as Title 42 to push migrants back into Mexico without an asylum screening. During that policy, which ended in May, Mexico took back migrants over 1 million times each year for three years.

However, the Mexican president is asking for a lot in return that basically is a eff you to Biden, likely because he has no respect for Biden and his admin.

In a press conference on Friday, López Obrador called on the U.S. to approve a plan that would deploy $20 billion to Latin American and Caribbean countries, suspend the U.S. blockade of Cuba, remove all sanctions against Venezuela and grant at least 10 million Hispanics living in the U.S. the right to remain and work legally.

That Mexican President must be a friend of Hunter's. He must have been smoking crack when he came up with that wish list.

 

[lifelessheap]

Mexico knows that it's got Biden in a tough spot. He can't put people on their side of the border without some kind of agreement. But Mexico knows that the GOP is going to hammer him on anything that he does. If he makes a deal, the GOP will say he got taken advantage of. If he doesn't make a deal, they'll say he doesn't want to do anything.

It's a lose-lose. So, Mexico is free to ask for the fucking moon and Biden can't accept it or reject it without the GOP weaponizing it against him. Made worse because it's an election year.

Or Biden could not have organized, advertised and facilitated an INVASION.

 

[Whippy McGee]

The new polls coming out showing this is a top concern of Hispanics in the U.S.A. and they are not on the Democrats side, which is a big shift. So finally, because an election needs to be won, Democrats will address it. Just know, if they win, once the election is over, it will be back to Mayorkas lying to congress and playing the idiot that knows nothing as millions more pour in.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Well, both solutions would need to pass congress. Both are pretty dumb tho. Since they could significantly stop the flow into the US easily, if they shut the gates and stopped processing people and actually enforced it. Instead this admin removes barriers, keeps the gates open, etc.

This solution is just paying off latin countries. The other is throwing money at processing people quicker and having more money to house and feed them, which doesn't provide a solution either.

The solution is to enforce the border, don't pay mexico anything, and just let them deal with the build up of people at the border. Once they have to deal with that, they will enforce their southern border. It is pretty simple.

Part of the solution should be aid to these countries tied to fighting corruption and promoting democracy. That's probably the cheapest way to remove the incentive a lot of these people have in making the journey here through Mexico.

I know we have to go through the process of determining who meets the criteria of being accepted but if the backlog is so long spending money on more resources for that system might also pay for itself. If we could set up some type of border tent cities to house these people for a short period, on either side of the border, it would keep our states from being overburdened.

 

[Mr Holmes]

All of the leftwing sher-lawyers have already informed me there's nothing that can be done about these bogus asylum claims though.

 

[Natural Order]

We're not playing a game. We're drawing the distinction between reality and fantasy.

For example, "if you feel oppressed come to America" isn't a Biden message. It's the message on the fucking Statute of Liberty, lol.

If that's your idea of Biden specific illegal immigrant messaging, I don't know what to say, lol.

I know where it comes from. It's why America is in a state of social chaos. And I didn't say Biden specific, you did.

And I don't know how much more "reality" you need than it being the top two issues on national polling. lol.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

When you see the sheer scale of the invasion, the idea that a wall wouldn't be effective is just ludicrous lmao. Millions of people aren't getting in through a tunnel. They're just walking across.

A wall would cut the tide down to a trickle.

 

[Scheme]

Part of the solution should be aid to these countries tied to fighting corruption and promoting democracy. That's probably the cheapest way to remove the incentive a lot of these people have in making the journey here through Mexico.

I know we have to go through the process of determining who meets the criteria of being accepted but if the backlog is so long spending money on more resources for that system might also pay for itself. If we could set up some type of border tent cities to house these people for a short period, on either side of the border, it would keep our states from being overburdened.

The cheapest way would be to cut all entitlements and job opportunities for illegal immigrants and strictly patrol the border. Maybe bring home our army and resources to protect our border rather than Ukraine's or other country's. Once people realize there is no incentive to coming here and that it is difficult to, then they will stop coming here.

And sending money to corrupt countries works so well every time we do it.

 

[Rod1]

It sounds like Trump's policy for what Biden wants done, the problem is Biden is not respected, so the Mexican president is demanding a lot.

