Better fighter losing due to overlooking

[BowserJr]

Soak a jew vs Arona and Lil Nog

 

[BowserJr]

Gonzaga had 16 fights between the Cro Cop fights, Mirko had 15. And I'm pretty sure they both got older by pretty much the same amount of years.

Crocop has like triple the fights and is 5yrs older. GG was 36 and CC was 41 in the rematch. If CC didn't lose the 1st time due to overlooking him how would he win in a rematch when by every metric GG has the advantage?

 

[moreorless87]

Soak a jew vs Arona and Lil Nog

Although I think Rogerio realy was more just a blind punch which happened to land wrist to chin perfectly and Arona I think took him seriously, Soko just gave the performance of his career there with that insane hoping takedown defence, if Arona got him down it was probably over going from what we saw latter.

 

[Trabaho]

Than they weren´t better that night. >The other guy was more mentaly fit.

Also Werdum better than Stipe ?

 

[jeff7b9]

I think the “ overlooked” excuses is one of the dumbest things in MMA.

I’d say Mir vs Brock 1 would be a better example than Mir vs Brock 2

Agree. And I don't think you get that outcome without Mazagatti doing some objectively horrible referee interference.

That is probably the only case where a "back of the head strike" resulted in an immediate referee intervention and stand-up.

Carwin punched Mir in the back of the head like 42 times and wasn't stopped from doing so even when he was clearly just wiping the hard drive clear on a man who had been unconscious for quite a while.

 

[BowserJr]

The Werdum vs JDS fight always stuck out to me as a prime example of overlooking your opponent. Werdum is on the cusp of a title shot and the JDS fight was supposed to be a keep busy fight while JDS was an unknown at that time and didn't even have a Wikipedia page.

This was the time when the "new breed" of super heavyweight were all the rage, like Brock and Carwin. To prepare for a potential fight against Brock, Werdum decided to bulk up going into the JDS fight. He was also a -600 favorite I believe. JDS then proceeded to knock his fat ass out and kicked off an incredible run to the title

That's a great one!

IIRC he would've faced Brock since Randy lost the belt to him 1 month after this. If JDS wasn't overlooked Werdum likely wins this but then loses a rematch when JDS i.proved even more

IMO Werdum wins then faces Mir, Carwin, Cain, then JDS... probably loses to JDS like Cain did. That's when JDS was at his absolute peak.

 

[Skarsgard]

Keith Jardine x Houston Alexander

Jardine was coming from a victory over Forrest Griffin, so he thought debuting Houston Alexander was a step down in competition.

Also, in the recent times, Mayra Bueno Silva x Raquel Pennington

MBS was overhyped since she was coming off a submission (later nc) win over the corpse of Holly Holm.
She clearly overlooked journeyman Pennington and lost the once in life opportunity of being a (paper) champion.

Houston also landed a massive illegal knee that no one ever seems to bring up. Should have been a no contest.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Some of your selections are ridiculous. Weidman was trained from the beginning of his career to be a Spider killer. Anderson had nothing for him.

Stipe is the greatest UFC HW of all time. He didn't beat the "better fighter"

 

[markg171]

I'm saying that Cro Cop lost to Gonzaga by Gonzaga beating him by being better than him (in that particular fight).

Feel free to make further excuses.

Swear Sherdog tries to completely memory hole that CC/Gonzaga 2 went exactly the same as the first fight with Gonzaga taking CC down and badly beating the shit out of him on the ground for the majority of the fight. Gonzaga was up 20-17 and had nearly finished CC multiple times. CC was losing the 3rd too and then won the rematch entirely in the very last 10 seconds of the fight when CC landed an elbow standing that hurt Gonzaga and finished him seconds later.

It wasn't at all some brand new CC like Sherdog tries to pretend. Gonzaga was again beating the shit out of him. CC is not a better fighter than Gonzaga. Better career yes, but their fights made clear that Gonzaga is a bad matchup for him. He dominated him for 99% of their 2 fights.

The rematch if anything was the fluke.

 

[Poatan]

McGregor vs Diaz 1

 

[JKS]

I think Reem had that streak of Bigfoot, Browne and Rothwell where he was winning those fights and blew it by being careless.

 

[BowserJr]

Swear Sherdog tries to completely memory hole that CC/Gonzaga 2 went exactly the same as the first fight with Gonzaga taking CC down and badly beating the shit out of him on the ground for the majority of the fight. Gonzaga was up 20-17 and had nearly finished CC multiple times. CC was losing the 3rd too and then won the rematch entirely in the very last 10 seconds of the fight when CC landed an elbow standing that hurt Gonzaga and finished him seconds later.

It wasn't at all some brand new CC like Sherdog tries to pretend. Gonzaga was again beating the shit out of him. CC is not a better fighter than Gonzaga. Better career yes, but their fights made clear that Gonzaga is a bad matchup for him. He dominated him for 99% of their 2 fights.

The rematch if anything was the fluke.

That last line is a dead giveaway that what you're saying is nonsense. The elbow was nothing like a wild punch, a random never seen blow or accidental.... and again crocop was 41 and GG was 36. Prime of life vs old That's huge in the fight game.

Most importantly CC had 76 pro fights at that point compared to 25 for GG.

The revisionists on sherdog love to pretend age and fight mileage means nothing LOL

 

[jko1355]

do people still try to justify that cro crop gonzaga thing as overlooking?

i just think he got taken down, hit with elbows that stunned him a bit, and then got knocked out

Crocop could not fight with drug tests its a simple fact... amazing career before and after drug testing like 3 and 7 with tests

 

[Necrocrawler]

That last line is a dead giveaway that what you're saying is nonsense. The elbow was nothing like a wild punch, a random never seen blow or accidental.... and again crocop was 41 and GG was 36. Prime of life vs old That's huge in the fight game.

Most importantly CC had 76 pro fights at that point compared to 25 for GG.

The revisionists on sherdog love to pretend age and fight mileage means nothing LOL

Both were pretty out of their primes...
Also, Cro cop went to fight 7 times after that bout, winning a rizin GP in the process, while Napao fought 3 times, going 1-2 and retiring at the age of 38 (i believe)

Also, i reviwed sherdog's play by play and they had a 10-8 round for Gonzaga at the second round. Mirko was really getting busted up till he managed the comeback at the third.

 

[Oldman1]

Examples of fights were the better fighters lost cuz he overlooked and underestimated his opponent.

Cro cop v Gonzaga (literally won the rematch while more shop worn/old)

Reem v Big Foot
Crocop v Randleman
Werdum v Stipe
Rockhold v Bisping 2
Silva v Weidman
Shogun v Forrest
Hendo v Misaki 2
Hendo v Sheilds
Mir v Brock 2
GSP v Serra
Rampage v Forrest

Shogun lost fair and square

 

[BowserJr]

Shogun lost fair and square

All of them were fair and square

We also saw shogun utterly destroy Forrest despite being well over the hill with the biggest difference being he wasn't fighting with an active CL tear that happened weeks prior preventing proper training and cardio

 

[markg171]

That last line is a dead giveaway that what you're saying is nonsense. The elbow was nothing like a wild punch, a random never seen blow or accidental.... and again crocop was 41 and GG was 36. Prime of life vs old That's huge in the fight game.

Most importantly CC had 76 pro fights at that point compared to 25 for GG.

The revisionists on sherdog love to pretend age and fight mileage means nothing LOL

Gonzaga has won 99% of their 2 fights apart 1 CC elbow that turned around the rematch that he was just as badly losing as the first fight.

No I'm not going to let Sherdoggers pretend like CC winning wasn’t flukey. It’s silly to pretend otherwise when we’ve got 25 minutes of them fighting and Gonzaga has badly dominated 24:50 of it. He’s overwhelmingly proven he’s simply a bad matchup to CC.

 

[markg171]

Shogun lost fair and square

All of them were fair and square

We also saw shogun utterly destroy Forrest despite being well over the hill with the biggest difference being he wasn't fighting with an active CL tear that happened weeks prior preventing proper training and cardio

Well over the hill? Lmao it was literally Shogun's first fight post Jones.

Sherdoggers will cry to high heaven about Shogun's knee injuries but will for "some reason" never mention Forrest's much worse shoulder injuries:

Forrest has had a majorly damaged shoulder for quite a long while. The injuries to his shoulder even before his fight with Shogun were exhaustive. You have never heard of it because Forrest never mentions his injuries, whether he has won or lost, after his fights. This surgery was a long time in coming. Everyone felt it was in his best interest to have the surgery now before fighting another top tier fighter. He basically fought Shogun with one arm. Trust me, Forrest wanted to fight Silva in December but that was not to be.

Report: Forrest Griffin to have shoulder surgery

Light heavyweight contender Forrest Griffin will undergo surgery to repair an injured shoulder, according to a comment on the Underground Forum from former contestant on The Ultimate Fighter...

www.mmamania.com

It would be a reoccurring injury for the rest of his life. The dude says he can barely brush his teeth his shoulder's so bad.

 

[joy2day]

Pena/Nunes does seem like one of the best examples of this, Nunes looked like she basically wanted to blow Pena away in the first fight, probably because she was expected to and tried to walk though too much offence.

I don't know that is the best representation of what the thread is asking about though. Amanda was not physically well in that fight and had medical issues leading up to it. She didn't actually tap out to Pena's offense; she quit because her body gave out. In other words, it was more the timing of the fight than the fact that Amanda overlooked her. Unless of course we were to say Amanda only took the fight while diminished because Pena was a perceived easy opponent, but I don't think we know that to be true.

I think GSP/Serra looks like the best example, as GSP really came in unfocused despite his far greater physical prowess. He worked with a sports psychologist after that fight, and it seems to have benefitted the rest of his career. He was always laser focused on his particular opponent after that; he never took anyone else lightly.

 

[bng]

cm punk vs. mickey mouse
cm punk vs. dont remember guys name wont google sorry bro