Trump literally released a narco-general and basically gave Mexican government the greenlight to move as much drug as they want.

 

[koquerelle]

Biden seizes on tougher border measures as he tries to fend off Trump attacks​

President Joe Biden is embracing tougher border measures, including shutting down the US-Mexico border, marking a stark shift from his early days in office as he tries to fend off former President Donald Trump’s attacks on immigration policy ahead of the election.

Hours after House Speaker Mike Johnson warned on Friday that the emerging border deal in the Senate is “dead on arrival,” Biden offered this message to House Republicans: “Securing the border through these negotiations is a win for America. For everyone who is demanding tougher border control, this is the way to do it. If you’re serious about the border crisis, pass a bipartisan bill and I will sign it.”

Biden took office pledging to restore asylum and manage the border in a “humane” way. But his administration has faced the harsh realities and challenges at the US-Mexico border amid record migration across the Western Hemisphere — making it a political vulnerability seized on by Republicans.


In recent weeks, Trump has lobbied Republicans to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate because he wants to campaign on the issue this November.

Over the course of his administration, Biden has leaned on more restrictive measures to try to stem the flow of migration, but Friday’s statement revealed a tougher stance as the president tries to control an issue that’s dogged him, while risking putting him at odds with some allies.

“(The compromise) would give me, as President, a new emergency authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed. And if given that authority, I would use it the day I sign the bill into law,” Biden’s statement said.

Biden’s embrace of an authority that would allow him to shut down the border in the event of a migrant surge was striking to current and former administration officials, as well as to immigrant advocates.

Johnson on Saturday attacked Biden over his endorsement of the potential border deal, arguing the president can take executive action without Congress to clamp down on migrant crossings.

And in his first statement on the Senate deal, Johnson claimed that it would force the US to surrender to illegal migration. “According to reports, the Senate’s pending proposal would expressly allow as many as 150,000 illegal crossings each month (1.8 million per year) before any new ‘shutdown’ authority could be used. At that point, America will have already been surrendered,” Johnson said in the statement.

A source familiar with the Senate deal, however, said Johnson is providing a false interpretation of the proposal. The source said that once border crossings reach a level requiring the Department of Homeland Security to take emergency measures, federal authorities would be required to significantly restrict illegal border crossings until the US sees fewer than 2,000 migrants approach the border per day over a two-week span.

Under the soon-to-be-released package, the Department of Homeland Security would be granted new emergency authority to shut down the border if daily average migrants crossing unlawfully reach 4,000 over a one-week span. Certain migrants would be allowed to stay if they proved to be fleeing torture or persecution in their countries.

The details remain unclear. But the authority is reminiscent of a Covid-era border restriction invoked by Trump in 2020 that allowed authorities to turn migrants away at the border. It resulted in more repeat border crossers and still placed a strain on the immigration system.

Current and former Homeland Security officials have raised alarm over the deal, casting doubt over the effectiveness of the authority to shut down the border.

It’s impossible to close the border to asylum seekers because of current law, despite multiple attempts by Trump to do so while he was in office.

One former Biden official said Biden’s Friday statement “made sense politically to put down a marker now that Johnson said no.”

Officials are concerned that the new emergency authority would come with the same headaches that accompanied Title 42, a Covid-era restriction.

Title 42, a public health authority invoked by Trump during the pandemic, allowed authorities to turn migrants encountered at the US-Mexico border back to Mexico or their origin country.

But authorities still contended with a high number of border crossings, and thousands of people gathered in northern Mexico waiting to cross.

While Title 42 was in place, officials also grappled with a jump in repeat crossers because there was little in the way of legal consequences or buy-in from Mexico, where thousands of migrants were pushed back.

Immigrant advocates quickly slammed Biden over his statement — revealing the deepening rift between the president and the advocacy community.

For weeks, immigrant advocates and progressives fretted about the parameters of a border deal that includes punitive measures for migrants crossing the US-Mexico border, including those seeking asylum, and raised alarm over White House concessions in the ongoing talks.

Migrants take part in a caravan toward the border with the United States in Chiapas State, Mexico, on January 8, 2024.

Robyn Barnard, senior director of refugee advocacy for Human Rights First, called the situation disappointing.

“This president is laying bare his callous disregard for and willingness to play politics with the lives of Black and brown migrants, many of whom come to our Southern border in order to exercise their legal right to seek asylum,” Barnard said.

“If he listened to any of the immigration experts in his administration, he would know that these proposals — shutting down the border, expelling migrants, making it harder to access asylum protection — are not ‘fair’ and will not ‘secure the border,’ they will however cause chaos and human suffering,” she added.

Kerri Talbot, executive director at Immigration Hub, decried the politicization of the border.

“I hope that the leaders of both parties can step back and think through real solutions that would lead to a controlled border,” she told CNN. “Shutting down the border has never been possible. What is possible is a well-resourced secure and humane border if Congress would pass the necessary funds.”

Earlier in the week, Democratic Sen. Alex Padilla of California warned of progressive backlash against the administration over the potential immigration deal.

“There’s the substance and there’s the process. The frustration about the process is, frankly, the lack of transparency. It’s been months now and there’s still no language, no text floating around to be able to review and say, ‘I agree with this’ or ‘I don’t agree with that,’” Padilla told CNN’s Manu Raju.

“Returning to Trump’s playbook, you know, Trump’s greatest hits when it comes to border security is not the answer to the problem.”

This story has been updated with new reporting.

CNN’s Manu Raju contributed to this report.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/27/politics/biden-border-shut-down-us-mexico-immigration/index.html
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A picture of an immigrant caravan? Impossible. They're a Republican invention and don't exist.

 

[koquerelle]

When was that their message?

No disrespect to you but I get tired of people saying that without putting forward the quotes. So, do me the favor of linking to the speech or message or whatever where Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or whomever says "send us everybody" or whatever it is they said that conveys the same message.

followed later by don't come
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/joe-biden-migrant-children-border-immigration/index.html

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Well, both solutions would need to pass congress. Both are pretty dumb tho. Since they could significantly stop the flow into the US easily, if they shut the gates and stopped processing people and actually enforced it. Instead this admin removes barriers, keeps the gates open, etc.

This solution is just paying off latin countries. The other is throwing money at processing people quicker and having more money to house and feed them, which doesn't provide a solution either.

The solution is to enforce the border, don't pay mexico anything, and just let them deal with the build up of people at the border. Once they have to deal with that, they will enforce their southern border. It is pretty simple.

The liberal solution to every problem: throw money at it.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Here's the fix - Stop giving people free welfare, health care and making it possible to live a comfortable life being undocumented AND help people that actually want to come here legally a better way to come in.

People typically don't want to leave the place they are born. For Mexicans, it's literally 3-4x times the wages they can make in their own country and since America is so catering to Spanish speakers, it's really not much different than living at home. Why would you NOT want to come to America?

Since we literally share the same land as Mexico, we should be doing everything we can to work with their country and help their government to make them prosper and successful. If you do that, you won't have an influx of immigrants. Imagine if you could build up Mexico to be America #2 with virtually the same wages, infrastructure, etc. That only helps everyone.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

followed later by don't come
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/joe-biden-migrant-children-border-immigration/index.html

Careful, that guy pretends to be a lawyer. He might respond with a very long post that you won’t read

 

[James Eagle]

Careful, that guy pretends to be a lawyer. He might respond with a very long post that you won’t read

don't forget conservative

I have 2 lawyers I use. If they spent as much time on this forum as he does, I'd have 2 new lawyers

 

[Islam Imamate]

When was that their message?

No disrespect to you but I get tired of people saying that without putting forward the quotes. So, do me the favor of linking to the speech or message or whatever where Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or whomever says "send us everybody" or whatever it is they said that conveys the same message.

I also think people exaggerate the effect that his rhetoric had. Its true that on some level it mattered since Trump was willing to separate families for the purpose of discouraging migration so having a new POTUS who rolls back some of those unethical measures is going to make migration here more attractive.

But at the end of the day whats driving the flow is widespread instability in the region especially with the collapse of Haiti and Venezuela. Its not like the 2000s when most of the immigrants were from Mexico or the Golden Triangle.